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Post by donners on Jan 5, 2010 23:20:00 GMT -5
Hogan, Jarrett, the writers, bookers know exactly what they're doing. Who says that a face has to be a face to all the faces and a heel a heel to all the heels. In this case Hall and nash are a heel to Hogan and Hogan is a heel to Jarrett. This makes for much more compelling storylines w/ a deeper sense of realism. This is not The Sopranos. There is a crowd there to cheer or boo certain people, and casual viewers are not going to spend time puzzling out everyone's alliances. Having shocked silence, then bulls*** chants at somebody they were cheering an hour ago, does not come off well at all.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Jan 5, 2010 23:24:49 GMT -5
And, it will be MUCH easier to sell Hogan as a heel in the Impact Zone. Many or most TNA wrestling fans are familiar with the demise of WCW and as a result will be suspicious of Hogan from the outset. They want to like Jarrett much more than they want to like Hogan. Why Hogan? Jarrett was a crappy/unentertaining champion, and Russo was a horrible booker.
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Post by jalen on Jan 5, 2010 23:27:43 GMT -5
Didn't Hogan basically say the same message to the "nWo" prior to that (i.e. everyone has to earn their spot, can't live off the past, etc, etc)? He may have been harsher with Jarrett, and coming off a babyface promo by JJ it seemed heelish from Hogan, but it's probably more of the "tough authority figure" character rather than Hogan "shooting" on Jarrett or whatever the rumor is.
Hogan came out after the AJ/Angle match and got cheered again, so I think he is more of a tweener who doesn't side with either faces or heels. By going that route it adds more suspense to Hogan's true intentions with the company, as the storyline seems to be "is Hulk going to join his buddies to kill TNA or is he looking out for TNA's future".
I don't know where they are going with this, which is a good thing. I don't think even the Impact fans would choose Jarrett over Hogan long-term, unless they have really short memories (Jarrett's reign of terror many years ago). Even if Hulk decides to turn he has a built in storyline already there for him (nWo reunion). Who knows. I think Hogan will stay a face at this point though.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jan 5, 2010 23:35:40 GMT -5
My main question is why NOT make the Hulkster a heel? I mean honestly, he got booed in the iMPACT Zone, he came out in all black, and he had a shitty rip off of the nWo music. It kinda fits, especially if he's doing things with Jarrett.
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Post by KingPopper on Jan 5, 2010 23:38:15 GMT -5
The end of the show didnt help either, it seemed like Hogan was happy with the outsiders attacking Foley. At least when I first watched it.
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Post by comahan on Jan 5, 2010 23:38:58 GMT -5
The end of the show didnt help either, it seemed like Hogan was happy with the outsiders attacking Foley. At least when I first watched it. Ha, seemed the opposite to me
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Post by jalen on Jan 5, 2010 23:48:27 GMT -5
My main question is why NOT make the Hulkster a heel? I mean honestly, he got booed in the iMPACT Zone, he came out in all black, and he had a s***ty rip off of the nWo music. It kinda fits, especially if he's doing things with Jarrett. When he first came out and all throughout his first promo with Bischoff, he probably got the biggest cheers of anyone who has ever entered the Impact Zone. Then he came out at the end and got cheered again (granted he was praising Angle and Styles so they were going to cheer him regardless). He only got booed after what he said to Jarrett after JJ's babyface promo, which is surprising (anyone cheering JJ over Hulk is twilight zone material) but given the stuff Jarrett was saying I guess it made sense. But yeah, Hogan is in a good spot. He can play the babyface role perfectly, but if he gets the slightest hint that the Impact Zone is turning on him, he has a ready made storyline to turn him heel.
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Post by cometfan1 on Jan 6, 2010 0:04:45 GMT -5
My only problem is that If Hogan says Jarrett has to prove himself, then Hogan better get in the ring and show us he can still "Cut it"against the young guys. I believe Jarrett will be fine ring wise, but can Hogan hang with A.J., Angle or Daniels. Hogan may get stomped by Joe. Hogan needs to prove himself before he runs his mouth.
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Post by Rick Mad on Jan 6, 2010 0:06:42 GMT -5
Eh, Hogan isn't trying to be an in ring competitor. He's trying to run the show, and he's basically saying that Jarrett, Foley, etc. AREN'T running the show anymore and if they want to be a part of TNA they're gonna have to be wrestlers. Its kinda different.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jan 6, 2010 3:41:47 GMT -5
Hogan, Jarrett, the writers, bookers know exactly what they're doing. Who says that a face has to be a face to all the faces and a heel a heel to all the heels. In this case Hall and nash are a heel to Hogan and Hogan is a heel to Jarrett. This makes for much more compelling storylines w/ a deeper sense of realism. I honestly just think they f***ed up. I really hope they turn Hogan heel. He just doesn't come off good as a face anymore. This isn't 1985.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jan 7, 2010 22:03:16 GMT -5
i though hogan was supposed to be a face?
is hogan supposed to be heel?
he burried Jarrett and then got his cronies to beat up ultra face mick foley, i dont get it
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Jan 7, 2010 22:32:03 GMT -5
We in TNA think that you the audience are quite frankly tired of having your intelligence insulted. We also think that you are tried of the same old simplistic theory of "good guys vs bad guys". Surely the era of the superhero who urges you to say your prayers and take your vitamins is definitely passe.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 7, 2010 23:01:42 GMT -5
Honestly, looking back on the "Planet Jarrett" era, I really don't think it did that much damage to TNA. Did it help it? No, but I don't know what could have at the time.
PS - they did some epic editing to the Hogan/Jarrett segment on the replay tonight. no more jeers or "bullsh*t" chants.
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Post by Lionheart on Jan 7, 2010 23:13:18 GMT -5
PS - they did some epic editing to the Hogan/Jarrett segment on the replay tonight. no more jeers or "bullsh*t" chants. LOLerskates. What have we learned about live shows, TNA?
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Post by chipsgravy on Jan 8, 2010 16:54:53 GMT -5
Maybe I'm too much of a TNA mark. But from the moment Hogan turned up unshaven and dressed in black, I thought, Oh he's playing the heel role. Nothing throughout the show disuaded me from that viewpoint. He let his buddies in. He turned on JJ and Foley. He's meant to be face? Really? Wow!
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Post by mauled on Jan 8, 2010 17:05:55 GMT -5
A different story now... - WrestlingObserver That's pretty inept from Hogan if he thinks burying Jarrett and the company will help him. 2003-2005, maybe. Not now. "Out-face" him? You have got to be kidding me. What kind of booking is this??? Hulk Hogan booking 1 o1Always make sure you are going to be the most cheered thing going as you can then say and do want you want to any other star and not get booed besides your ego might not take any other reaction
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Post by ICBM on Jan 8, 2010 20:06:01 GMT -5
Guys mistakes as eluded to in the original post can and will happen. HBK's responses to some of Bret Hart's promos during the Canadian/US angle stole heat and required some retooling of the next step in the angle. These things happen. I dunno if that is what happened here because it is subjective and none of us work for TNA so the truth will not be known. I just think it is plausible that JJ just forgot some things and Hogan maybe just came off wrong too. Lets see where they go next time and check if a pattern develops
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Post by thelesserevil on Jan 8, 2010 20:16:38 GMT -5
From what I gather Jarrett is the heel, at the last taping Jarrett said the young guys have no talent and TNA has always been about him.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Jan 8, 2010 20:39:45 GMT -5
i though hogan was supposed to be a face? is hogan supposed to be heel? he burried Jarrett and then got his cronies to beat up ultra face mick foley, i dont get it The way I saw it was.... Hogan came out as face, and confront heel nWo, he then brought out face Bischoff and further distanced himself from the heel nWo. Later, face Jarrett came out and cut a face promo, before being interupted and torn down by face Hogan, who then got booed. Later still, face Mick Foley goes to see face Bischoff, who then gets the heel nWo to beat down face Foley. Face Hogan then comes in, and it is unclear whether he is pleased or displeased. Now, I'm not going to shit on angles when they're a show old, but that makes my head hurt. It feels like whoever wrote it had just watched the Monday Night Wars DVD and really took the 'Viewers were confused, yet interested' line to heart.
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Post by Rick Mad on Jan 8, 2010 21:10:04 GMT -5
Honestly, looking back on the "Planet Jarrett" era, I really don't think it did that much damage to TNA. Did it help it? No, but I don't know what could have at the time. PS - they did some epic editing to the Hogan/Jarrett segment on the replay tonight. no more jeers or "bullsh*t" chants. I honestly disagree about the Planet Jarrett thing - I think he helped TNA a great deal back then. I know I personally bought a few PPVs hoping that he'd lose the belt. To Styles, to DDP, to Christian, to anyone. I think Jarrett probably drew in that era more than people realize.
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