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Post by donners on Jan 8, 2010 21:59:19 GMT -5
From what I gather Jarrett is the heel, at the last taping Jarrett said the young guys have no talent and TNA has always been about him. Geez, I hope they have a good reason for him doing a complete 180 from the live show.
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on Jan 8, 2010 22:38:04 GMT -5
Honestly, looking back on the "Planet Jarrett" era, I really don't think it did that much damage to TNA. Did it help it? No, but I don't know what could have at the time. PS - they did some epic editing to the Hogan/Jarrett segment on the replay tonight. no more jeers or "bullsh*t" chants. I honestly disagree about the Planet Jarrett thing - I think he helped TNA a great deal back then. I know I personally bought a few PPVs hoping that he'd lose the belt. To Styles, to DDP, to Christian, to anyone. I think Jarrett probably drew in that era more than people realize. And I would read the results, read that Double-J retained yet again with a guitar shot to the head, shake my head and not watch for another month or two. So who knows what the overall impact was.
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Post by donners on Jan 9, 2010 5:34:43 GMT -5
I think Jarrett did a lot of damage in the 30 April 2003 match against Raven. As I understand it, that was the most-bought weekly PPV ever, and for all those people to see Jarrett kick out of an attack from no less than four ECW veterans, including a concharito superkick, two death valley drivers and followed by Evenflow DDT, made people pretty cynical about his title runs.
Styles was particularly made to look bad against him in subsequent title defences. Watching the Jarrett DVD, it's an appalling run of title matches.
From 2006, though, I think he's had a lot to offer.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 9, 2010 7:43:01 GMT -5
From what I gather Jarrett is the heel, at the last taping Jarrett said the young guys have no talent and TNA has always been about him. Geez, I hope they have a good reason for him doing a complete 180 from the live show. They do - Hogan says so. Expect Jarrett to be just one step short of Oilcan Harry these days, practically twirling an evil moustache, so not as to let Hogan look at all bad again.
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Post by ICBM on Jan 9, 2010 14:42:53 GMT -5
I honestly disagree about the Planet Jarrett thing - I think he helped TNA a great deal back then. I know I personally bought a few PPVs hoping that he'd lose the belt. To Styles, to DDP, to Christian, to anyone. I think Jarrett probably drew in that era more than people realize. And I would read the results, read that Double-J retained yet again with a guitar shot to the head, shake my head and not watch for another month or two. So who knows what the overall impact was. This has kept alot of people from tna for years because they believe he still does this
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jan 9, 2010 15:11:05 GMT -5
And I would read the results, read that Double-J retained yet again with a guitar shot to the head, shake my head and not watch for another month or two. So who knows what the overall impact was. This has kept alot of people from tna for years because they believe he still does this I was watching Impact with someone who had watched before. He liked most of what he saw, especially Jay Lethal, and then Jarrett showed and he groined, saying he's still there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2010 15:22:12 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out who told Jarrett that he should be World Champ. That is mind blowing to me, that guy is a mid-carder at best.
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Post by Pounder on Jan 9, 2010 16:33:36 GMT -5
Watching Impact as I did, the Jarrett promo at the time and in retrospect, seemed one of someon desperate to get face-heat from the crowd.
If he was supposed to heel, or at the VERY least, tween, then he failed. Miserably.
I cannot believe he didn't deliberately fluff his lines so as to score an ego point over Hogan. He knew what the Hogan promo would say, so rather than bury the contribution of everyone except himself in the 'TNA story', which WOULD have got heat, he deliberately came across as Mr Nice.
It was quite a blatantly unprofessional thing for Double J to do, whatever one's feelings on Hulk Hogan may be. When you've been given instruction to get heat, you don't do THAT. Completely unacceptable behaviour.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 9, 2010 21:14:54 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out who told Jarrett that he should be World Champ. That is mind blowing to me, that guy is a mid-carder at best. First, think about the roster at the time. He was the only former world champ of one of the big 2 on the roster. You forget, Jarrett wasn't the first to put a world title on his waist. He wasn't even the second. He held the WCW title several times and followed that up with a WWA run if I am not mistaken. Granted, it would have been better for the whole Planet Jarrett thing to have built up somebody as a new top star as the flagship star of the brand. AJ, Raven, or Monty could have all been special if Jarrett had done things right. Instead, he put TNA in a position that Dixie Carter was brought in. Sure, the fact that TNA was being funded with something other than Monopoly money really helped, but he could have found himself in a much better position if he had not made the classic mistakes of most promoter/talents.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jan 9, 2010 21:45:40 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out who told Jarrett that he should be World Champ. That is mind blowing to me, that guy is a mid-carder at best. First, think about the roster at the time. He was the only former world champ of one of the big 2 on the roster. You forget, Jarrett wasn't the first to put a world title on his waist. He wasn't even the second. He held the WCW title several times and followed that up with a WWA run if I am not mistaken. Granted, it would have been better for the whole Planet Jarrett thing to have built up somebody as a new top star as the flagship star of the brand. AJ, Raven, or Monty could have all been special if Jarrett had done things right. Instead, he put TNA in a position that Dixie Carter was brought in. Sure, the fact that TNA was being funded with something other than Monopoly money really helped, but he could have found himself in a much better position if he had not made the classic mistakes of most promoter/talents. He wasn't World Champion material, whether in WCW or in NWA-TNA. You're mixing up years. Dixie was brought in during the Weekly PPV era and bought it a few months after that. It wasn't just Planet Jarrett, preceeding that was Kings of Wrestling with Nash and Hall, that took over time. To say he could have done things better is a real understatement.
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Post by ICBM on Jan 9, 2010 22:07:07 GMT -5
I understand that JJ was all they had but a heel champion builds babyface stars to replace him. JJ just held onto the belt. It's another reason i was so stoked when Angle came in because I knew JJ'd have to give it up. Sadly we ended up with the same thing only with Angle as JJ for a year or so but TNA moved past JJ and it was a good thing.
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Post by comahan on Jan 10, 2010 4:41:45 GMT -5
Vince Russo is answering questions on his Facebook, and this was brought up;
Mohammed Maaz Mohiuddin: I've read conflicting reports on several websites about that Jeff Jarrett/Hogan segment from the Jan 4 Impact. Some sites say that everything went right, but some sites say that Jeff Jarrett was actually supposed to be a little more cocky in his delivery but he ended up playing to the fans' cheers, and that caused Hogan to be booed. Which story is right here?
Vince Russo: Let's just say--didn't go as "scripted".
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Post by mauled on Jan 10, 2010 6:30:03 GMT -5
Vince Russo is answering questions on his Facebook, and this was brought up; Mohammed Maaz Mohiuddin: I've read conflicting reports on several websites about that Jeff Jarrett/Hogan segment from the Jan 4 Impact. Some sites say that everything went right, but some sites say that Jeff Jarrett was actually supposed to be a little more cocky in his delivery but he ended up playing to the fans' cheers, and that caused Hogan to be booed. Which story is right here? Vince Russo: Let's just say--didn't go as "scripted". LOL So I can guess in the next few weeks we are gonna see Jarret eat babies, Join the Taliban, Tie women to train tracks and praise the talents off Vince Russo and Eric Bishoff and pretty much any evil thing you can think off because God forbid somone is cheered over Hogan. Now I am not really a fan of Double J the man was born in the mid-card he lives in the mid-card and will probably die in the mid-card and that 4 disk DVD dedicated to was beyond a joke while a guy like Angle only has one with a few Samoa Joe matches on it. But inspite off all that I really hope at the next show Hogan and his conmen are booed to high heaven cause watching this train wreck in slow motion of him putting himself over at TNA's expense (And having them pay him to do it ) just seems wrong on so many levels
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Post by shamana on Jan 10, 2010 8:42:59 GMT -5
I think TNA could still get the ball and roll with it. Hogan mentioned something like wanting to be in Vince McMahon's role on TV, and for the life of me I'm not sure if Vince is a face or hell atm. Why not have Hogan be somewhat of a tweener, and give him as a gimmick the egotistical, political ...hole that people on internet tend to find him ?
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Jan 10, 2010 11:22:32 GMT -5
I hope Hogan's response to Jarrett's speech was pre-taped. Because if Hogan heard Jarrett deviate from the script and give a face promo -- and still replied the way that he did (which was basically pretending Jarrett gave a heel promo), then Hogan's ability to improvise would leave a lot to be desired.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 10, 2010 13:01:13 GMT -5
Especially given all the mentions Hogan gave in the build-up to this show about how all the scripts were gonna be ditched and how only those that can do promos themselves are worth keeping and so on.
Pretty funny if he then himself stuck 100% to a script regardless of Jarrett's (altered) promo, helping to mess up what they were trying to achieve with that segment.
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Post by Pounder on Jan 10, 2010 15:36:31 GMT -5
Especially given all the mentions Hogan gave in the build-up to this show about how all the scripts were gonna be ditched and how only those that can do promos themselves are worth keeping and so on. Pretty funny if he then himself stuck 100% to a script regardless of Jarrett's (altered) promo, helping to mess up what they were trying to achieve with that segment. Well, he knew what he wanted to say and how he wanted to say it. When someone goes totally off message you STILL have to be on message yourself. I think the whole "Hogan tried to 'out-face' JJ story came later when the newz sites realised that the original version wasn't negative enough about Hogan.
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Post by donners on Jan 10, 2010 17:12:49 GMT -5
Well, he knew what he wanted to say and how he wanted to say it. When someone goes totally off message you STILL have to be on message yourself. You can do that by challenging the validity of what the other person said, rather than completely ignoring it.
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Post by Pounder on Jan 10, 2010 17:17:13 GMT -5
Well, he knew what he wanted to say and how he wanted to say it. When someone goes totally off message you STILL have to be on message yourself. You can do that by challenging the validity of what the other person said, rather than completely ignoring it. But the idea was for Jarrett to come off as an ass and for Hogan to put him in his place. How do you put someone who's been perfectly agreeable, in his place? If Hogan just said "well said JJ, but you know, we've all got to work together here and we're all starting from scratch, brother" - EVERYONE would be on his case for it being a wasted segment. And it would have been, completely pointless.
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Post by Maniac Mitch on Jan 10, 2010 18:47:28 GMT -5
My main question is why NOT make the Hulkster a heel? I mean honestly, he got booed in the iMPACT Zone, he came out in all black, and he had a s***ty rip off of the nWo music. It kinda fits, especially if he's doing things with Jarrett. When he first came out and all throughout his first promo with Bischoff, he probably got the biggest cheers of anyone who has ever entered the Impact Zone. Then he came out at the end and got cheered again (granted he was praising Angle and Styles so they were going to cheer him regardless). He only got booed after what he said to Jarrett after JJ's babyface promo, which is surprising (anyone cheering JJ over Hulk is twilight zone material) but given the stuff Jarrett was saying I guess it made sense. But yeah, Hogan is in a good spot. He can play the babyface role perfectly, but if he gets the slightest hint that the Impact Zone is turning on him, he has a ready made storyline to turn him heel. But here's the thing, TNA fans(especially those in the Impact Zone) respect Jeff Jarrett. Even if they don't necessarily agree with his decisions, or his track record. The cat's out of the bag now and it's well known that Jeff Jarrett founded the company and the huge risk he took in doing so. Add to that the sympathy because of Jill's unfortunate passing, and it will be hard to get them to boo him. Especially over Hogan. Whether you like Jeff Jarrett or not(and I'm the answer is "not") it takes serious balls to start a company risking your own money. Significantly more than it takes to sign on with one eight years later when said company has finally gotten to a stable position. Hulk coming in an trashing Jarrett in the Impact Zone came off as Hulk pissing on the person who gave him a company to come in and take over. Those fans aren't going to boo Jeff who is their guy, over the new powers that be. The hardcore TNA fans can be a lot of things: passionate, annoying at times, even scary. But one thing they are to the hilt is loyal. They support their guys, and like or not Jarrett is one of them. I haven't always agreed with the way Jeff has done things. But i respect the guts it took to even attempt what he did.
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