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Post by JMA on Mar 18, 2010 0:42:48 GMT -5
so, just because one wrestler happened to go crazy and kill himself and his family, who's to say that wouldn't happen again due to unprotected blows to the head... No, they might just get addicted to pain killers and die by themselves. Or kill someone else's family. Or kill themselves. This has more benefits than just preventing murder. Good call on the E's part. It's the right thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 0:48:09 GMT -5
It's not just death that's on the line here but quality of life. Remember when Hugh Morrus had his little celebration in the ring in late WCW, where the guys thanked him for being a locker room leader? He was saying how he needed help remembering things, help getting to places because of brain damage. Is it really worth things like that just to see a chair shot?
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Post by Kris Kobain on Mar 18, 2010 0:48:36 GMT -5
There are probably 820,581 professional wrestlers in history who have taken chairshots to the head. And as far as we know, there is one that has murdered his son and wife before committing suicide. If they are using Benoit as an excuse to banning chairshots, they might as well use him to ban flying in a plane or eating at a sushi bar, because it's just as likely that they'll cause a wrestler to go nuts and kill his family. No scientific studies are being done that show the long term affect of concussions. It's not just wrestling. This is why the NFL has rules about head to head colisions. Up until about 5 yeears ago it was believed and accepted that concussions only had a short term affect on the human brain. One of the lead researchers in this study is Christopher Nowinski. For those who don't know who he is. He used to wrestle in the WWE before having to retire due to post concussion syndrome.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 18, 2010 0:50:58 GMT -5
This Monday TNA will counter by Abyss bleeding a gusher after AJ hits him 24 times in the head with a chair. Also it should make for an interesting Chair Match at TLC
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 0:52:37 GMT -5
There are probably 820,581 professional wrestlers in history who have taken chairshots to the head. And as far as we know, there is one that has murdered his son and wife before committing suicide. If they are using Benoit as an excuse to banning chairshots, they might as well use him to ban flying in a plane or eating at a sushi bar, because it's just as likely that they'll cause a wrestler to go nuts and kill his family. One of the lead researchers in this study is Christopher Nowinski. For those who don't know who he is. He used to wrestle in the WWE before having to retire due to post concussion syndrome. Nowinski's concussions effected him so much that he would sleep walk at night. One time, he injured himself badly when he fell down a flight of stairs in his house during a sleepwalking episode. Again, why risk things like that when you plain don't have to.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Mar 18, 2010 0:53:42 GMT -5
It's not just death that's on the line here but quality of life. Remember when Hugh Morrus had his little celebration in the ring in late WCW, where the guys thanked him for being a locker room leader? He was saying how he needed help remembering things, help getting to places because of brain damage. Is it really worth things like that just to see a chair shot? No it isn't and it would be selfish of any of us to think otherwise. I see what these guys do to themselves to please us and it makes me feel kind of bad at times. I understand how easy it is to get addicted to painkillers and the day struggle. I'm in the same spot myself. I think about how at 25 years old I have days where I can hardly get out of bed. I can only imagine what these guys must feel like doing what they do on a nightly basis.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 3:20:46 GMT -5
I've never had any problems with them, personally, and actually always get kind of annoyed when someone sees a match and complains about this. I figure, guys know the risks, if they're willing to do it let them.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Mar 18, 2010 3:31:30 GMT -5
I've never had any problems with them, personally, and actually always get kind of annoyed when someone sees a match and complains about this. I figure, guys know the risks, if they're willing to do it let them. I hate to bring up Benoit (he seriously is the Godwin's law of the wrestling world...), but one criticism of him was that he would do anything for what he considered his art. There are other guys out there who don't care about the consequences of what they do, and it's honestly not healthy. Even if they don't end up murdering their family, they're going to be putting their families through living hell when they're living with severe brain damage by the age of 60 and can hardly function on their own. And even ignoring that, just because a person is willing to destroy their own brain for somebody's entertainment doesn't mean they should be allowed to. It's disturbing to me that people are okay with watching their favorite wrestlers give themselves head trauma. If you cared about the person, you wouldn't want him to give himself brain damage for you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 3:38:41 GMT -5
I've never had any problems with them, personally, and actually always get kind of annoyed when someone sees a match and complains about this. I figure, guys know the risks, if they're willing to do it let them. I hate to bring up Benoit (he seriously is the Godwin's law of the wrestling world...), but one criticism of him was that he would do anything for what he considered his art. There are other guys out there who don't care about the consequences of what they do, and it's honestly not healthy. Even if they don't end up murdering their family, they're going to be putting their families through living hell when they're living with severe brain damage by the age of 60 and can hardly function on their own. And even ignoring that, just because a person is willing to destroy their own brain for somebody's entertainment doesn't mean they should be allowed to. It's disturbing to me that people are okay with watching their favorite wrestlers give themselves head trauma. If you cared about the person, you wouldn't want him to give himself brain damage for you. Don't get me wrong, I don't think they should do fifty a night or anything. Just way I see it if someone's aware of the risks and is willing to take it I don't see the harm in just one every now and then for the big occasions.
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Post by Totorob101 on Mar 18, 2010 4:15:35 GMT -5
Glad about this.Once in a while would be ok but theres no need for huge chair shots to the head.Im sure fans love the sight of seeing a guy getting smashed hard with one but you dont know the damage it can do to the guys.I honestly would love to see a lot of dangerous spots and weapon usage toned down,not just in the WWE but TNA,ROH,Japan,Mexico,everyplace.Just let the guys wrestle and put on a good show with actual wrestling in the ring.
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Post by D2: Sweet & Sour Edition on Mar 18, 2010 4:27:09 GMT -5
To the people complaining about this "policy" with the No Holds Barred match between Bret and Vince coming up:
Do you REALLY think Bret is going to take a chair shot? He can barely take a slap. And Vince? What will they do if he takes a chair shot, fine Bret? Suspend Vince? Fire them both? Hell no. If there's a chair spot to happen in that match, it will happen, because both are LITERALLY untouchable when it comes to policy. Personally, I fully expect Vince to blade, take wicked chair shots (or as wicked as Bret can throw them these days), and take a total ass beating that would make us think twice that we're watching the PG-Era of WWE.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 18, 2010 6:29:21 GMT -5
I'm surprised this wasn't done DIRECTLY after the Benoit stuff.
Save it for moments that'll mean something, if anything.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 7:03:43 GMT -5
I've never had any problems with them, personally, and actually always get kind of annoyed when someone sees a match and complains about this. I figure, guys know the risks, if they're willing to do it let them. They might know the risk in an abstract sense but, unless they've had to personally deal with the ramifications of their actions, they do not know the reality of the injury. In "Beyond the Mat", Terry Funk went to the doctor to get his knees examined. Now, Terry thought he had an idea of the severity of damage done to them over the years; he knew that they hurt and he wanted to know if his mobility would be effected later in life, wanted to know if the pain would be too crippling. The doctor surprised him by saying that he shouldn't be able to move around as well as he was doing then, that the pain should be crippling him already. Terry had an idea of the severity of injury but he didn't have the full picture. Eddie Guerrero told William Regal about the issues that he was having with his body, issues that were similar to Regal's physical state before he almost died several years ago. Regal asked Eddie to get it checked out, to see a doctor. Eddie said he would but didn't catch it in time and passed away. Eddie had an idea of the state of his physical condition but he didn't have a full picture of it, he didn't have a medical perspective. So, wrestlers can know the risks of something, they can have an idea of their physical condition but unless they get it checked out by a doctor, they truly don't know what's going on. A man like Benoit knew that he had problems because of his concussions, as individuals like Elijah Burke/Angelo D'neiro have said that Benoit would tell people that he had a tendency to forget things and that they shouldn't take it personally if he forgot things that they talked about. However, he didn't know the full ramifications of having so many concussions. People might have an idea of the risks that they take in the ring but wrestlers would realistically be caught in the moment, fueled by adrenaline and the desire to please fans. They might do things like take an unprotected chair shot or jump off a steel cage that they might not do otherwise. They are only human and are capable of making rash decisions that may haunt them later.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Mar 18, 2010 7:47:24 GMT -5
So basically, suspensions for mid carders, small fines for main eventers. If Undertaker and Michaels can break out piledrivers, I don't think it will get that far.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 18, 2010 7:54:25 GMT -5
They barely do it lately, anyway. Usually it's hits to the back. I doubt it'll really change much.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 18, 2010 9:24:47 GMT -5
Think about this, too.
The WWE is basically a publically traded company. They're really lucky the Benoit thing didn't do worse to them then it did.
It'd be MUCH better to not give people the firepower to take you down then to give them the bullets, the ammunition and the weaponary.
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Post by Boomaga on Mar 18, 2010 10:20:16 GMT -5
Wrestlers are stunt men, bottom line. In any line of stunt work there are risks and rewards, whether you're doing stunts for a movie, a live show or performing in a WWE ring. The bigger risk, usually the better the reward is. If this is a risk WWE doesn't want their talent to take, that's fine, however the quality of their product overall may suffer as a result.
Personally, I see it as a red herring to cover over the much deeper problems that Benoit had that no one seemed to notice for years before his murder/suicide. If banning chairshots makes things a bit safer, fine, but I can recall several matches in wrestling's past that were made better and wouldn't be the same without chairshots, and we'll never experience the same kind of excitement we got from those matches again. Afterall, when it comes to generating excitement in a match, not everyone is Shawn Michaels and the Undertaker.
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