SmackDown and NXT Spoilers

[A Boy Named Sue]

Apr 13, 2010 16:41:11 GMT -5 Spankymac is sick of the swiss said:

Apr 13, 2010 16:38:02 GMT -5 toonami4life said:

Deadliest Warrior returns next week so if anyone is wondering why I'm not watching NXT from now on, it's going to be because of that.

I'm pretty much right there with you.

Same here. I skipped last week's NXT and this thread hasn't given me any reason to want to tune into this one either. I mean, Bryan keeps jobbing while Otunga gets to wrestle on Raw two weeks in a row? F*** that.

Yeah, I think I'm done with NXT.

[officedepot6905]

Apr 13, 2010 19:14:58 GMT -5 A Boy Named Sue said:

Apr 13, 2010 16:41:11 GMT -5 Spankymac is sick of the swiss said:

I'm pretty much right there with you.

Same here. I skipped last week's NXT and this thread hasn't given me any reason to want to tune into this one either. I mean, Bryan keeps jobbing while Otunga gets to wrestle on Raw two weeks in a row? F*** that.

Yeah, I think I'm done with NXT.

so is syfy

[The Genesis of KoOS]

Hahahaha seeing Bland Daniel lose pleases me.

[Wailing Fungus]

Apr 13, 2010 17:55:07 GMT -5 Steveweiser said:

Dark match was Rey vs. Punk, I presume Rey won.

Yeah, Rey won.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

Apr 13, 2010 19:43:14 GMT -5 The Genesis of KoOS said:

Hahahaha seeing Bland Daniel lose pleases me.

Dude, do you do anything besides make lame-ass "Blandiel" jokes in every thread that even touches on NXT?

[RedSmile]

Danielson is being jobbed so HBK can come back and rescue/manage/mentor his former student.

[xxshoyuweeniexx]

Apr 13, 2010 19:43:14 GMT -5 The Genesis of KoOS said:

Hahahaha seeing Bland Daniel lose pleases me.

Hopefully he'll go back to wrestling in high school gyms in Orlando!

[greeby]

The opening segment was just a plain awful idea.

Barrett/Christian and Bryan/Regal suffered from the same thing. In the US, the face/heel booking would be obvious. But on this night, both were face vs face, which is tricky to pull off.

The angle being played out over both shows, is that Gallows is resentful of Darren Young getting attention from Punk. Bit like an older child is when the new baby is born. Funny that he wasn't that way with Serena, given that she and Punk are all over each other.

The women's match was quite something. Went longer than most, floor spots, barricade spots, the whole nine yards. They need to get these three together on PPV pronto.

Only thing lacking from the six-man, as mentioned, was that Nattie and Serena didn't get into a fight, although it looked close for a moment. Nice to let DH close out the TV week with the happy ending he didn't get on Raw.

[Michael Coello]

Apr 13, 2010 20:38:05 GMT -5 greeby said:

The angle being played out over both shows, is that Gallows is resentful of Darren Young getting attention from Punk. Bit like an older child is when the new baby is born. Funny that he wasn't that way with Serena, given that she and Punk are all over each other.

I guess it has to do with Gallows and Barrett trying to be the Bob the Goon to Punk's Joker, while Serena is more leaning to the Harley Quinn.

[truwrestlingfan]

You guys didnt watch the show that are trashing Bryan. He looked good against Regal and made one mistake. His fued is def. going somewhere with Miz. I think along the lines of Miz either burning a fire under Bryan's ass, or Bryan joining Miz, then turning on him eventually. I love where his storyline is going

[Citizen Grimm]

Apr 13, 2010 22:05:04 GMT -5 @truwrestlingfan said:

You guys didnt watch the show that are trashing Bryan. He looked good against Regal and made one mistake. His fued is def. going somewhere with Miz. I think along the lines of Miz either burning a fire under Bryan's ass, or Bryan joining Miz, then turning on him eventually. I love where his storyline is going

Its not that we hate the storyline. Most of us liked the idea when we realized what it would be about.

The problem is that the WWE is waiting too long to pull the trigger. Bryan should have gotten to 0-7 at the absolute max when he actually starts feuding with Miz. To have him keep losing, especially after being hype before the show started, makes him a jobber in the eyes of a casual fan.

God forbid the reaction if Bryan loses to Tarver next.

[mrjl]

Apr 13, 2010 15:04:40 GMT -5 Widow's Peak said:

I've given it several weeks, and I still don't know who this show is putting over.

they seem to be trying for everyone except Sheffield and Tarver.

Punk seems to want to surround himself with sycophants so why does he keep coming back to Young?

For Bryan, they're hoping for fans like me, who are still looking forward to his first win rather than bitching about his losses.

Gabriel comes in and gets a banned move as a finish.

Slater was undefeated for a long time and has a great relationship with Christian.

Otunga's playing off his connections. He's supposed to be already famous.

Barrett is getting a lot of wins and respect from Jericho and carrying himself like Regal.

[Beets by Schrute]

so his win against chavo does not count?

[Richard]

Apr 13, 2010 22:24:40 GMT -5 mrjl said:

Gabriel comes in and gets a banned move as a finish.

450 was never banned. It was London's seldom seen finish.

[Schattenjager]

Apr 13, 2010 19:43:14 GMT -5 The Genesis of KoOS said:

Hahahaha seeing Bland Daniel lose pleases me.

Bland?

Sir.

In the grand tradition of men like Lou Thesz, Shinya Hashimoto, Tom Billington, and Jushin Liger, Danielson leaves everything he has in the ring for the fans. He works a realistic, technical style that is multifaceted and captivating. He can garbage it up with Necro, strike with KENTA, fly with Marufuji and chain wrestle like the Lord Almighty himself a-f***ing-men. If people cannot appreciate his work, it is time for those people to take a very real look at what they want and expect out of a professional wrestling match, and begin to come to terms with the fact that they prefer elementary school rubber potatoes to Argentinian filet mignon.

The real problem is that too many of the philistines who follow professional wrestling simply no longer have a taste for matches that are built on holds, counter-holds, reversals, and psychology -- where the best man is the one who is the most talented wrestler, not who sells the most t-shirts to adolescents.

[Metalheadbanger Man]

Just watched NXT. By the far the worst episode to date. There was nothing redeeming about it at all - that opening segment in particular was horribly executed.

[randomranter]

I wonder if the cancellation of NXT has anything to do with the way Bryan is being booked.

I've been saying for weeks now that they're jobbing Bryan out and it was getting increasingly difficult to salvage this storyline. He's 0-9 now, and was on the wrong end of a squash match to a JTTS. Granted, it was Regal in England, but still...most casual fans won't think that. They'll just see not only another loss, but a squash. As most others have said, there's really no way to get Bryan over now without making a whole bunch of others look really stupid in the process.

But now that NXT is cancelled, will they even bother? Have they just decided that since NXT will be gone, they're better off using Bryan to put over everyone else until his eventual release at the end of the season? Similarly, did they simply feed Otunga to Cena knowing that they plan to release him anyway instead of giving Otunga at least some offense to get himself over?

It's very possible that there were plans for Bryan, but those plans went out the window with NXT.

And I'll ask the question for the third time, hoping for an actual discussion:

For those of you who support the way Bryan is being booked and think there's a big payoff coming at the end of this............what if there isn't? What if there is no big match with the Miz? No "Big win" at the end of the season? Or what if there is a big match, only for him to be fed to Miz? What if all of this really is for nothing, and/or Vince's way of sticking it to the indy fans?

[rnrk supports BLM]

Apr 14, 2010 5:50:21 GMT -5 randomranter said:

For those of you who support the way Bryan is being booked and think there's a big payoff coming at the end of this............what if there isn't? What if there is no big match with the Miz? No "Big win" at the end of the season? Or what if there is a big match, only for him to be fed to Miz? What if all of this really is for nothing, and/or Vince's way of sticking it to the indy fans?

Is it really plausible that the only reason WWE would decide not to push Daniel Bryan would be to "stick it to the indy fans"? He is, by WWE standards, a short, pasty guy with a less than impressive physique who isn't anything special on the mic, doesn't have any sort of gimmick beyond the bog-standard Shelton Benjamin-like "he's a really good athlete" shtick, and whose main skill is mat-based wrestling, which hasn't been one of WWE's priorities in years. He's exactly the sort of guy who WWE uses primarily as talent enhancement.

The only reason Bryan's getting pushed as much as he is (and he is getting pushed; he's being treated like one of the major focal points of NXT, unlike guys like Tarver and Sheffield who are pretty obviously being used as filler) is because NXT attracts a small enough niche of an audience that the smarky fans make up a much larger portion of its viewers than they do of RAW or Smackdown.

I suspect that when the Bryan/Miz feud ends (and it probably will end up with Bryan on top at the end, given that Miz is over enough to be able to take a loss without losing his heat), Bryan's going to get a few more token wins and then spend the majority of his time putting over other guys anyway.

And frankly, I see no reason not to consider that the best use of him in the company.

[mrjl]

Apr 14, 2010 0:05:52 GMT -5 Richard said:

Apr 13, 2010 22:24:40 GMT -5 mrjl said:

Gabriel comes in and gets a banned move as a finish.

450 was never banned. It was London's seldom seen finish.

It was banned, the same as the shooting star press.

[randomranter]

Apr 14, 2010 6:10:33 GMT -5 rnrk supports BLM said:

Is it really plausible that the only reason WWE would decide not to push Daniel Bryan would be to "stick it to the indy fans"?

Yes, especially when you consider all the other petty stunts he's pulled over the years.

He is, by WWE standards, a short, pasty guy with a less than impressive physique who isn't anything special on the mic,

Outside of "short", I could make similar comments about 90% of the guys on the roster.

doesn't have any sort of gimmick beyond the bog-standard Shelton Benjamin-like "he's a really good athlete" shtick,

The WWE is supposed to have an entire creative team dedicated to coming up with gimmicks to get people over. If they don't think Bryan's skills and "Snap or Tap" gimmick is enough to get him over in the WWE, then it's up to them to come up with something that will.

and whose main skill is mat-based wrestling, which hasn't been one of WWE's priorities in years. He's exactly the sort of guy who WWE uses primarily as talent enhancement.

Then why make him the focus of the show?

The only reason Bryan's getting pushed as much as he is (and he is getting pushed; he's being treated like one of the major focal points of NXT, unlike guys like Tarver and Sheffield who are pretty obviously being used as filler) is because NXT attracts a small enough niche of an audience that the smarky fans make up a much larger portion of its viewers than they do of RAW or Smackdown.

You consider an 0-9 record, losing in squash matches to JTTS, and losing clean to the guy ranked worst out of the 8 on NXT a push? I'd really hate to see what you consider a burial

I suspect that when the Bryan/Miz feud ends (and it probably will end up with Bryan on top at the end, given that Miz is over enough to be able to take a loss without losing his heat),

I would have agreed with this a few weeks ago, but there's no way to have Bryan and his 0-X record get a win over a man who holds multiple titles and is arguably the most over heel on the roster without (a) being a complete fluke win that will do nothing to get bryan over, (b) making Miz look like a complete tool, (c) undermining the entire NXT concept, or (d) all of the above.

Bryan is 0-9. It's very likely he's either going to end up being 0-X, or barely better than that. How stupid does every other rookie on the roster, all 8 pros, and the entire NXT concept look if the guy who wins the whole thing is the guy who never gets a single win?

Bryan's going to get a few more token wins and then spend the majority of his time putting over other guys anyway.

Or he's just going to get released outright. At this point, I really don't see him having a successful career in the WWE.

And frankly, I see no reason not to consider that the best use of him in the company.

I would agree with this statement if they even made an attempt at getting the guy over first. But not only are they intentionally not trying to get the guy over, they're repeatedly giving us reasons not to care for him. It was bad enough that Cole was burying him on a weekly basis, but from what I've read, they've got Striker doing the exact same thing now.

If they tried to get him over but he just didn't catch on with the fans, then fine -- job him out and let him go. But they need to actually try to get him over first. Having the announcers go out of their way to bury him, having him lose in squash matches, losing to "filler" rookies, and having a 0-X record is not the way to do that.