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Post by toddpolt on Oct 14, 2009 22:56:27 GMT -5
What if...Mike Tyson turned down Wrestlemania XIV?
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Post by simongr81 on Oct 15, 2009 11:41:56 GMT -5
What if... Jericho triumphed at Wrestlemania 18?I think the better scenario would be "What if ... if Chirs Jericho hadn't been so misused and made to look irrelevant (picking up the Helmsley's dog's feces) building up to Wrestlemania XVIII?" What if... Mike Tyson turned down Wrestlemania XIV?Probably close to what happened- just Shawn and DX feuding with Austin minus Tyson. Austin would get the stunner win on Shawn and another referee makes the count.
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Post by showster22 on Oct 15, 2009 16:30:34 GMT -5
I would love to see the What if Flair didn't leave the WWF in 93. I think that recalling the politics, Black Scorpion, and how the WCW office didn't like him would make him stay with McMahon even if it meant a diminished role. I figure the Fued with Prefect goes to wrestlemaina, Maybe a tag fiued with Flair & Dibiase vs. Kid/Razor at Summer Slam and a Fude with Luger to give him some ME credit. It would also be cool to see two stories running at the same time (One for WCW one for WWF) throw in some Quotes from a now altered TO Be The Man and I think it would be the biggest Re-writing the book ever.
OH one last thing Flair the third man at Bash at the Beach 96.
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Post by mlsq42 on Oct 15, 2009 21:59:02 GMT -5
Going through some old mail, I found an idea that's not on the list that I liked.
What if the Rockers tag title win had stuck?
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Post by mrjl on Oct 15, 2009 22:22:43 GMT -5
What if Eddie Gilbert had been the Black Scorpion? It just now occured to me, and he'd challenged Flair a couple years earlier.
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Oct 18, 2009 9:34:28 GMT -5
What if... Mike Tyson turned down Wrestlemania XIV?Probably close to what happened- just Shawn and DX feuding with Austin minus Tyson. Austin would get the stunner win on Shawn and another referee makes the count. Yes, but look at the mainstream press Austin/Tyson pulled in. The showdown was on local news sports reports. It was on SportsCenter. It was on entertainment shows. It made press, because it looked like a pro wrestler had honest-to-goodness just gone bats*** insane and attacked a pro boxer on live TV during a scheduled meet-and-greet with the promotion's Chairman/owner. Without that kind of mainstream press coming in to WrestleMania XIV ... does Austin's rise to main event coincide with WWE's rise to ratings gold? Does WCW start it's precipitous slide to bankruptcy? The lack of Tyson could mean huge things for WWE in 1998. Jed Shaffer ~Maybe one of my Padawan learners might take it on. But Yoda-Jed's happy eating bugs in the Dagobah swamps.
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Post by simongr81 on Oct 18, 2009 22:05:04 GMT -5
Yes, but look at the mainstream press Austin/Tyson pulled in. The showdown was on local news sports reports. It was on SportsCenter. It was on entertainment shows. It made press, because it looked like a pro wrestler had honest-to-goodness just gone bats*** insane and attacked a pro boxer on live TV during a scheduled meet-and-greet with the promotion's Chairman/owner. Without that kind of mainstream press coming in to WrestleMania XIV ... does Austin's rise to main event coincide with WWE's rise to ratings gold? Does WCW start it's precipitous slide to bankruptcy? The lack of Tyson could mean huge things for WWE in 1998. Jed Shaffer ~Maybe one of my Padawan learners might take it on. But Yoda-Jed's happy eating bugs in the Dagobah swamps. I tend to give the wrestlers and promoters credit for what happened NOT Mike Tyson. Don't get me wrong, it was darn entertaining. But I think it could have been entertaining anyway. And I don't think it affected WCW in any way. WCW screwed WCW. I believe that the Austin-McMahon feud would and could have gone on without Mike Tyson and worked just as well. As I remember, Vince was mad about Austin challenging Tyson (which again while entertaining was clearly to me a work) but later he didn't want Austin in power because of his antics, foul mouth and lack of corporate compliance. But in alternate history ... who knows? No one for sure, that's what's fun about it. There are no correct alternate histories; there are only plausible alternate histories. Not a project I'd be up for right now but, it could be fun to see. But the oracle is drawing a cloudy ball on that one for me right now.
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Oct 19, 2009 21:55:49 GMT -5
I tend to give the wrestlers and promoters credit for what happened NOT Mike Tyson. Don't get me wrong, it was darn entertaining. But I think it could have been entertaining anyway. I'm not saying Tyson was solely responsible. But they wouldn't have been on SportsCenter and Entertainment Tonight in January of 1998 without Tyson. And while it may not have been responsible for EVERY new viewer they got, they had to get SOME from it. That some may have been what put WWF over the edge. Yes, but without Tyson, WWF may not have had such unparalleled success. Without WWF challenging WCW in the ratings, would Bischoff had made the same decisions as he did, like giving away Goldberg/Hogan on Nitro, or Karl Malone and Jay Leno? These things may not have a 1>2 causal relationship, but it's a domino effect. No mainstream coverage --> WWF doesn't get as much momentum --> Bischoff doesn't feel threatened and doesn't make short-sighted decisions --> ?? But without the Austin/Tyson incident to make Vince mad, where's the spark to light the Austin/McMahon fuse? I'm not saying it WOULDN'T have happened, but that was a perfect flashpoint. Anything else ... meh. They'd had rebellious wrestlers attack promoters before. Such is the beauty of having two writers and an editor for RTB now. Divergent viewpoints. ;D You'd think I planned it this way. Jed Shaffer ~But anybody who's been reading me long enough knows I don't do so well at long-term plans. Or deadlines. Or ambition.
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Post by simongr81 on Oct 20, 2009 23:34:38 GMT -5
[I'm not saying Tyson was solely responsible. But they wouldn't have been on SportsCenter and Entertainment Tonight in January of 1998 without Tyson. And while it may not have been responsible for EVERY new viewer they got, they had to get SOME from it. That some may have been what put WWF over the edge. Here is the history of the Monday Night War ratings. Tyson gave them a pop on January 19, 1998 (the day after Royal Rumble 1998) when he and Austin got into it. But then the ratings went back to pre-Rumble levels. They ratings did not shift to WWF until the day AFTER Wrestlemania (March 30, 1998). Remember McMahon and Austin did not have one encounter from the day after the Rumble till the day after WrestleMania (though he did say he was pulling for Michaels in a public statement). The Mike Tyson incident was not mentioned when McMahon presented Austin the new WWF belt. The premise of the feud was he did not want a beer guzzling, middle-finger flashing, foul-mouthed redneck to take the helms of the Federation and be their standard bearer. And Vince probably used Montreal more for his Mr. McMahon character than the Mike Tyson incident. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/Monday_Night_Wars_Ratings.JPG
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Post by mlsq42 on Oct 21, 2009 5:01:24 GMT -5
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*steals chart for use in future Ask 411 column*
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Post by toddpolt on Oct 22, 2009 19:22:12 GMT -5
will there be new RTB this week?
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Post by simongr81 on Oct 22, 2009 22:50:32 GMT -5
Nope. But I will say my writing finger is itching.
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Post by mlsq42 on Oct 24, 2009 1:22:56 GMT -5
Maybe you'd write quicker if you learnt how to type with more than one finger.
I mean, I use two and I'm pretty fast.
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Post by simongr81 on Oct 24, 2009 17:52:17 GMT -5
Maybe you'd write quicker if you learnt how to type with more than one finger. I mean, I use two and I'm pretty fast. I finished my (not) Gooker story in ten days. If I used two fingers, my keyboard may catch fire.
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Post by toddpolt on Oct 24, 2009 19:16:15 GMT -5
What if...Kane beat Austin in their WWF Title rematch on RAW?
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Post by mlsq42 on Oct 25, 2009 18:34:02 GMT -5
Maybe you'd write quicker if you learnt how to type with more than one finger. I mean, I use two and I'm pretty fast. I finished my (not) Gooker story in ten days. If I used two fingers, my keyboard may catch fire. Well we wouldn't want that. Unless it was being filmed. Then we could stick it on youtube and get attention.
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Oct 27, 2009 15:54:02 GMT -5
[I'm not saying Tyson was solely responsible. But they wouldn't have been on SportsCenter and Entertainment Tonight in January of 1998 without Tyson. And while it may not have been responsible for EVERY new viewer they got, they had to get SOME from it. That some may have been what put WWF over the edge. Here is the history of the Monday Night War ratings. Tyson gave them a pop on January 19, 1998 (the day after Royal Rumble 1998) when he and Austin got into it. But then the ratings went back to pre-Rumble levels. They ratings did not shift to WWF until the day AFTER Wrestlemania (March 30, 1998). Remember McMahon and Austin did not have one encounter from the day after the Rumble till the day after WrestleMania (though he did say he was pulling for Michaels in a public statement). The Mike Tyson incident was not mentioned when McMahon presented Austin the new WWF belt. The premise of the feud was he did not want a beer guzzling, middle-finger flashing, foul-mouthed redneck to take the helms of the Federation and be their standard bearer. And Vince probably used Montreal more for his Mr. McMahon character than the Mike Tyson incident. But the Tyson incident provided a nice flashpoint is all I'm saying. No Tyson, no mainstream media attention. No mainstream media attention, McMahon has less to be mad about (as a character) because WWF isn't appearing on TV Guide covers and SportsCenter and the like. Montreal definitely gave McMahon the fuel to start the engine, but I think without Tyson and the mainstream attention that came along with it, WWF may not have caught fire so fast. Jed Shaffer ~I use four fingers to type my stuff. Which explains how I pumped out the columns SO FAST!!!
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Post by chunkylover53 on Oct 29, 2009 1:42:26 GMT -5
I must say, "The Retaylored Rooster" storyline was PHENOMINAL!! Far too imaginative for WWF to do something like that at its creative peak.
Here's one, what if Jeff Jarrett stayed with the WWF and got his feud with Austin? I did a storyline on that, and I pretty much put Jarrett in Triple H's position as the main who orchestrated the hit and run attack. The storyline was pretty much the same as it happened with Triple H except for Austin winning their three stages of hell match at No Way Out 2001.
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Post by simongr81 on Oct 29, 2009 10:50:42 GMT -5
I must say, "The Retaylored Rooster" storyline was PHENOMINAL!! Far too imaginative for WWF to do something like that at its creative peak. Thank you so much for those kind words! Sounds interesting. I would like to take a look at it. Feel free to PM your story or email to me.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Nov 3, 2009 20:28:46 GMT -5
Here's another one. What if Mickey Rourke agreed to wrestle Chris Jericho at Wrestlemania 25 instead of being in attendance?
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