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Post by Arturo Classico on Jun 12, 2010 17:37:09 GMT -5
If Kansas, Kansas Sate and Missouri go to the Big East than not only do they improve as a football conference but will be an amazing Basketball conference and I see either Kansas or Missouri being the automatic favorite in this new conference. Also if the Big 12 does die I can see the Mountain West Conference becoming the new BCS Conference especially since they'd have TCU, Boise, Utah, and BYU. Honestly I don't know how the Pac Ten will work as it will essentially be the Pac Ten and the Big 12 South but it sure is interesting and one has to wonder how the SEC, Big Ten and ACC will resond to this.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jun 12, 2010 22:58:51 GMT -5
This is going to be one weird year of college football. USC not in a bowl game, the last Big XII Champion possibly being crowned, the possibility of Alabama being even BETTER than last year, Boise State being a title contender at the BEGINNING of the season. I'm excited for this year of college football.
Hell, I'm excited for College Football next year, as it may be the only option of football in the fall besides the UFL if the NFL decides to go to a lockout.
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Post by BearDogg-X on Jun 12, 2010 23:18:32 GMT -5
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jun 13, 2010 10:57:27 GMT -5
They do have a point. Nebraska and Texas hate each other with a passion. That's probably one of the reasons why Texas didn't want to make a move first. So to point the finger at Nebraska and be like, "SEE? They did it FIRST!" Only Colorado was the team to make a move first, signing with the Pac-10, and leaving everyone like, "Huh. Didn't see that coming."
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 13, 2010 12:39:30 GMT -5
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Post by Perd on Jun 13, 2010 16:21:24 GMT -5
According to Chip Brown's Twitter, Texas A&M turned down the PAC-10 today.
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Post by BearDogg-X on Jun 13, 2010 16:35:23 GMT -5
According to Billy Liucci's Twitter(he runs TexAgs.com): "Just received word from two sources that Aggies have NOT turned down Pac-10 and are still weighing P10/SEC option."
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jun 13, 2010 16:37:58 GMT -5
Big XII might live with the Rejects plus teams like Tulsa and Houston.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 13, 2010 21:15:00 GMT -5
Big XII might live with the Rejects plus teams like Tulsa and Houston. I think, if they want to not disband, they really need to get BYU and TCU, you know, those teams who are capable of making runs into the rankings but never did as mid majors. I don't think Tulsa and Houston would keep it alive.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jun 13, 2010 22:03:10 GMT -5
Big XII might live with the Rejects plus teams like Tulsa and Houston. I think, if they want to not disband, they really need to get BYU and TCU, you know, those teams who are capable of making runs into the rankings but never did as mid majors. I don't think Tulsa and Houston would keep it alive. But you need more than 2 teams. They need to get to at least 10. They are at 5 teams, 4 of those in the old North one in the south. You would need to balance it.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 13, 2010 22:11:22 GMT -5
I think, if they want to not disband, they really need to get BYU and TCU, you know, those teams who are capable of making runs into the rankings but never did as mid majors. I don't think Tulsa and Houston would keep it alive. But you need more than 2 teams. They need to get to at least 10. They are at 5 teams, 4 of those in the old North one in the south. You would need to balance it. True. If they only had to replace 5, I could see Houston making the cut. If they could poach at will from non-BCS conferences, Boise State would have been ideal too. But I think if they want to survive, they'll have to look for teams that either excel in one sport or have made waves in the rankings in the past. BYU TCU Memphis Utah and either Air Force or Houston
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jun 13, 2010 22:28:32 GMT -5
But you need more than 2 teams. They need to get to at least 10. They are at 5 teams, 4 of those in the old North one in the south. You would need to balance it. True. If they only had to replace 5, I could see Houston making the cut. If they could poach at will from non-BCS conferences, Boise State would have been ideal too. But I think if they want to survive, they'll have to look for teams that either excel in one sport or have made waves in the rankings in the past. BYU TCU Memphis Utah and either Air Force or Houston TCU does not want to leave Mountian West, plus they hate Baylor.lol The best bet is to get WAC and CUSA schools. And adding Tulsa still gets some attention into OK as its the number 3 school. South Baylor SMU Houston Tulsa Tulane/Memphis Kansas K State Iowa State Missou Memphis/Utah
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Post by MGH on Jun 13, 2010 23:13:07 GMT -5
Word tonight making the rounds is that "unless something unforeseeable happens", A&M is now SEC bound. From their Rivals.com site, the Houston Chronicle, and others.
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Post by BearDogg-X on Jun 13, 2010 23:15:22 GMT -5
Houston Chronicle is reporting that Texas A&M appears headed for the SEC as early as Thursday.
If Kansas, K-State, Iowa St., and Mizzou end up in the Big East, that would put 20 teams for basketball(and 12 for football). I was trying to figure out how the divisions would look for both:
Big East football: East: West Virginia Rutgers Syracuse South Florida UConn Pittsburgh
West Kansas Kansas State Iowa State Missouri Louisville Cincinnati
Edit: For Big East basketball with Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, and Mizzou, I'm thinking 4 divisions of 5 teams each.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 13, 2010 23:31:48 GMT -5
True. If they only had to replace 5, I could see Houston making the cut. If they could poach at will from non-BCS conferences, Boise State would have been ideal too. But I think if they want to survive, they'll have to look for teams that either excel in one sport or have made waves in the rankings in the past. BYU TCU Memphis Utah and either Air Force or Houston TCU does not want to leave Mountian West, plus they hate Baylor.lol The best bet is to get WAC and CUSA schools. And adding Tulsa still gets some attention into OK as its the number 3 school. South Baylor SMU Houston Tulsa Tulane/Memphis Kansas K State Iowa State Missou Memphis/Utah The problem with that south is that you've essentially created the least interesting division in Div. I. Baylor and Houston can't be the shining jewels of your conference. And yes, Tulsa does bring a small market, but really, if OU and OSU leave, you've given up Oklahoma. Even in Tulsa, Tulsa doesn't get as much coverage as they do. And even if you do gain it, it's not exactly a big market.
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Post by BearDogg-X on Jun 13, 2010 23:35:17 GMT -5
TCU does not want to leave Mountian West, plus they hate Baylor.lol The best bet is to get WAC and CUSA schools. And adding Tulsa still gets some attention into OK as its the number 3 school. South Baylor SMU Houston Tulsa Tulane/Memphis Kansas K State Iowa State Missou Memphis/Utah The problem with that south is that you've essentially created the least interesting division in Div. I. Baylor and Houston can't be the shining jewels of your conference. And yes, Tulsa does bring a small market, but really, if OU and OSU leave, you've given up Oklahoma. Even in Tulsa, Tulsa doesn't get as much coverage as they do. Plus, even in New Orleans, Tulane doesn't get as much coverage as LSU does.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jun 13, 2010 23:42:00 GMT -5
TCU does not want to leave Mountian West, plus they hate Baylor.lol The best bet is to get WAC and CUSA schools. And adding Tulsa still gets some attention into OK as its the number 3 school. South Baylor SMU Houston Tulsa Tulane/Memphis Kansas K State Iowa State Missou Memphis/Utah The problem with that south is that you've essentially created the least interesting division in Div. I. Baylor and Houston can't be the shining jewels of your conference. And yes, Tulsa does bring a small market, but really, if OU and OSU leave, you've given up Oklahoma. Even in Tulsa, Tulsa doesn't get as much coverage as they do. And even if you do gain it, it's not exactly a big market. There is no one who can honestly fit there. TCU is not going to leave Mountain West. And having a Utah school in the same division as Baylor is kinda stretching it. And Baylor/Houston is till more interesting then anything MAC has to offer.
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Post by sunwukong on Jun 13, 2010 23:46:50 GMT -5
The problem with that south is that you've essentially created the least interesting division in Div. I. Baylor and Houston can't be the shining jewels of your conference. And yes, Tulsa does bring a small market, but really, if OU and OSU leave, you've given up Oklahoma. Even in Tulsa, Tulsa doesn't get as much coverage as they do. And even if you do gain it, it's not exactly a big market. There is no one who can honestly fit there. TCU is not going to leave Mountain West. And having a Utah school in the same division as Baylor is kinda stretching it. And Baylor/Houston is till more interesting then anything MAC has to offer. So is hammering tacks into your hand. Bowling Green? Ball State? Miami of Ohio? Just typing those names makes me sleepy.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 13, 2010 23:58:09 GMT -5
The problem with that south is that you've essentially created the least interesting division in Div. I. Baylor and Houston can't be the shining jewels of your conference. And yes, Tulsa does bring a small market, but really, if OU and OSU leave, you've given up Oklahoma. Even in Tulsa, Tulsa doesn't get as much coverage as they do. And even if you do gain it, it's not exactly a big market. There is no one who can honestly fit there. TCU is not going to leave Mountain West. And having a Utah school in the same division as Baylor is kinda stretching it. And Baylor/Houston is till more interesting then anything MAC has to offer. Which really brings into question the idea of whether they could survive if they had to replace that many big names. If there is no one who could begin to replace it, then there's little worth saving. Let's face the facts, the Big 12 is Texas, OU and Nebraska. Others may rise up on occasion, but those are your money-teams in football in that conference. I get what you're trying to do, stick with teams in larger markets and hope to bring those markets in, but you just can't replace those teams unless you can snag major teams from other, bigger conferences. Baylor (seriously, Baylor? Is that the team we want to build a division around?) would play Houston in that marquee matchup once a year, and it'd gain no national attention. After that they'd be playing the likes of SMU and Tulane. Better than the MAC? That is the MAC. At this point, replacing them with teams like that would be like replacing an engine with a cardboard cutout of an engine and expecting the car to go. Replacing one or two teams, sure. Beyond that, it's conference implosion time.
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