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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 16, 2010 19:55:44 GMT -5
That's one show. Hell, there as an episode where the Machine Guns got more time than anyone else on the roster.Guess the X-Division was taking too much of the show. The Knockouts had all all-Knockout show on New Years. They must be the biggest angle of the company. The Band, Nash, and Young got a lot of time during one show. It must be all about them, then. Just cause there's a show with a specific build doesn't mean it's all about them. And the whole "They should be getting all of it" sounds ignorant. You don't build a show around just new guys, and you don't build a show around just old guys. You have that mix to getting everythign working. Just one show? You havent been watching have you? The angles I listed have been hogging tv time for weeks. This isn't a one time thing. When I say the young guys should be getting all of it, I am referring to the non-geriatrics on the show. You can easily build a show on Angle, Anderson, Pope, RVD, Hardy, Wolfe, MCMG, Hernandez and Beer Money without Hogan popping in every 10 minutes to remind you he is there. If anyone really isn't watching, it's probably you, since you seem to ignore all the other angles on the show just to go on about how Hogan and Bischoff segments are all TNA seems to focus on, ignoring most of the other things on the show that get built up. Seems like just putting over the minority as the majority. I think even the Terry/Magnus feud has more time than the Nasties do. |
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Post by GaTechGrad on Mar 16, 2010 19:56:39 GMT -5
I haven't watched Raw in the last two weeks, but it doesn't sound like they're doing main events with Hornswoggle and Napoleon Dynamite anymore. I could be wrong, but it doesn't sound like they're doing endless skits with Santino, Hornswoggle, and Jillian either. Wrestling fans should at least appreciate TNA for getting WWE to up its game. I don't have a clue why some fans would want to see TNA fail so badly, because it just means more endless SNL-lite skits on Raw.
I didn't think last night's Impact was horrible, but there did seem to be a couple of "why" moments. As others have stated, Beer Money were getting huge face reactions, and they turn them heel. Why? The whole Sting/RVD confrontation took a backseat to Hogan's saga to get back in the ring. Why? The whole Bischoff hair shaving deal sould have been built up for a couple of weeks, if not a month.
TNA has already played all of their Ace cards (Hogan, Flair, Hardy, RVD). WWE has played theirs (Hart, Austin) and they still have Rock of their sleeve. It will be interesting to see how things shake out after this period of surprise returns each week ends.
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 16, 2010 19:57:47 GMT -5
And thank you for that. NXT is practically built on the young formula and it is extraordinary. Sure it has some pros,but the main focus is the young and new talent Bullcrap. It's all about the new guys with the ESTABLISHED PEOPLE!. That's the problem. If NXT was just new guys, it'd be just them wrestling, doing their own little feuds and PPV matches instead of using guys from the other shows to help them. EDIT: and considering their ratings have dropped 3 weeks since, maybe they should quit, since they're FAILURES and all.....  |
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Post by Dub H on Mar 16, 2010 20:03:03 GMT -5
I haven't watched Raw in the last two weeks, but it doesn't sound like they're doing main events with Hornswoggle and Napoleon Dynamite anymore. I could be wrong, but it doesn't sound like they're doing endless skits with Santino, Hornswoggle, and Jillian either. Wrestling fans should at least appreciate TNA for getting WWE to up its game. I don't have a clue why some fans would want to see TNA fail so badly, because it just means more endless SNL-lite skits on Raw. I didn't think last night's Impact was horrible, but there did seem to be a couple of "why" moments. As others have stated, Beer Money were getting huge face reactions, and they turn them heel. Why? The whole Sting/RVD confrontation took a backseat to Hogan's saga to get back in the ring. Why? The whole Bischoff hair shaving deal sould have been built up for a couple of weeks, if not a month. TNA has already played all of their Ace cards (Hogan, Flair, Hardy, RVD). WWE has played theirs (Hart, Austin) and they still have Rock of their sleeve. It will be interesting to see how things shake out after this period of surprise returns each week ends. Maybe they want them to fail on this way: "Maybe if they fail they will notices how bad that is" |
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Post by Greer on Mar 16, 2010 20:04:28 GMT -5
Sure it has some pros,but the main focus is the young and new talent Bullcrap. It's all about the new guys with the ESTABLISHED PEOPLE!. That's the problem. If NXT was just new guys, it'd be just them wrestling, doing their own little feuds and PPV matches instead of using guys from the other shows to help them. Missing the point entirely. The FOCUS of the show is on the young talent. That's the "plot" of the show. Getting the young guys over. The established guys are their to give them some rub. That's all. The primary focus of the show is to get you to become familiar with these new guys and their charcters while mixing them up with the current stars. The focus is on the young talent. |
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 16, 2010 20:06:24 GMT -5
Bullcrap. It's all about the new guys with the ESTABLISHED PEOPLE!. That's the problem. If NXT was just new guys, it'd be just them wrestling, doing their own little feuds and PPV matches instead of using guys from the other shows to help them. Missing the point entirely. The FOCUS of the show is on the young talent. That's the "plot" of the show. Getting the young guys over. The established guys are their to give them some rub. That's all. The primary focus of the show is to get you to become familiar with these new guys and their charcters while mixing them up with the current stars. The focus is on the young talent. So, even with most of the PPV slots being owned by the young talent, most of the championships belonging to the young talent, and even some fo teh older guys are working with, trying to put over, and focus the shots on YOUNG TALENT, it's not enough? |
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Post by Massive G on Mar 16, 2010 20:09:26 GMT -5
why would Mick Foley come out and sit in a barber's chair and agree to have his head shaved by Bischoff? why? I know that has nothing to do with anything, but seriously, wtf.
and any show that awards Shannon Moore a title shot of any kind and gives him time to give one of the worst promos of all time deserves a lousy rating.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Mar 16, 2010 20:12:26 GMT -5
why would Mick Foley come out and sit in a barber's chair and agree to have his head shaved by Bischoff? why? I know that has nothing to do with anything, but seriously, wtf. and any show that awards Shannon Moore a title shot of any kind and gives him time to give one of the worst promos of all time deserves a lousy rating. Shannon Moore, from Hell's heart I stab at thee. At least ECW had the good sense to have CM punk slap him in the face and then squash him on his first day on TV. |
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Post by Clarence "Showstealer" Mason on Mar 16, 2010 20:13:36 GMT -5
 It's actually not as bad as I thought it would be but it's still a pretty poor number |
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Post by Orange on Mar 16, 2010 20:15:40 GMT -5
Bullcrap. It's all about the new guys with the ESTABLISHED PEOPLE!. That's the problem. If NXT was just new guys, it'd be just them wrestling, doing their own little feuds and PPV matches instead of using guys from the other shows to help them. Missing the point entirely. The FOCUS of the show is on the young talent. That's the "plot" of the show. Getting the young guys over. The established guys are their to give them some rub. That's all. The primary focus of the show is to get you to become familiar with these new guys and their charcters while mixing them up with the current stars. The focus is on the young talent. But without the established guys there NXT would do horrible ratings wise. If I was a casual viewer who had never heard or watched ROH and I tuned in and saw this little pale dude running around I wouldn't be interested. The established guys are there to keep NXT alive, the rookies can't carry a WWE show by themselves yet, without the pros there there's no reason and motivation for casual viewers to tune in. |
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Post by perucho1990 on Mar 16, 2010 20:17:37 GMT -5
No one gives a shit about Beer Money besides the IWC, they are the most overrated tag team in pro-wrestling today.
Storm has the Hulk-Hogan belly and the looks of a midcarder for life.
Roode will be upper midcarder at best.
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Post by Greer on Mar 16, 2010 20:18:24 GMT -5
Just one show? You havent been watching have you? The angles I listed have been hogging tv time for weeks. This isn't a one time thing. When I say the young guys should be getting all of it, I am referring to the non-geriatrics on the show. You can easily build a show on Angle, Anderson, Pope, RVD, Hardy, Wolfe, MCMG, Hernandez and Beer Money without Hogan popping in every 10 minutes to remind you he is there. If anyone really isn't watching, it's probably you, since you seem to ignore all the other angles on the show just to go on about how Hogan and Bischoff segments are all TNA seems to focus on, ignoring most of the other things on the show that get built up. Seems like just putting over the minority as the majority. I think even the Terry/Magnus feud has more time than the Nasties do. The number one angle in the company is Hulk Hogan vs Sting. The number one storyline is Hulk Hogan vs Sting which will lead to a Hogan/Sting match. That's your primary angle. Why? Why does that need to be the primary angle of the show and the company? There are other angles, but they are not very interesting. Angle/Anderson and this medal thing is just silly and repetitive. Beer Money turning heel is inexplicable and without good reason. Jeff Jarret as the "poor soul fighting for his job" is not interesting or new. Pope and Wolfe have 5 minute matches every week. Foley and Bischoff is pointless and if it leads to Foley/Jarret vs Beer Money...so what? I dont wanna see Jarret or Foley in the ring. By the way, your explanation of one show having a primary focus each week is exactly whats wrong with TNA. There is no focus. One week they wanna have the MCMG on the show, the next week they are nowhere to be found. One week they focus on the X Division, the next week they wont have one single X Division match. It's too inconsistent. Right now the focus of the company is on Sting/Hogan. No excuse for that |
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 16, 2010 20:19:59 GMT -5
Don't blame me...for once, I watched IMPACT all the way through.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 16, 2010 20:20:28 GMT -5
It's actually not as bad as I thought it would be but it's still a pretty poor number It's apparently the worst number TNA has drawn since 2006, when they were in their late night time slot. It's time to panic. |
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Post by comahan on Mar 16, 2010 20:20:59 GMT -5
If Id have disagreed with the others, Id have pointed that out I do agree with some things, ya know. Just because I dont focus on negatives all the time (for either company), and just like to argue about why I LIKE things instead of why I hate them doesnt mean that I'll jump on anyone that dislikes TNA. Theres plenty about the company that I dont like, I just dont enjoy being negative about it, and would much rather just post about the stuff I like. And when I argue in favor of things, its because I like it and disagree with it (typically) getting trashed. Like the Beer Money angle. I think its been well done, and will argue against the opinion of it making no sense. Fair enough. I want to like TNA but some things just frustrate me because I try to like it and support it, but they just do things that are not going to help them in the long run. There are some good things in TNA. But if you want to get better ratings, get noticed and be competitive, it's only right to point out what's wrong and needs to be fixed. If you don't address the negatives, you won't know what to fix. But I'm not the one thats going to fix them, so why should I spend all of my time disliking something and dissecting whats wrong with everything instead of enjoying what I can about it? Thats pretty much how I look at it. Im sure most people who watch it enjoy SOMETHING about it, or else why watch it? It's such a sinking feeling after watching a show that I enjoyed to get online to talk about it, and only encounter constant negativity about 99% of the stuff I liked. (I realize someone will just throw the "Its the internet, it comes with the territory! You dont have to read the forums!" argument at me, and Id gladly take your advice and stop... If I knew anyone else that liked wrestling that I could have a conversation with without wanting to repeatedly stab myself) Its just like, there are some people who have been on this board for over 3 years doing nothing but crapping on the product and saying what SHOULD be going on. Whats the point? Sooner or later, youd think theyd realize that its never going to be what they want it to be, and that sometimes, something just isnt your cup of tea. There are several other products out there that I'm sure would save their heads from repeated slams against the table. Uhg, apologies for the rant. Just frustrated and annoyed by the overwhelmingly grim outlook towards things by a lot of people. |
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Post by Greer on Mar 16, 2010 20:22:00 GMT -5
Missing the point entirely. The FOCUS of the show is on the young talent. That's the "plot" of the show. Getting the young guys over. The established guys are their to give them some rub. That's all. The primary focus of the show is to get you to become familiar with these new guys and their charcters while mixing them up with the current stars. The focus is on the young talent. But without the established guys there NXT would do horrible ratings wise. If I was a casual viewer who had never heard or watched ROH and I tuned in and saw this little pale dude running around I wouldn't be interested. The established guys are there to keep NXT alive, the rookies can't carry a WWE show by themselves yet, without the pros there there's no reason and motivation for casual viewers to tune in. Thats the point. The established guys are there to give the young guys the rub., but the established guys are not dominating the show. That was my whole point...so...umm...yea. |
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Post by nonrev on Mar 16, 2010 20:22:07 GMT -5
Since their segments get better ratings, maybe TNA should just hire more women and make Impact a show centered on the Knockouts division. until that happens they might as well just give the knockouts the opening segment and the main-event slots |
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 16, 2010 20:24:57 GMT -5
If anyone really isn't watching, it's probably you, since you seem to ignore all the other angles on the show just to go on about how Hogan and Bischoff segments are all TNA seems to focus on, ignoring most of the other things on the show that get built up. Seems like just putting over the minority as the majority. I think even the Terry/Magnus feud has more time than the Nasties do. The number one angle in the company is Hulk Hogan vs Sting. The number one storyline is Hulk Hogan vs Sting which will lead to a Hogan/Sting match. That's your primary angle. Why? Why does that need to be the primary angle of the show and the company? There are other angles, but they are not very interesting. Angle/Anderson and this medal thing is just silly and repetitive. Beer Money turning heel is inexplicable and without good reason. Jeff Jarret as the "poor soul fighting for his job" is not interesting or new. Pope and Wolfe have 5 minute matches every week. Foley and Bischoff is pointless and if it leads to Foley/Jarret vs Beer Money...so what? I dont wanna see Jarret or Foley in the ring. By the way, your explanation of one show having a primary focus each week is exactly whats wrong with TNA. There is no focus. One week they wanna have the MCMG on the show, the next week they are nowhere to be found. One week they focus on the X Division, the next week they wont have one single X Division match. It's too inconsistent. Right now the focus of the company is on Sting/Hogan. No excuse for that The real problem here is that, you keep saying it's all about the old guys, yet when I point out it isn't, you just say it doesn't matter to you. All you seem to focus on is Sting vs. Hogan, which just happened last week. And all you can point is how things CAN happen. Hogan CAN get back in the ring, and Hogan CAN do this and that to annoy you. It's pretty much just going by just hate for the person rather than what is actually happening on the screen. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Mar 16, 2010 20:26:56 GMT -5
Sure it has some pros,but the main focus is the young and new talent Bullcrap. It's all about the new guys with the ESTABLISHED PEOPLE!. That's the problem. If NXT was just new guys, it'd be just them wrestling, doing their own little feuds and PPV matches instead of using guys from the other shows to help them. EDIT: and considering their ratings have dropped 3 weeks since, maybe they should quit, since they're FAILURES and all..... Another of the strawman arguments I hate. If NXT was doing what TNA is now, they wouldn't be just pairing Daniel Bryan with Miz, they'd be trying to make Daniel Bryan INTO Miz, like TNA is trying to do with AJ. Doing a character you don't originate and don't have an organic connection with is never a good idea. How many people honestly thought "gee, this guy is sort of like Flair" when they looked at AJ? Let AJ get over as AJ, not "that guy who tries to act like Flair but he's not as cool" (which most fans will likely think of him as when they try to watch him). And if this is as good as they can get with RVD, Flair, Anderson, Angle, Hogan AND Jeff Hardy (the 2nd hottest babyface in North America last year)...they should probably start rethinking the "value" that their expensive acquisitions produce. |
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Post by Greer on Mar 16, 2010 20:26:56 GMT -5
Fair enough. I want to like TNA but some things just frustrate me because I try to like it and support it, but they just do things that are not going to help them in the long run. There are some good things in TNA. But if you want to get better ratings, get noticed and be competitive, it's only right to point out what's wrong and needs to be fixed. If you don't address the negatives, you won't know what to fix. But I'm not the one thats going to fix them, so why should I spend all of my time disliking something and dissecting whats wrong with everything instead of enjoying what I can about it? Thats pretty much how I look at it. Im sure most people who watch it enjoy SOMETHING about it, or else why watch it? It's such a sinking feeling after watching a show that I enjoyed to get online to talk about it, and only encounter constant negativity about 99% of the stuff I liked. (I realize someone will just throw the "Its the internet, it comes with the territory! You dont have to read the forums!" argument at me, and Id gladly take your advice and stop... If I knew anyone else that liked wrestling that I could have a conversation with without wanting to repeatedly stab myself) Its just like, there are some people who have been on this board for over 3 years doing nothing but crapping on the product and saying what SHOULD be going on. Whats the point? Sooner or later, youd think theyd realize that its never going to be what they want it to be, and that sometimes, something just isnt your cup of tea. There are several other products out there that I'm sure would save their heads from repeated slams against the table. Uhg, apologies for the rant. Just frustrated and annoyed by the overwhelmingly grim outlook towards things by a lot of people. Their is a grim outlook because there will be grim results if they don't fix their problems. I'm not a booker and obviously I cant fix TNA, but if I see things that in my opinion suck, I'm gonna say it and say why. I'm not gonna just stop watching it completely because they have some guys I wanna see, but when those guys are thrown into crap, and the show isnt very good, then I'm gonna mention it. |
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