Dub H
Crow T. Robot
Captain Pixel: the Game Master
I ❤ Aniki
Posts: 48,530
|
Post by Dub H on Mar 16, 2010 21:00:00 GMT -5
That was a joke about how NXT is better than RAW,TNA and SD! But your points are valid And since from what I hear, John Cena will be appearing on NXT, WWE smells blood. If its just somes segment,some minutes,and not wrestle a match,im okay.Its not like they will have the whole RAW main eventers there |
|
AriadosMan
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Your friendly neighborhood superhero
Posts: 15,620
|
Post by AriadosMan on Mar 16, 2010 21:00:13 GMT -5
No it is absolutely fair because ratings wise, NXT is WWE's C Show. If you cant even compete with the show, you should just get out of Monday Night so you can hope to save any type of paying fanbase. Sure Spike may have a thick skin on this, but you know who doesnt.....sponsors. That would be true if the show dropped from a 5.0 to a 0.8. iMPACT,though, has mostly hovered in that range of audience. Its still a cruddy rating in comparison to OMFG WE FIRED THE FIRST SHOT HIRED HOGAN AND INVADED MONDAY NIGHTS or whatever the hell TNA tried to spin its feud with WWE as. But hey, its Panda's cash, not mine. If they want to waste their cash trying to imitate Napoleon's invasion of Russia, I can't convince them otherwise. |
|
|
|
Post by Michael Coello on Mar 16, 2010 21:13:00 GMT -5
Saying that a run is a failure for one bad moment is almost as shortsighted as calling a company horrible for one bad angle. That's the issue. People don't wait for the outcomes to be developed. the show can drop more or go higher, but people will keep saying how much it's a failure every step of the way instead of waiting to see how it develops later on. Oh trust me I am waiting, with TNA that's all you can do since we are always perpetually waiting for something to happen in TNA. I am waiting, it's been 3 months and they have been consistently losing people and doing poorly. In any other working environment when new management comes in to "fix" things and the outcome is poor or worse than it was just 5 months ago that is considered failure. and they don't usually get 3 months worth of "wait and see time" to get it right. Just because the network and Dixie are playing the parent that pats you on the head and says "at least you tried" doesn't make it any less of a failure. How about this, they are currently failing. Is that better? Also please keep in mind that I don't think they are about to go out of business and that this is clearly the end of TNA because it isn't, it's just a misfire...the latest of many. You talk about waiting 3 months, but all this failure talk is what happening in the course of 2 WEEKS. Also, I really find it hard to call anything before then a failure, other than the last two shows before the change. |
|
|
|
Post by Orange on Mar 16, 2010 21:28:17 GMT -5
2 Weeks? I'm counting from 1/4 to now daddy, going from your highest rating ever to right back to where you were when you first started is not good no matter how you slice it. The highest rated show was due in part (in my opinion of course) due to the shock factor of another show going up against WWE again. It was all due to shock, the shock factor's gone, now everything has gone back to normal. TNA can get back to those ratings, the main thing here is time, they need time. They've needed time to get here, they need time to get back to those ratings. |
|
|
|
Post by Richard on Mar 16, 2010 21:37:55 GMT -5
2 Weeks? I'm counting from 1/4 to now daddy, going from your highest rating ever to right back to where you were when you first started is not good no matter how you slice it. That was a 3 hour show were the first hour, unopposed did a 1.5. The part against RAW did TNA's usual 1.1 |
|
|
|
Post by Orange on Mar 16, 2010 21:39:31 GMT -5
2 Weeks? I'm counting from 1/4 to now daddy, going from your highest rating ever to right back to where you were when you first started is not good no matter how you slice it. That was a 3 hour show were the first hour, unopposed did a 1.5. The part against RAW did TNA's usual 1.1Didn't know that, so maybe they haven't lost that many fans after all. |
|
|
|
Post by donners on Mar 16, 2010 21:58:29 GMT -5
2 Weeks? I'm counting from 1/4 to now daddy, going from your highest rating ever to right back to where you were when you first started is not good no matter how you slice it. That was a 3 hour show were the first hour, unopposed did a 1.5. The part against RAW did TNA's usual 1.1 Not even close. It did 1.7, 1.5 and 1.2 hourly ratings, for an overall average of 1.5. Have a look at the breakdown: 8:00pm – 9:00pm 1.58 1.70 1.78 1.71 9:00pm – 10:00pm 1.88 1.30 1.42 1.16 10:00pm – 11:05pm 1.17 1.21 1.19 1.30 |
|
|
|
Post by Orange on Mar 16, 2010 22:02:19 GMT -5
That was a 3 hour show were the first hour, unopposed did a 1.5. The part against RAW did TNA's usual 1.1 Putting it like that makes it even worse. Hogan made sure to come on as soon as Raw was starting and his showing up along with the rest of the 2nd and 3rd hour only did the usual impact standard despite all the pimpage. It also basically reads that people only watched because nothing better was on and once Raw hit the airwaves, they stopped watching TNA. Or some people wanted to see Bret Hart and would've tuned in no matter what TNA was doing? Both are possible, but I'm sure Bret Hart returning had something to do with people switching over. |
|
|
|
Post by corndog on Mar 16, 2010 22:21:29 GMT -5
This week wasn't a huge disapointment, but last week was. This week TNA went against a very stacked Raw and lost what, around 200,000 viewers. But last week not even drawing a full point was pretty weak considering Raw was very weak, had a guest host nobody cared about and TNA was firing the big guns. It seems like TNA has a very loyal and consistent audience, but unfortunately they aren't getting any new fans. Considering the fact that TNA has spent boatloads of money in the last 6 months and have gained nothing, I think they need to start realizing they are not going the right direction. But I will give them a few more shows before this is declared a failure.
|
|
|
|
Post by HMARK Center on Mar 16, 2010 22:31:51 GMT -5
Really not the end of the world yet. You don't establish a ratings trend in two weeks, and over a million viewers, mostly in the biggest target, non-kid demo, will always keep the sponsors around.
Still, it goes to show this is WWE's time of the year, and if things get really bad, TNA will just slide on back to Thursday. Big deal.
As for comparing it to NXT and Superstars, does it really make that much sense to compare it to shows that have no competition going against them whatsoever? And if NXT and Superstars do beat it out...why should we give a damn? TNA's not going anywhere any time soon, and WWE's not moving a bit any time soon. The world will just continue spinning right 'round, baby, right 'round.
|
|
|
|
Post by Robbymac on Mar 16, 2010 23:13:31 GMT -5
A lot of people just jumping to call it a failure. I'd hate to see these guys when WCW Nitro was doing better than RAW for weeks and weeks. Second or third week, and there'd be calls to move to a different night before the WWF died. Nitro, at its peak, NEVER dominated Raw the way Raw is dominating Impact. In 1996 and 1997 when Nitro was the absolute hottest program on cable Raw, going head to head, was still doing numbers that are DOUBLE what TNA is doing now. I'm not saying TNA needs to abandon ship or anything, but this comparison is not a good one. |
|
Massive G
Hank Scorpio
yo hago esto
Posts: 6,224
|
Post by Massive G on Mar 17, 2010 0:26:30 GMT -5
perhaps TNA should stop worrying about a “MONDAY NIGHT WAR” and “RATINGS" until they can put out a consistently good wrestling show. I mean, realistically, even if given time, they're not going to pull WWE level ratings for the forseeable future. forget bringing in Val Venis and Brian Knobbs, etc., and just put something out there thats fun to watch and coherent. If it catches on and grows, awesome. If not, at least they tried.
its kind of like a mismanaged sports franchise. you see flashes, and the hypothtical pieces are in place. but just like you wish a super talented baseball prospect would be more patient at the plate, just to make it easier for himself to be a successful hitter, you wish AJ Styles would stop acting like Ric Flair because its pointless and stupid and it isn't doing AJ any good.
|
|
|
|
Post by King Devitt: What Plants Crave on Mar 17, 2010 0:29:30 GMT -5
So people still prefer the convoluted, repetitious, force-fed crap from up north? I guess it's true, wrestling fans ARE a bunch of dumb hicks. I guess they prefer to see the older guys who can still go over the plain OLD guys who can't. you better watch what you say brother before Abyssmania runs wild.......and crazy.....on you...... .....just sayin'...... |
|
MrBRulzOK
Wade Wilson
Mr No-Pants Heathen
Something Witty Here.
Posts: 26,719
|
Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 17, 2010 0:48:34 GMT -5
TNA's not going anywhere any time soon, Wrong. TNA is doomed the minute that Panda Energy decides to pull out. Really, that's the only thing that's keeping them afloat at the moment as well as their current deal with Spike TV. Without those two things, TNA would be dead in the water. After all, no Spike and no Panda energy means no more "big stars". And once they lose Spike, I suspect both Bischoff and Hogan will vamoose posthaste. Though really at this point would it really make that much of a difference? They pretty much ruined Hogan's mystique by casting him as an old man who might have his career ended if he steps back inside the ring. That's certainly not the role he should be playing if they expect to have him mean anything. Granted, it is pretty realistic at this point, but realism is not necessarily why people watch professional wrestling. As for Bischoff... well, other than having a grudge against and taking it out on Jarrett and Foley, what is he really necessary for? Why is he getting so many segments on a single show while the people who you would think they'd like to focus on, such as Pope and AJ Styles, are rendered basically as afterthoughts in comparison? It be different if they were setting up some sort of payoff between them, but that doesn't seem to be the case. After all, where can you go when you given away his comeuppance for free on television? What's next, a Loser Gets Scalped match? Of course, that's not to say that is going to happen anytime soon. After all, I suspect that Dixie is probably way too invested into the company at this point to give up until things are completely hopeless. And really, at the moment they are not quite that bad. However, the possibility is certainly there. This rating for certain can't help matters in that regard. |
|
|
|
Post by Orange on Mar 17, 2010 0:52:26 GMT -5
TNA's not going anywhere any time soon, Wrong. TNA is doomed the minute that Panda Energy decides to pull out. Really, that's the only thing that's keeping them afloat at the moment as well as their current deal with Spike TV. Without those two things, TNA would be dead in the water. After all, no Spike and no Panda energy means no more "big stars". And once they lose Spike, I suspect both Bischoff and Hogan will vamoose posthaste. Though really at this point would it really make that much of a difference? They pretty much ruined Hogan's mystique by casting him as an old man who might have his career ended if he steps back inside the ring. That's certainly not the role he should be playing if they expect to have him mean anything. Granted, it is pretty realistic at this point, but realism is not necessarily why people watch professional wrestling. As for Bischoff... well, other than having a grudge against and taking it out on Jarrett and Foley, what is he really necessary for? Why is he getting so many segments on a single show while the people who you would think they'd like to focus on, such as Pope and AJ Styles, are rendered basically as afterthoughts in comparison? It be different if they were setting up some sort of payoff between them, but that doesn't seem to be the case. After all, where can you go when you given away his comeuppance for free on television? What's next, a Loser Gets Scalped match? Of course, that's not to say that is going to happen anytime soon. After all, I suspect that Dixie is probably way too invested into the company at this point to give up until things are completely hopeless. And really, at the moment they are not quite that bad. However, the possibility is certainly there. This rating for certain can't help matters in that regard. I actually love the way that they are booking Hogan right now. If they tried to book him like he was the same wrestler he was 15-20 years ago with him wrestling each show they're only kidding themselves. This angle shows that Hogan isn't a wrestler anymore, and everyone around him knows it, he just has to realize it. It's honestly one of the best angles TNA has going now IMO, Hogan's not "immortal" anymore, he's just an authority figure. |
|
MrBRulzOK
Wade Wilson
Mr No-Pants Heathen
Something Witty Here.
Posts: 26,719
|
Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 17, 2010 0:58:38 GMT -5
Wrong. TNA is doomed the minute that Panda Energy decides to pull out. Really, that's the only thing that's keeping them afloat at the moment as well as their current deal with Spike TV. Without those two things, TNA would be dead in the water. After all, no Spike and no Panda energy means no more "big stars". And once they lose Spike, I suspect both Bischoff and Hogan will vamoose posthaste. Though really at this point would it really make that much of a difference? They pretty much ruined Hogan's mystique by casting him as an old man who might have his career ended if he steps back inside the ring. That's certainly not the role he should be playing if they expect to have him mean anything. Granted, it is pretty realistic at this point, but realism is not necessarily why people watch professional wrestling. As for Bischoff... well, other than having a grudge against and taking it out on Jarrett and Foley, what is he really necessary for? Why is he getting so many segments on a single show while the people who you would think they'd like to focus on, such as Pope and AJ Styles, are rendered basically as afterthoughts in comparison? It be different if they were setting up some sort of payoff between them, but that doesn't seem to be the case. After all, where can you go when you given away his comeuppance for free on television? What's next, a Loser Gets Scalped match? Of course, that's not to say that is going to happen anytime soon. After all, I suspect that Dixie is probably way too invested into the company at this point to give up until things are completely hopeless. And really, at the moment they are not quite that bad. However, the possibility is certainly there. This rating for certain can't help matters in that regard. I actually love the way that they are booking Hogan right now. If they tried to book him like he was the same wrestler he was 15-20 years ago with him wrestling each show they're only kidding themselves. This angle shows that Hogan isn't a wrestler anymore, and everyone around him knows it, he just has to realize it. It's honestly one of the best angles TNA has going now IMO, Hogan's not "immortal" anymore, he's just an authority figure. I didn't necessarily say that it's a bad idea. After all, it makes perfect sense. Really, I'm glad that Hogan is not trying to book himself completely as the unstoppable super babyface of old. The problem is though that it doesn't seem to be resonating with the audience. Otherwise they would've certainly drawn a bigger rating with the recent tag match between him and Ric Flair. It also didn't help that they had the babyfaces get their revenge the week BEFORE the actual match. Honestly at that point who could possibly want to see the match? After all, Hogan and Abyss already won and got their revenge. What more do we need to see? But really the whole point is moot since the match was basically nothing more than a backdrop for the start of yet another attempt at turning Sting heel. Granted they did try to redo the match earlier, but I gurantee that it didn't attract nearly as many eyeballs as it could have had they decided not to have the first non segment. |
|
|
|
Post by celticjobber on Mar 17, 2010 1:01:20 GMT -5
Wolfe (who very easily could've chose WWE over TNA) Desmond was going to choose WWE but he couldn't pass their physical examination, so he had no choice but to go to TNA. |
|
|
|
Post by wcw on Mar 17, 2010 2:14:53 GMT -5
Nothing to panic about really. Sure its a bad rating but they were going up against Raw at its best and the show was taped (Not to mention the show wasn't that good not terrible but not very good either) which meant some fans didn't feel the need to tune into Impact because they knew what was going to happen.
Next week thanks to it being live I expect Impact to pop back up to a 1.0 or better. TNA isn't going to leave Mondays anytime soon. In TV in general anytime you move a shows timeslot its going to hurt its ratings no matter what (At least in the short term).
So TNA 2 weeks into its time shift has had a slip in ratings not to mention they shifted its time right up against a show that competes directly for some of its audience.
Spike, Hogan, Carter and TNA in general have this planned out they are going to stick with the show on Monday for at least 6 months give it time to find its audience and advertise the show more. I don't honestly believe they were expecting big ratings at first.
Even if they are disappointed they had some sort of plan as to what the worst case scenario could be as far as ratings went.
|
|
JMA
Hank Scorpio
Down With Capitalism!
Posts: 6,880
|
Post by JMA on Mar 17, 2010 2:46:44 GMT -5
RVD vs. Sting is what the fans want to see apparently. Also Knockouts. Change show accordingly.
|
|
Dave at the Movies
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
VINTAGE D-DAY DAVE! Always cranking dat thing.
Posts: 18,228
|
Post by Dave at the Movies on Mar 17, 2010 3:29:14 GMT -5
Wow, a .11 drop after the Hall and Nash segment, I guess Hall and Pac should be losing Sunday since they aren't really good at keeping viewers on the show How dare you!!!  ;D Wolfe (who very easily could've chose WWE over TNA) Desmond was going to choose WWE but he couldn't pass their physical examination, so he had no choice but to go to TNA. Where did you hear that? Physical examination? Like a drug test? I think that is total NEWZ. I heard he verbally agree to be in WWE but they took way to long to sign him so he chose TNA instead. |
|
