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Post by Jacob Lee on Jul 13, 2010 2:03:30 GMT -5
First, TNA copied the Money In the Bank concept. Second, they run the Montreal angle as soon as Bret Hart is back with WWE. Now they're basically combining two previous WWE angles (The ECW alliance and Nexus) to copy.
I don't hate TNA, but they make it hard to like them. I'm not going to bash the execution of the angle because it hasn't aired and that would be ignorant. However, it wouldn't kill TNA to come up with something original instead of every angle pretty much being "Remember when this happened somewhere else?!?!"
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 13, 2010 3:11:31 GMT -5
I have negativity for this angle for the same reason I had negativity to when the WWE tried to bring back ECW years ago - ECW IS DEAD. Its been dead for years. The pro wrestling industry in general should be looking to its future, not waxing nostalgic over its past. Other than a few fans chanting ECW...who said this has anything to do with ECW? Are you saying that people who used to work for ECW can no long work in a ring anywhere? Oh come on now. You're gonna tell me that a stable of former ECW wrestlers doing facedowns with other former ECW wrestlers has nothing to do with ECW? The only reason they haven't used the ECW name is because Vince owns it. It's like saying The Band had nothing to do with the nWo. This whole thing is just another attempt to cash in on the unending nostalgia held by a small but vocal minority of wrestling fans instead of actually looking to the future of the business in general. And yeah, Rhino sucks. That only tangentially has anything to do with what we're talking about, but I felt it was important to throw it out there anyways.
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Post by josh on Jul 13, 2010 6:49:19 GMT -5
First, TNA copied the Money In the Bank concept. Second, they run the Montreal angle as soon as Bret Hart is back with WWE. Now they're basically combining two previous WWE angles (The ECW alliance and Nexus) to copy. Just because it includes ECW guys doesn't make it a ripoff of the ECW-WWE alliance, and I certainly see NO connection to the Nexus storyline. The Nexus angle was about a bunch of disgruntled rookies ticked off at management for being held down and degraded and wanting to make an impact. This is...well, not that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2010 7:31:54 GMT -5
First, TNA copied the Money In the Bank concept. Second, they run the Montreal angle as soon as Bret Hart is back with WWE. Now they're basically combining two previous WWE angles (The ECW alliance and Nexus) to copy. Just because it includes ECW guys doesn't make it a ripoff of the ECW-WWE alliance, and I certainly see NO connection to the Nexus storyline. The Nexus angle was about a bunch of disgruntled rookies ticked off at management for being held down and degraded and wanting to make an impact. This is...well, not that. In all fairness, it could be the veteran version of that, its too soon to tell. We could hear a promo from the ECW guys talking about how they're disgruntled and ticket off at TNA management for not respecting them as legendary wrestlers or something. Then it would basically be a MEM ripoff, which is at least a more recent TNA rip off of a WCW angle. So as far as TNA goes, ripping off your own promotion's decent idea from last year is slightly better than ripping off a decade dead promotion even if you are trading off another dead promotion's name that is technically owned by your rival promotion. Original ideas - TNA could use some. I liked it better when TNA's ideas were at least original, albeit a little corny.
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Post by primetime110 on Jul 13, 2010 9:14:38 GMT -5
Just because it includes ECW guys doesn't make it a ripoff of the ECW-WWE alliance, and I certainly see NO connection to the Nexus storyline. The Nexus angle was about a bunch of disgruntled rookies ticked off at management for being held down and degraded and wanting to make an impact. This is...well, not that. In all fairness, it could be the veteran version of that, its too soon to tell. We could hear a promo from the ECW guys talking about how they're disgruntled and ticket off at TNA management for not respecting them as legendary wrestlers or something. Then it would basically be a MEM ripoff, which is at least a more recent TNA rip off of a WCW angle. So as far as TNA goes, ripping off your own promotion's decent idea from last year is slightly better than ripping off a decade dead promotion even if you are trading off another dead promotion's name that is technically owned by your rival promotion. Original ideas - TNA could use some. I liked it better when TNA's ideas were at least original, albeit a little corny. Almost everything in wrestling today is a ripoff of sorts. To be fair, It would be hard to come up with something original because almost everything has been done. NXT comes off as a NWO ripoff to me. Angle wise. Not chosing sides or calling anyone out but WWE and TNA ripoff storylines no matter how long since any certain angle has been done. Sometimes done with a little twist to it here and there.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 13, 2010 9:19:33 GMT -5
ECW died 10 years ago.
TNA bringing out Al Snow, Raven, Devon and Tommy Dreamer does nothing to excite me
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2010 10:00:55 GMT -5
In all fairness, it could be the veteran version of that, its too soon to tell. We could hear a promo from the ECW guys talking about how they're disgruntled and ticket off at TNA management for not respecting them as legendary wrestlers or something. Then it would basically be a MEM ripoff, which is at least a more recent TNA rip off of a WCW angle. So as far as TNA goes, ripping off your own promotion's decent idea from last year is slightly better than ripping off a decade dead promotion even if you are trading off another dead promotion's name that is technically owned by your rival promotion. Original ideas - TNA could use some. I liked it better when TNA's ideas were at least original, albeit a little corny. Almost everything in wrestling today is a ripoff of sorts. To be fair, It would be hard to come up with something original because almost everything has been done. NXT comes off as a NWO ripoff to me. Angle wise. Not chosing sides or calling anyone out but WWE and TNA ripoff storylines no matter how long since any certain angle has been done. Sometimes done with a little twist to it here and there. Original ideas aren't that hard to come up with. The bigger problem is that people are too timid to make an original storyline. TV, movies and wrestling producers - for the most part - are so worried about turning a profit that they'd rather bore us with the usual storylines that they know will sell tickets/ad space rather than take a chance artistically. Its our fault for watching it, but what can you do? I guess I should rephrase it then. Original ideas - TNA wrestling could use some.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 13, 2010 10:19:36 GMT -5
Everyone here is bitching and moaning right now. The reports are the brawl came off awesome... who cares if it's older guys or raping ECW's corpse ...
Enjoy it if it works. Then bitch if it doesn't.
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Post by spongeboobnopants on Jul 13, 2010 10:27:03 GMT -5
Not sure why I'm using the "spoiler tag" but wanted to be safe since I've never used it. This is about a possible injury already: {Spoiler} per prowrestling.net
The ECW group is RVD, Dreamer, Richards, Rhino, Raven, Devon, agent Al Snow, and agent Pat Kenney. Dixie Carter came out at the end and said she invited the ECW guys. That might be where TV ends. Dreamer and Jarrett then had a meeting on the ramp. Suddenly, Brother Ray came storming down and threw Dreamer off the stage. Ray went after Devon, but ECW cleared him. Dreamer limped off, of note, selling a legit injury. ECW stood tall as Morgan continued to tease going after ECW until Dixie told him to get to the back. ECW then stood tall to close the taping. Very wild scene that will be interesting to see play out on TV.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2010 10:29:59 GMT -5
Everyone here is bitching and moaning right now. The reports are the brawl came off awesome... who cares if it's older guys or raping ECW's corpse ... Enjoy it if it works. Then bitch if it doesn't. Because I want to see NEW characters - not decade old ones. I'll bitch now thanks!
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jul 13, 2010 11:30:20 GMT -5
Here's the thing: all those ECW people are old, tired names. I don't care to watch them. If Heyman comes in to lead them as part of some storyline, I won't tune in.
Now -- if Heyman came in, lost all the old WWE castaways and worked with just TNA branded names, now we're onto something fresh and original. That gives me a reason to check out TNA.
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Post by Paul on Jul 13, 2010 12:24:01 GMT -5
TNA has no faith in their own talent and has to look to ECW has-beens. This company is so screwed.
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 13, 2010 12:33:46 GMT -5
TNA has no faith in their own talent and has to look to ECW has-beens. This company is so screwed. There's something to this. I mean, at least with Nexus, they're pushing 7 NEW people
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Post by Orange on Jul 13, 2010 12:38:43 GMT -5
TNA has no faith in their own talent and has to look to ECW has-beens. This company is so screwed. To be fair this is one angle, I don't think it is TNA not having faith in their guys. I mean, to be fair WWE has done the same thing with ECW. Now if they go and give one of these ECW guys the World Championship then yes there is a problem, but until then this is one angle of many.
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Post by sabu on Jul 13, 2010 13:28:47 GMT -5
If the guys can work, are motivated and good on the mic then I don't mind this idea. If they are just collecting a pay check for nostalgia, then it will be a flaming pile of poo.
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Post by sabu on Jul 13, 2010 13:31:33 GMT -5
who is Pat Kennedy?
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jul 13, 2010 14:14:20 GMT -5
Pat Kenney. He's Simon Diamond.
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Post by Orange on Jul 13, 2010 14:32:16 GMT -5
Everyone here is bitching and moaning right now. The reports are the brawl came off awesome... who cares if it's older guys or raping ECW's corpse ... Enjoy it if it works. Then bitch if it doesn't. Because I want to see NEW characters - not decade old ones. I'll bitch now thanks! Pope AJ Styles Samoa Joe Jay Lethal Kaz Generation Me MCMG Abyss Amazing Red Anderson Matt Morgan Rob Terry Doug Williams Shannon Moore Jesse Neal Robert Roode James Storm Hernandez Homicide There's new characters for ya. Now looking over that list, is one angle with old guys really that big of a deal?
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Post by EJS on Jul 13, 2010 20:53:48 GMT -5
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Post by slickster on Jul 13, 2010 22:10:41 GMT -5
TNA has no faith in their own talent and has to look to ECW has-beens. This company is so screwed. To be fair this is one angle, I don't think it is TNA not having faith in their guys. But it's the MAIN angle for the next month of television, not some Xplosion-only storyline.
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