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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Aug 10, 2010 13:11:28 GMT -5
Was this Dreamer's idea, or someone else's? Who knows, all that matters is that he clearly supported it 100%.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 10, 2010 13:14:18 GMT -5
WWE did do this stuff back in the day too, as FSin said. Since TNA is aspiring to be WWE from ten years ago I'm not shocked. This is far from the most tasteless thing TNA's ever done.
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Post by joeverfield on Aug 10, 2010 13:17:33 GMT -5
Man, when did wrestling become so pc? The kids were in no real danger, and if dreamer wanted to expose his children to that I don't see the issue. It may not be the course I would take, but I'd bet they will grow up and be positive parts of society despite seeing their father in a wrestling match. Benoit says hey
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Post by Neo Het Is Evil Dead on Aug 10, 2010 13:22:03 GMT -5
Gah I hate people like this. I've been watching ECW since I was seven years old and you know what? I've never once gotten into a real fight with someone. You know why? Because ECW taught me what could possibly happen if I got into a fight with someone. How are kids supposed to know not to get into fights if they don't know what's going to happen in one? I mean seriously these are the sort of people whose kids accidently shot each other because they don't know how dangerous a gun is.
I mean seriously You have to teach your kids about things like guns and violence because they're not going to learn this stuff on there own and if they don't know about it they're going to end up hurting themselves or others with there ignorance.
Blah It's called Trial By Fire and it's been pretty effective on me because I've never commited crime yet I know kids from school who didn't watch ECW and didn't see violent movies and you know where they are? They're either in jail , dead or in a gang and I'm not and you know why? Because my mother was smart enough to let see me movies of what would happen to me if I did join a gang or commited a crime.
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Post by comahan on Aug 10, 2010 13:23:33 GMT -5
Just re-watched the match because of this thread.
Before the kids were escorted away, the only things remotely vicious were the drop toehold into the chair that caused the bladejob, then Tommy was tossed to ringside and Raven ran to him with the chair extended and hit him with a weak shot to the head (not a swing, just ran at him with it)
Raven then taunted Beulah and the kids, and they were taken away. Somehow, I dont think that should draw any comparisons to Foley taking 8000 full shots while having his hands bound.
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Post by sabu on Aug 10, 2010 13:27:06 GMT -5
If those are Dreamer's kids, it's his decision on how he parents them and what decisions he makes. I felt it was akward, but it's not my call b/c they aren't my kids.
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Post by joeverfield on Aug 10, 2010 13:27:12 GMT -5
Dreamer took nothing even remotely close to the beating that Foley took at the Rumble. Like, no where near the same stratosphere. That, and his kids were taken away to the back right after the original bladejob (so beulah could do the run-in later), so they werent there to see 75% of the match. But did he not crawl up to them. I don't care if it's a whole match or 1 minute. Seeing your father like that isn't any better. And that was 1999, this is 2010, a lot of stuff has happened since then. It was just unclassy and shows how TNA still can't let go of the past and be original... But hey, go have a kid and then go fake wrestle and then get hit with a chair and slice yourself open and then crawl up to them and see what happens...
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Post by Alex Shelley on Aug 10, 2010 13:29:56 GMT -5
I'm one of the biggest Dreamer fans on the planet, and I'll excuse pretty much anything he does. But this isn't one of those times. It wasn't right.
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Post by Orange on Aug 10, 2010 13:43:23 GMT -5
This was absolutley classless and apthetic on Dixie's part. For her to allow that shows how F'n inept she is. Seriously she should not be in charge of anything. She's about as useful as SoCal Val at ringside... These are your kids watching you bleed right in front of them. With the ref, who had his own children witness first hand as he got his brains bashed in by the Rock. I am so sick of Dixie and how (profanity galore) she is. "Fire Russo" NO.. FIRE DIXIE Oh Jesus Christ. Because Dixie did this without Dreamer's consent, and Dreamer had nothing to do with it right? Give me a break, Dreamer had as much to do with this as Dixie, so why do you say FIRE DIXIE? Why not FIRE DREAMER too?
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 10, 2010 13:45:39 GMT -5
Man, when did wrestling become so pc? The kids were in no real danger, and if dreamer wanted to expose his children to that I don't see the issue. It may not be the course I would take, but I'd bet they will grow up and be positive parts of society despite seeing their father in a wrestling match. Benoit says hey people need to get over it.
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 10, 2010 13:47:58 GMT -5
Dreamer took nothing even remotely close to the beating that Foley took at the Rumble. Like, no where near the same stratosphere. That, and his kids were taken away to the back right after the original bladejob (so beulah could do the run-in later), so they werent there to see 75% of the match. But did he not crawl up to them. I don't care if it's a whole match or 1 minute. Seeing your father like that isn't any better. And that was 1999, this is 2010, a lot of stuff has happened since then. It was just unclassy and shows how TNA still can't let go of the past and be original... But hey, go have a kid and then go fake wrestle and then get hit with a chair and slice yourself open and then crawl up to them and see what happens... if you do it enough times they will either think it's cool or be bored with it :-\
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Aug 10, 2010 13:49:39 GMT -5
people need to get over it. Kinda one of those cases where it's hard to "Get over it".
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Post by Matt Rogers on Aug 10, 2010 13:49:50 GMT -5
Gah I hate people like this. I've been watching ECW since I was seven years old and you know what? I've never once gotten into a real fight with someone. You know why? Because ECW taught me what could possibly happen if I got into a fight with someone. How are kids supposed to know not to get into fights if they don't know what's going to happen in one? I mean seriously these are the sort of people whose kids accidently shot each other because they don't know how dangerous a gun is. I mean seriously You have to teach your kids about things like guns and violence because they're not going to learn this stuff on there own and if they don't know about it they're going to end up hurting themselves or others with there ignorance. Blah It's called Trial By Fire and it's been pretty effective on me because I've never commited crime yet I know kids from school who didn't watch ECW and didn't see violent movies and you know where they are? They're either in jail , dead or in a gang and I'm not and you know why? Because my mother was smart enough to let see me movies of what would happen to me if I did join a gang or commited a crime. Off topic but I enjoy you talking about Trial By Fire with Barnes in your sig. It's as though he's giving a speech.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 10, 2010 13:50:13 GMT -5
Go further than that. Criticize him for the show itself
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 10, 2010 13:55:26 GMT -5
people need to get over it. Kinda one of those cases where it's hard to "Get over it". It's ruining wrestling, and no one really is addressing the real issues.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 10, 2010 13:56:54 GMT -5
What Benoit did has absolutely nothing to do with "bring with your kids to a violent wrestling show".
The alternative, of course, is for wrestling to become so horrified with offending people that it becomes obsolete as an entertainment format.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Aug 10, 2010 14:17:37 GMT -5
Hmmm, I'm a bit on the fence about this to be honest. Was it necessary? No, I don't think it really was. It didn't add that much to the story that Beulah alone wouldn't have done.
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Neither parent seemingly had a problem with it. Both Beulah and Tommy were there while the girls were, and as someone said in an earlier post, their children, their call.
What is interesting to me is that despite quite a few people now saying they thought it was a terrible idea having the girls at ringside, no one created a post stating this opinion either while the match was ongoing or immediately afterwards. It took nearly two days for the rest of the IWC to register its disapproval before we started to pass comment.
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Post by joeverfield on Aug 10, 2010 14:24:05 GMT -5
What Benoit did has absolutely nothing to do with "bring with your kids to a violent wrestling show". The alternative, of course, is for wrestling to become so horrified with offending people that it becomes obsolete as an entertainment format. bring...your...kids...to...a...violent...wrestling...show hmmmm where in that sentence does it sound justifiable to bring a child... Now i hate kids but the reason is because of how crap parenting has become over the years but thats another story. With the Benoit thing, I'm saying, that whether adult or child, the long term psychological effects are there... They may be 2 different cases but they still will have a damaging effect.
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 10, 2010 14:36:51 GMT -5
What Benoit did has absolutely nothing to do with "bring with your kids to a violent wrestling show". The alternative, of course, is for wrestling to become so horrified with offending people that it becomes obsolete as an entertainment format. bring...your...kids...to...a...violent...wrestling...show hmmmm where in that sentence does it sound justifiable to bring a child... Now i hate kids but the reason is because of how crap parenting has become over the years but thats another story. With the Benoit thing, I'm saying, that whether adult or child, the long term psychological effects are there... They may be 2 different cases but they still will have a damaging effect. I am not even sure what you are talking about here. I would guess you dont either.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 10, 2010 14:41:25 GMT -5
Benoit didn't bring his kids with them most of the time. He killed them. Scaring little kids at a wrestling show and KILLING THEM are hugely different things. I don't think Dreamer will ever do anything bad to his.
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