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Post by stealthamo on Aug 10, 2010 23:40:10 GMT -5
Personally, I have no problem if kids are watching at that age, seeing as I was as well (with parental consent, of course). The problem I have with Dreamer is that he was ok with his children watching somebody beat the holy hell out of him. If I were one of those kids, I wouldn't want to see my dad get beat up either. And I think in this case, you should think about worse case scenario. What happens if something happened to Tommy during the match? They would be without a dad, and better yet, they saw what happened. That's a pretty traumatic experience to have (not that I've gone through it). So, yeah, Tommy made the wrong decision here, IMO.
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Post by cactussam on Aug 10, 2010 23:53:33 GMT -5
The way how everyone seems to be overreacting is that dreamer put the razors in the kids hands and just had them cut away. I wonder if people would have been saying the same thing when Tyler was in the feud with Raven and Sandman, and hell he was actually involved in the angle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 23:53:34 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? If I were a professional wrestler, I would use my kids as a foreign object. Only Tommy and Mrs. Tommy know if they can handle it.
You know when kids get "the birds and bees" rundown? I imagine being a little Dreamer would lead to a similar coming of age question: "Daddy, why do you get your ass handed to you all the time?"
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Post by Sero on Aug 11, 2010 1:19:23 GMT -5
No, don't play coy with me. That is PRECISELY the argument you were making! You bring the point that getting shot might kill you is the exact same way that Dreamer's kids might be affected by seeing a second of bloodshed? No, No, No. That's an extreme. What the kids saw was not something as extreme in experiencing as getting shot. Thus, we can actually have the perception of this not affecting them, as their limited exposure and responses after the fact suggest that this isn't going to make them suffer! You don't know one way or another! That is precisely my point. You cannot say what the result of the Laughlin girls being exposed to watching their father take a vicious beating will be. There might be no consequences to it, but there might be serious ones. Since we don't know either way, the fact that there might be any is enough to not want two 6-year-old children watch their father bleed like a pig. The fact that I have to reach to such ridiculous hyperbole to make this point says more about your inability to comprehend it than anything else. It's a very simple premise. Everything MIGHT have bad consequences, I could cross the street and I MIGHT get run over, I could walk outside and MIGHT get hit by a meteor, I'm pretty sure 2 little girls who saw a guy get powerbombed through a flaming table would have a problem seeing daddy, who I'm sure told him it would happen before, would have a problem seeing him bleed for 2 seconds before going backstage. Where, according to NEWZ, they had a good time.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Aug 11, 2010 3:27:10 GMT -5
Another little thing that people are seemingly not noticing is who Tommy was against in the match. The fact that he wasn't up against some random wrestler, but against someone who he has been friends outside of the ring with for a long time, and someone his children recognise, know and trust would, IMO, make it a lot easier for the girls to accept the idea that anything they saw was just a game.
The problem with Mick Foley's kids in Beyond the Mat was that they WERE old enough to believe what was happening was real and horrible.
The age of Dreamer's children makes it more feasible that they would accept that "Daddy and Uncle Scotty are just playing".
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Aug 11, 2010 3:56:36 GMT -5
That's true. But sometimes assuming the worst is the smartest thing you can do. No it isn't, If you always assume the worst, you will never be able to pull yourself around to do it. It's one of the major things that cause Anxiety. Hence why I said SOMETIMES. Obviously you shouldn't assume the worst about everything. There are situations though where predicting that something bad might happen can be helpful. A good reason not to get involved with them for one.
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Post by Larryhausen on Aug 11, 2010 4:33:14 GMT -5
Everybody who is getting angry and outraged at this is forgetting one thing.
None of us have been brought up in the business.
Dreamer's kids obviously have. Obviously, Tommy has had to have conversations with his girls telling them that he's "going to work" and that, while it may LOOK like he's getting hurt, everything is fine. These are kids who are being raised by TWO people in the business. You have to realize that they have been prepared for this.
We are all basing our opinions on what we think our kids would think if they saw us get busted open. But there's a difference. If our kids saw us get busted open like that, then, yes, they might be traumatized, because they would have not been prepared for it. Growing up in the business, you have no choice BUT to be prepared for it.
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Post by Reg the Veg on Aug 11, 2010 5:29:25 GMT -5
i don't feel that any of us have the right to comment on how someone raises their kids unless we know the facts. which we don't.
we don't know what tommy's kids are like. they've grown up with a dad as a wrestler, they've probably seen this all before, even if not in a live setting. they probably know what their dad does for a living, and know that he bleeds on purpose. the only report relating to how the girls were affected says that they we're having fun that night, so the only scrap of evidence one way or the other dictates that everything is ok.
and before someone comments something along the lines of how seeing your dad bleeding from the head is never ok, this is wrestling. if your father is a wrestler, seeing him bleed from the head in a controlled environment (bearing in mind they were probably informed of this ahead of the match) affects you in a completely different way to anyone else of your age.
i'm all for protecting children, but to criticise someone as a parent when we know more or less nothing about who they are or what they actually have gone through, is out of order.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Aug 11, 2010 9:45:21 GMT -5
the way the rags describe it make it sound alot more evil than it was, should they have done it? probably not, but wasn't the worst thing in the world, his daughters are fine being Tommy Dreamer's kid >>>>>>> being Wade Keller's kid Agreed.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 11, 2010 9:54:32 GMT -5
No, don't play coy with me. That is PRECISELY the argument you were making! You bring the point that getting shot might kill you is the exact same way that Dreamer's kids might be affected by seeing a second of bloodshed? No, No, No. That's an extreme. What the kids saw was not something as extreme in experiencing as getting shot. Thus, we can actually have the perception of this not affecting them, as their limited exposure and responses after the fact suggest that this isn't going to make them suffer! You don't know one way or another! That is precisely my point. You cannot say what the result of the Laughlin girls being exposed to watching their father take a vicious beating will be. There might be no consequences to it, but there might be serious ones. Since we don't know either way, the fact that there might be any is enough to not want two 6-year-old children watch their father bleed like a pig. The fact that I have to reach to such ridiculous hyperbole to make this point says more about your inability to comprehend it than anything else. It's a very simple premise. To be fair, spontanious combustion could happen, everyone would catch fire, and they could have been killed from that. It is a bad argument. Just because it might happen doesn't mean it will. Believe me, when I'm at work we do task hazard assesments, and we assess the risk of what could happen. Now, at the site, there is an airport close by. Should I write down the potential for a terrorist attack to happen on the construction site? No, because that's way too farfetched to look out for, not to mention, it would be tough to put in a control for that. Dreamer obviously assessed the risk, and they were taken out when things got bad. Not only that, but Droz and D'lo Brown had a match, it wasn't "hardcore" or whatever, but Droz ended up paralyzed. s*** happens. I'm sure there were kids who saw that. Would you be considered a bad parent if you took your kids to see an athletic competition, and you ended up getting injured like that. I'm sure Dreamer's kids knew what was going to happen, so they expected certain things. And once again, the thing people forget most. When things got really violent, they were taken away. Because Tommy Dreamer is NOT a bad father. I don't know the guy personally. And hell, I don't know if I'd consider Mick Foley a bad father, even if he regretted putting his kids through his match with The Rock. And, not to mention, The Rock went off in a different direction during the match. This needs to be in bold. When things were starting to get more violent, they were taken away.Hopefully I won't have to make that text larger and use all caps or something later on.
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Aug 11, 2010 10:00:08 GMT -5
People overlook what sort of things traumatise children too much.
Was a completely dumb move having them there.
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Post by AndyUK on Aug 11, 2010 10:33:31 GMT -5
Seriously, guys, its none of your business. They're Dreamer's kids and I'm sure they know all about wrestling by now. They went away before it started getting really bad anyway. Stop blowing everything out of proportion for gods sake.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Aug 11, 2010 10:50:35 GMT -5
i don't feel that any of us have the right to comment on how someone raises their kids unless we know the facts. which we don't. we don't know what tommy's kids are like. they've grown up with a dad as a wrestler, they've probably seen this all before, even if not in a live setting. they probably know what their dad does for a living, and know that he bleeds on purpose. the only report relating to how the girls were affected says that they we're having fun that night, so the only scrap of evidence one way or the other dictates that everything is ok. and before someone comments something along the lines of how seeing your dad bleeding from the head is never ok, this is wrestling. if your father is a wrestler, seeing him bleed from the head in a controlled environment (bearing in mind they were probably informed of this ahead of the match) affects you in a completely different way to anyone else of your age. i'm all for protecting children, but to criticise someone as a parent when we know more or less nothing about who they are or what they actually have gone through, is out of order. Also about the children of wrestlers, they aren't the only children who've seen their father get the holy hell beaten out of him but what about beating the holy hell out of someone else? Bret brought his kids to watch his Wrestlemania 13 match with Stone Cold, considered one of the great matches ever and look what he did to Austin. They even had closeups of his daughter covering her eyes. Does that make Bret a bad dad? Even Bret watched his father get strapped to a stretcher and attacked at a young age.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Aug 11, 2010 12:03:48 GMT -5
Oh my god.. really... BFD.
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Post by Ace Baretta on Aug 11, 2010 12:19:00 GMT -5
Everybody who is getting angry and outraged at this is forgetting one thing. None of us have been brought up in the business. Dreamer's kids obviously have. Obviously, Tommy has had to have conversations with his girls telling them that he's "going to work" and that, while it may LOOK like he's getting hurt, everything is fine. These are kids who are being raised by TWO people in the business. You have to realize that they have been prepared for this. We are all basing our opinions on what we think our kids would think if they saw us get busted open. But there's a difference. If our kids saw us get busted open like that, then, yes, they might be traumatized, because they would have not been prepared for it. Growing up in the business, you have no choice BUT to be prepared for it. [glow=red,2,300]THIS[/glow]Jeez, people, calm the hell down.
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Post by Lardlad on Aug 11, 2010 13:18:28 GMT -5
Was I the only one expecting Raven to walk over and lick their foreheads?!
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Post by Alex Shelley on Aug 11, 2010 13:40:47 GMT -5
I feel like I'm surrounded by people who have never taken a psychology class.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2010 14:58:02 GMT -5
Who cares?
Truth be told, I imagine his kids have seen his work at some point before and all Dreamer's ever been good for is getting his ass kicked.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Aug 11, 2010 15:11:07 GMT -5
If your argument is that it shouldn't matter because Tommy's children have been informed about the business, then why was it reported that people backstage, presumably wrestlers, were upset about the decision themselves? Would they not have a similar assessment if they too were involved in the business?
Sure, it may be nothing more than newz, but you don't know that for sure. Not all backstage news reported is fake after all.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 11, 2010 15:55:59 GMT -5
I feel like I'm surrounded by people who have never taken a psychology class. Do most people take psychology classes?
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