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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 10, 2010 19:43:04 GMT -5
......Really? You're comparing a fake wrestling match to getting shot and possibly killed? That's the most absurd argument I've heard today. You're right. That would be an absurd argument...if it were the one I was making. If you can't see the argument that I'm making, then I can see why you'd have no problem with Dreamer exposing his kids to violence like that. No, don't play coy with me. That is PRECISELY the argument you were making! You bring the point that getting shot might kill you is the exact same way that Dreamer's kids might be affected by seeing a second of bloodshed? No, No, No. That's an extreme. What the kids saw was not something as extreme in experiencing as getting shot. Thus, we can actually have the perception of this not affecting them, as their limited exposure and responses after the fact suggest that this isn't going to make them suffer!
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Aug 10, 2010 19:44:46 GMT -5
Jumping off a skyscraper might kill you then again it might not. Does that mean that you should do it? Being in a war might result in you dying but then again it might not. Does that mean you want to risk participating in one? Sticking your hand in a jar full of one million dollars and one deadly scorpion might result in you becoming rich and then again it might not. Does that mean you're willing to risk reaching inside? Just because something is only a remote possibility does not mean that doing it is a good idea. Okay, what the f*** is up with this goddamn morbid line of questions, especially since Tommy Dreamer, at NO POINT during the match, was ever in danger of dying?!Professional wrestling is a risky business. Just ask that poor fellow who was accidentally killed while working with the Great Khali. Sure, it was his own fault for working with a concussion at the time without telling anyone beforehand, but that doesn't mean that stepping into the ring is not dangerous. The possibility is there. I'm not trying to say that Dreamer was going to kill himself in the ring, but the possibility is always there. You can only control so much in the ring.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Aug 10, 2010 19:47:54 GMT -5
You're right. That would be an absurd argument...if it were the one I was making. If you can't see the argument that I'm making, then I can see why you'd have no problem with Dreamer exposing his kids to violence like that. No, don't play coy with me. That is PRECISELY the argument you were making! You bring the point that getting shot might kill you is the exact same way that Dreamer's kids might be affected by seeing a second of bloodshed? No, No, No. That's an extreme. What the kids saw was not something as extreme in experiencing as getting shot. Thus, we can actually have the perception of this not affecting them, as their limited exposure and responses after the fact suggest that this isn't going to make them suffer! You don't know one way or another! That is precisely my point. You cannot say what the result of the Laughlin girls being exposed to watching their father take a vicious beating will be. There might be no consequences to it, but there might be serious ones. Since we don't know either way, the fact that there might be any is enough to not want two 6-year-old children watch their father bleed like a pig. The fact that I have to reach to such ridiculous hyperbole to make this point says more about your inability to comprehend it than anything else. It's a very simple premise.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 10, 2010 19:52:31 GMT -5
Okay, what the f*** is up with this goddamn morbid line of questions, especially since Tommy Dreamer, at NO POINT during the match, was ever in danger of dying?!Professional wrestling is a risky business. Just ask that poor fellow who was accidentally killed while working with the Great Khali. Sure, it was his own fault for working with a concussion at the time without telling anyone beforehand, but that doesn't mean that stepping into the ring is not dangerous. The possibility is there. I'm not trying to say that Dreamer was going to kill himself in the ring, but the possibility is always there. You can only control so much in the ring. Except he wasn't like Khali, as both men in the ring were expects at what they do. Raven knew what to do. Same with Tommy. Yes, accident can happen, but going through everything assuming the worst is not the way to deal with every situation that occurs.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Aug 10, 2010 19:52:52 GMT -5
Let people raise their own kids.
Would I let my kid go watch wrestling when he's 6? No, but I'm not going to criticize others for doing so.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Aug 10, 2010 19:52:53 GMT -5
Wait so Sandaman using his kid in an angle is the greatest ever according to the iwc but dreamer gets iwc hate for it? Sorry but this is where I say bullcrap on the iwc. They are his kids. If he feels they are responsible enough it is no one else's business. I was 7 when I started watching wrestling and this was right before the attitude era.
Are we really arguing about this when there are real issues like kids getting beaten by their parents? Sure beating your kids is your choice but god forbid you take them to a wrestling show.
Shouldnt we make the same outrage when a kid is in a bloody action or horror movie.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Aug 10, 2010 19:56:24 GMT -5
Professional wrestling is a risky business. Just ask that poor fellow who was accidentally killed while working with the Great Khali. Sure, it was his own fault for working with a concussion at the time without telling anyone beforehand, but that doesn't mean that stepping into the ring is not dangerous. The possibility is there. I'm not trying to say that Dreamer was going to kill himself in the ring, but the possibility is always there. You can only control so much in the ring. Except he wasn't like Khali, as both men in the ring were expects at what they do. Raven knew what to do. Same with Tommy. Yes, accident can happen, but going through everything assuming the worst is not the way to deal with every situation that occurs. That's true. But sometimes assuming the worst is the smartest thing you can do. Anyone who thinks that exposing their daughters to a bloodied parental figure and doesn't automatically assume the worst has a questionable pattern of thought if you ask me. It's definitely not going to win Dreamer a father of the year award. You have weigh both the pros and cons of a situation when it comes to things like these.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 10, 2010 19:57:50 GMT -5
No, don't play coy with me. That is PRECISELY the argument you were making! You bring the point that getting shot might kill you is the exact same way that Dreamer's kids might be affected by seeing a second of bloodshed? No, No, No. That's an extreme. What the kids saw was not something as extreme in experiencing as getting shot. Thus, we can actually have the perception of this not affecting them, as their limited exposure and responses after the fact suggest that this isn't going to make them suffer! You don't know one way or another! That is precisely my point. You cannot say what the result of the Laughlin girls being exposed to watching their father take a vicious beating will be. There might be no consequences to it, but there might be serious ones. Since we don't know either way, the fact that there might be any is enough to not want two 6-year-old children watch their father bleed like a pig. The fact that I have to reach to such ridiculous hyperbole to make this point says more about your inability to comprehend it than anything else. It's a very simple premise. And the solution to dealing with a situation where you don't know either or is to take the absolute WORST view you could take for it? Really, for all the posturing made here, it seems to skip what actually happened, how much they were exposed to, and mostly going on about the intent of it rather than the actual event itself.
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Post by B.B.M on Aug 10, 2010 19:58:27 GMT -5
Except he wasn't like Khali, as both men in the ring were expects at what they do. Raven knew what to do. Same with Tommy. Yes, accident can happen, but going through everything assuming the worst is not the way to deal with every situation that occurs. That's true. But sometimes assuming the worst is the smartest thing you can do. No it isn't, If you always assume the worst, you will never be able to pull yourself around to do it. It's one of the major things that cause Anxiety.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Aug 10, 2010 20:01:06 GMT -5
Personally, I wouldn't have brought my kids to see me in a match like that.
But then, I have a feeling that Dreamer knows more about what his kids can handle than I do, so I don't feel the need to get outraged over this.
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Post by Error on Aug 10, 2010 20:03:01 GMT -5
Alright everyone, it's getting heated in here. Take a deep breath, count to infinity and, calm down please
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 20:03:25 GMT -5
Dreamer probably has 1st blood matches with his kids all the time.
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Post by smokey1980 on Aug 10, 2010 20:06:27 GMT -5
I still like Dreamer, but can find no way to justify this. I won't harp on it, just adding myself to the list of those who disapprove.
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Post by golding on Aug 10, 2010 21:47:45 GMT -5
Man, when did wrestling become so pc? The kids were in no real danger, and if dreamer wanted to expose his children to that I don't see the issue. It may not be the course I would take, but I'd bet they will grow up and be positive parts of society despite seeing their father in a wrestling match. This is the post I agree with. I've been wondering the same thing, lately. D-Day Dave brings up a great inconsistency with Sandman's kid being part of an angle being widely praised, too. So much ado about nothing. This is why you don't let dirt sheets do the thinking for you.
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 10, 2010 21:58:36 GMT -5
Okay, what the f*** is up with this goddamn morbid line of questions, especially since Tommy Dreamer, at NO POINT during the match, was ever in danger of dying?!Professional wrestling is a risky business. Just ask that poor fellow who was accidentally killed while working with the Great Khali. Sure, it was his own fault for working with a concussion at the time without telling anyone beforehand, but that doesn't mean that stepping into the ring is not dangerous. The possibility is there. I'm not trying to say that Dreamer was going to kill himself in the ring, but the possibility is always there. You can only control so much in the ring. this is getting asinine
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 10, 2010 22:14:20 GMT -5
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 10, 2010 22:27:28 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, his kids were escorted out before the match got violent.
So yeah...5 pages of people flipping out over nothing. Has Benoit really made people this paranoid and PC?
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Aug 10, 2010 22:40:34 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, his kids were escorted out before the match got violent. So yeah...5 pages of people flipping out over nothing. Has Benoit really made people this paranoid and PC? Okay, how about this, I don't think it was WISE that Tommy Dreamer had his kids are ringside, at least in terms of how it will reflect PRwise with the company. I believe someone SHOULD have stopped it. I don't agree that six year olds should be watching that sort of thing, period. Not because it will scar them, but because kids may imitate. Lord knows I've taken wrestling moves when I was a kid, that I didn't know how to properly protect myself from. All in all, I have faith that Dreamer knows what he is doing with his kinds. But beyond the ramifications of their psyche I feel that this will reflect poorly on TNA in people's opinions. Hell it is happening here.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Aug 10, 2010 22:40:48 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, his kids were escorted out before the match got violent. So yeah...5 pages of people flipping out over nothing. Has Benoit really made people this paranoid and PC? Sadly, yes and it's destroying many peoples love of wrestling.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Aug 10, 2010 22:42:48 GMT -5
Man, when did wrestling become so pc? *Insert a million swears here* No freaking kidding. I'm with you. There has to be a point in time when some reactions to this kind of thing stop blowing my mind, but I'm somehow still not there. *Insert a million more swears* EDIT: I didn't get to page 2 before I posted, because I know I'd just shake my head a most of the posts, so I just quoted and agreed and moved on. Given the context of the apparent "heated discussion," I figured I'd better clarify that my "million swears" was more for dramatic effect, rather than upending the mod's attempt to calm everyone down.
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