Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 6, 2010 20:47:38 GMT -5
The saddest thing of all, *IF* this is true is that so many people saw this coming from day 1, yet somehow Dixie and company didnt.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 6, 2010 20:51:40 GMT -5
About the whole "They said the same about WCW in 2000", TNA hasn't really spent NEARLY as much as WCW did during that time. Plus, there's some actual growth still going on.
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toonami4life
Don Corleone
Better than your favorite crossover
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Post by toonami4life on Jul 6, 2010 20:53:24 GMT -5
The saddest thing of all, *IF* this is true is that so many people saw this coming from day 1, yet somehow Dixie and company didnt. The sadder thing is will be how many people of the IWC would be happy that it goes out of business.
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kingoftheiwc
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Coles whipping boy is better then you.
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Post by kingoftheiwc on Jul 6, 2010 20:55:30 GMT -5
Boy if TNA goes out of business I wonder if Vinnie Mac is going to have a huge pay day buying TNA's remanints.
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Ben Wyatt
Crow T. Robot
Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
Posts: 41,598
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 6, 2010 20:56:21 GMT -5
The saddest thing of all, *IF* this is true is that so many people saw this coming from day 1, yet somehow Dixie and company didnt. The sadder thing is will be how many people of the IWC would be happy that it goes out of business. That's a fallacy. Most people WANT TNA to succeed and become a legit promotion and a legit threat to the big dog (WWE) I can't speak for everyone, but as a viewer, it kills me to see this company shoot istelf in the foot over and over and over again. Every time they seem like they've taken a few goood steps, something (or usually) someone sends them reeling backwards
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jul 6, 2010 20:56:55 GMT -5
About the whole "They said the same about WCW in 2000", TNA hasn't really spent NEARLY as much as WCW did during that time. Plus, there's some actual growth still going on. Also the cable landscape is so much different then it was ten years ago. WCW went out of business because TNT wasn't happy with low 2s. Now, with so many channels, and so much competition, SPIKE is just happy to get a breathing palpable audience.
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Chainsaw
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It is what it is
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 6, 2010 21:06:51 GMT -5
I heard TNA may not last the hour. I didn't even know it was sick!
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Post by primetime110 on Jul 6, 2010 21:12:36 GMT -5
I find it so hard to believe that this company in shambles right now actually produced a very good product at the end of last year. WCW was looking good toward the end too. Really? It was god awful before being bought out.
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Post by Error on Jul 6, 2010 21:25:10 GMT -5
WCW was looking good toward the end too. Really? It was god awful before being bought out. The Cruisers stuff was excellent in my opinion and the midcard was solid as well. The worst was the main event angles.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 6, 2010 21:26:14 GMT -5
WCW actually did improve in the last few months. 2001 WCW, even at three months was better than 2000 and most of 99.
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Post by Orange on Jul 6, 2010 21:29:20 GMT -5
If I had a dollar for everytime I heard or read a report that TNA was going to go out of business I would have a lot of dollars right now. Frankly, I'll believe it when I see it. Exactly this.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 6, 2010 22:00:08 GMT -5
About the whole "They said the same about WCW in 2000", TNA hasn't really spent NEARLY as much as WCW did during that time. Plus, there's some actual growth still going on. You can say they haven't spent as much as WCW, but when you compare WCW's budget to TNA's, TNA has much less money to spend, so it wouldn't take as big of a loss to break them. Just playing devil's advocate here. As I said, any death for TNA, wouldn't happen for at least a year at this point.
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deeks
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Post by deeks on Jul 6, 2010 22:02:57 GMT -5
Dave Meltzer has reported TNA going out of business for years. ROH was suppose to be dead already after Cary Silken bounced some checks. Looks like both are still alive.
We also have to consider the source. Bryan Alvarez despises TNA. He seems on a one man mission to destroy the company. More than even Hulk Hogan. You don't report a company's demise without solid facts. It's one thing to say they are losing money. It's one thing to say they have to cut back on dead weight. We know those things, But when you say they won't last the year, you better back that up. Especially when they are coming off a huge house show. He has been reporting for weeks that they are the worst place on earth and in total turmoil. Why? Alvarez never really tells us. If they were half as bad as Alvarez says, they couldn't even put on Impact. He also never explains why Spike will dump them. As long as Spike is happy, TNA is fine.
So when TNA is around in 2011, Alvarez will have some excuse. Like how they nearly died or some other bs.
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Post by primetime110 on Jul 6, 2010 22:16:21 GMT -5
Really? It was god awful before being bought out. The Cruisers stuff was excellent in my opinion and the midcard was solid as well. The worst was the main event angles. I'll give you the cruisers, I forgot about them. The main event was a mess. The mid card just confused the hell out of me with face/heel turns every week I couldn't keep up with them.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jul 6, 2010 22:21:35 GMT -5
notice that the article said "might not last the year" but didn't specify which year they were referring to.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 6, 2010 22:25:29 GMT -5
notice that the article said "might not last the year" but didn't specify which year they were referring to. Alvarez will finally be redeemed when TNA closes it's doors officially in 231,401 AD, when the sun supernovas and destroys the earth.
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Krimzon
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Post by Krimzon on Jul 6, 2010 22:27:07 GMT -5
Not gonna lie. Didn't even think they'd make 8 years.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 6, 2010 23:07:58 GMT -5
Wouldn't someone with deep pockets be willing to step in and buy out Dixie Carter if it came to it, much like Turner did in 1988 with Crockett? Or does TNA have that much clout with Spike TV to be worthy of this?
The bizarre thing about TNA is that when they were "trying hard" earlier this year and did all of that crap, they produced a terrible show. Once the Monday experiment flopped and they went back to Thursdays and "stopped trying" Impact has gotten much better. In fact it's probably the best wrestling show on TV.
I've said it for years about TNA: The company has never developed a core region of business. Throughout history, every wrestling promotion has to have a consistent group of towns where they can reliably draw money. TNA first ran a fairgrounds in Nashville weekly, then moved to Orlando and Universal Studios. Jarrett would have been better off simply restarting a USWA style territory along with the weekly PPVs and expand from there. TNA was trying to be national before they were even regional.
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Post by rrm15 on Jul 6, 2010 23:10:24 GMT -5
The best thing to happen for TNA would be new management and to scale back MASSIVELY. They aren't going to compete with the WWE, period. Get rid of all the big contracts and focus more on being the WWE's alternative, not competition. Get wrestling oriented again with the X and Knockout Divisions standing out more. The problem with that is, and it's a logical though process on TNA's part, just a bit unfortunate, is the the alternative won't make NEARLY as much money as being competition will. Unfortunately for TNA, there's not a lot of middle ground as to their ultimate fate. They'll either realize that being a solid number 2 is good, or they'll keep trying different, wackier, more expensive stuff to compete, and they'll go under. Either way, we won't find out for at least another year. Yeah, but they won't be SPENDING as much either. If they weren't paying Hogan, Nash, Sting, etc, there would be less expenses overall. Also if they cut back on trying to run in bigger arenas that they clearly won't sell out it will save them money. Ideally, TNA should keep running out of one place with occasional house shows in wrestling hot spots that they have a good chance of selling out. They're too ambitious for their own good and it will ultimately do more harm than good.
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Post by PaperStreetBrigade on Jul 7, 2010 0:03:40 GMT -5
If the AOL - Time Warner merge (which forced out Turner from any useful position he once had) never happened WCW would still be going.
as long as Dixie is allowed to spend money from Panda (Which is a freaking Energy comapny, that means they are never going broke) TNA will stay alive.
Also, as long as Impact keeps getting the ratings they've been, Spike will be happy. I think Spike just considers wrestling part of their "Get More Action" tagline.
Until Dixie is told by Panda to cut TNA (which will never happen) or Spike Cuts TNA (rather unlikely)
I mean hell, Spike goes nuts everytime UFC gets a 1.1-1.5. We aren't talking about Spike setting the bar high here.
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