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Post by metylerca on Jul 7, 2010 0:15:03 GMT -5
If they did go under, at first I'd laugh. Some of their obnoxious fans will finally shut up about 'their' company being better than WWE.
Then I'd get depressed, because there'd be less wrestling on television. TNA being on TV is good for the entire sport, because it still breathes life into professional wrestling and as long as they're on television, wrestling fans will have a show to watch.
And then I'd get angry because what was once a great company with a huge upside... ended up a dead company who never really took responsibility for their own actions when hey had the chance to make some major beneficial changes by just listening to their audience.
And then I'd grow apathetic, because without another wrestling company on TV outside of WWE (I'm not counting ROH because of their limited reach), there would be no point for improvement and wrestling as a whole would suffer. WWE would never acknowledge TNA's demise because TNA is a blip on the radar, so the possibility of a TNA InVasion would be null and void, simply because many people wouldn't know or care about TNA being out of business. This goes double for those who never even knew TNA existed. What few TNA guys that would show up in WWE would never even see the top of the card because their 'drawing power' would top out at 1.1 in the eyes of the writers, much like the way WCW mainstays were treated post-WCW.
So in the end, TNA dying would probably make a bigger impact (so to speak) on the wrestling world than when TNA was in business because the after effects of it would be felt for years to come with the drop in quality of other mainstream promotions due to the lack of competition (no matter how small.)
Of course, this only goes if this news/z piece has any merit and TNA really is in trouble.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 7, 2010 0:20:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't even be depressed. All that TNA finally dying would do is open up other wrestling leagues to further growth and expansion. Sometimes a tree must die so that new trees may grow. Most of their talented younger workers could find employment in other leagues, and for Hogan/Flair, they can always hit Australia again.
TNA had a choice between going after slow but sustainable growth and doing a completely wild, illogical swing for the fences in a time that really didn't offer much chance of it working. Guess what they chose?
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Post by metylerca on Jul 7, 2010 0:24:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't even be depressed. All that TNA finally dying would do is open up other wrestling leagues to further growth and expansion. Sometimes a tree must die so that new trees may grow. Most of their talented younger workers could find employment in other leagues, and for Hogan/Flair, they can always hit Australia again. TNA had a choice between going after slow but sustainable growth and doing a completely wild, illogical swing for the fences in a time that really didn't offer much chance of it working. Guess what they chose? Hopefully if TNA does go under, which btw would be the worst case scenario, that another company can take their spot and do good with it's potential.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 7, 2010 0:27:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't even be depressed. All that TNA finally dying would do is open up other wrestling leagues to further growth and expansion. Sometimes a tree must die so that new trees may grow. Most of their talented younger workers could find employment in other leagues, and for Hogan/Flair, they can always hit Australia again. TNA had a choice between going after slow but sustainable growth and doing a completely wild, illogical swing for the fences in a time that really didn't offer much chance of it working. Guess what they chose? Hopefully if TNA does go under, which btw would be the worst case scenario, that another company can take their spot and do good with it's potential. I'm pretty sure Spike would offer ROH a shot if TNA did go, thematically they're more similar to UFC than TNA's "all 90s all the time" approach. All this is a moot point until Bob Carter or Spike (more likely the former, but possibly the latter if Spike is paying most of the big contracts) gets sick of it though. Most networks eventually cancel shows that hit a ratings plateau, even if they remain popular. If TNA tries to renegotiate their TV contract with Spike...they won't be doing it from a position of strength either. Everybody's looking to cut expenses. I'm not even sure if Vince would be that interested in acquiring their video library, unless it was REALLY cheap. TNA's existence isn't very large in comparison to most of the promotions Vince bought the footage from, and their current trajectory isn't very family friendly.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 7, 2010 0:38:06 GMT -5
Heyman. 100% control over the company with strict CFO supervision. The man made Al Snow into a main eventer.
He won't recreate ECW. But, he'll probably put on something close or better than his Smackdown run. Look at the talent he'd have to work with. Plus, he would probably come up with one angle, one quest for a title that would actually make you turn into TNA.
That being said... I wouldn't mind hearing Angle's WWE music again.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 7, 2010 0:40:18 GMT -5
Get rid of everyone added since January, basically. For better or worse. Taz too.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 7, 2010 0:41:52 GMT -5
Get rid of everyone added since January, basically. For better or worse. Taz too. And make Heel Don West color commentator again. He's the best commentator TNA has ever had.
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Post by wcw on Jul 7, 2010 0:58:06 GMT -5
Sorry but this screams NEWZ big time when any company is about to get sold they dump the big contracts. And since TNA's contracts aren't guaranteed why wouldn't they just begin to dump the bigger contracts of Nash, Flair, Hardy, Angle, Anderson, RVD, Hogan and Bischoff if they aren't guaranteed, and other bigger names?
Now I have no doubt TNA might be loosing money and that they are cutting back but come on aren't you jumping to conclusions a bit. The signs of a sinking ship just aren't there. All in all TNA has a conservative enough game plan to survive cut backs and hard times. They have expenses (The bigger contracts) that they could dump and a sure fire revenue stream (The TV deal with Spike).
All in all TNA might not be in the best shape but they are far from bankruptcy. Also I really hope this isn't true because TNA is a nice alternative from the WWE and I would hate to see people loose their jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2010 1:38:44 GMT -5
Hopefully if TNA does go under, which btw would be the worst case scenario, that another company can take their spot and do good with it's potential. I'm pretty sure Spike would offer ROH a shot if TNA did go, thematically they're more similar to UFC than TNA's "all 90s all the time" approach. All this is a moot point until Bob Carter or Spike (more likely the former, but possibly the latter if Spike is paying most of the big contracts) gets sick of it though. Most networks eventually cancel shows that hit a ratings plateau, even if they remain popular. If TNA tries to renegotiate their TV contract with Spike...they won't be doing it from a position of strength either. Everybody's looking to cut expenses. I'm not even sure if Vince would be that interested in acquiring their video library, unless it was REALLY cheap. TNA's existence isn't very large in comparison to most of the promotions Vince bought the footage from, and their current trajectory isn't very family friendly. Doesn't WWE already keep tabs on all of TNA's matches just so they have records in advance and don't have to spend countless hours on it? Pretty sure I've heard about this. Even if not, though, I'd say WWE would want their hands on that. TNA's more popular than ECW ever was so it wouldn't be too hard to down the line make some money off a memorial DVD, plus stuff like Angle / Sting could have a place on plenty of DVD sets due to the big names involved.
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Post by dh03grad on Jul 7, 2010 1:39:53 GMT -5
Heyman. 100% control over the company with strict CFO supervision. The man made Al Snow into a main eventer. He won't recreate ECW. But, he'll probably put on something close or better than his Smackdown run. Look at the talent he'd have to work with. Plus, he would probably come up with one angle, one quest for a title that would actually make you turn into TNA. That being said... I wouldn't mind hearing Angle's WWE music again. Paul Heyman is TNA's final hope. TNA has lost fans since adding Hogan,Bischoff and all of the new high priced talent. All TNA needs to be profitable is a small market share taken from WWE and its there for the taking, only if they cater their booking to point in the direction of a niche audience instead of being all encompassing sports entertainment, which you cant do without being VKM. If ECW had a financial backer and a dedicated Spike TV in 2000, they would have left WCW in the dust and still be in business today. Look at Jeff Hardy. He was WWE's most popular wrestler in 2009, a couple months removed from WWE TV, goes to TNA and goes literally nothing to raise consciousness to TNA or any ratings. How does that happen? TNA should give Heyman what he wants, jettison Hulk and Eric, and make this the last swing at the fences.
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Post by GaTechGrad on Jul 7, 2010 1:53:53 GMT -5
Since when did SpikeTV become the next "all drama" cable station?
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Post by slickster on Jul 7, 2010 2:09:08 GMT -5
Doesn't WWE already keep tabs on all of TNA's matches just so they have records in advance and don't have to spend countless hours on it? Pretty sure I've heard about this. Even if not, though, I'd say WWE would want their hands on that. TNA's more popular than ECW ever was so it wouldn't be too hard to down the line make some money off a memorial DVD, plus stuff like Angle / Sting could have a place on plenty of DVD sets due to the big names involved. On an IndeedWrestling.com podcast from 2007, a former WWE video editor claimed that WWE's video loggers do make comprehensive lists of every TNA television segment (matches, people involved, moves used, catchphrases spoken, etc.), just as they already do with all the footage in the WWE Video Library. I've already gone on record as saying I expect WWE to buy TNA's video library for $150,000 since it's much, much smaller than the Mid-Atlantic/JCP/WCW library they bought for ten times that amount.
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Post by celticjobber on Jul 7, 2010 2:14:43 GMT -5
I find it so hard to believe that this company in shambles right now actually produced a very good product at the end of last year. WCW was looking good toward the end too. And I think even at the end, WCW was getting about double or maybe even triple the ratings TNA usually gets. The thing that killed them was Jamie Kellner hating wrestling and not wanting it on his networks.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 7, 2010 2:16:25 GMT -5
WCW was looking good toward the end too. And I think even at the end, WCW was getting about double or maybe even triple the ratings TNA usually gets. Didn't they still have over 2.0s even in 2001, when their budget was cut to ribbons and the vultures were circling?
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Post by slickster on Jul 7, 2010 2:18:01 GMT -5
And I think even at the end, WCW was getting about double or maybe even triple the ratings TNA usually gets. Didn't they still have over 2.0s even in 2001, when their budget was cut to ribbons and the vultures were circling? anuary 8, 2001 2.1 January 15, 2001 2.6 January 23, 2001 2.1 January 29, 2001 2.6 February 5, 2001 2.3 February 12, 2001 2.1 February 19, 2001 2.2 February 26, 2001 2.3 March 5, 2001 2.1 March 12, 2001 2.1 March 19, 2001 2.1 March 26, 2001 3.0
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Post by deeks on Jul 7, 2010 2:18:30 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Spike would offer ROH a shot if TNA did go, thematically they're more similar to UFC than TNA's "all 90s all the time" approach. You're delusional if you think Spike is just going to slot in something that would draw a fraction of Impact's ratings. They probably never even heard of ROH. The majority of the world hasn't. They would stay away from wrestling for a long time and probably stick another CSI show in its slot. As wcw pointed out, the signs of a sinking ship aren't there. Spike could always tell TNA to lose Hogan and Sting to cut costs. Spike is not going to throw away something that built up an audience and is proven to draw a good rating for their network.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 7, 2010 2:21:29 GMT -5
Didn't they still have over 2.0s even in 2001, when their budget was cut to ribbons and the vultures were circling? anuary 8, 2001 2.1 January 15, 2001 2.6 January 23, 2001 2.1 January 29, 2001 2.6 February 5, 2001 2.3 February 12, 2001 2.1 February 19, 2001 2.2 February 26, 2001 2.3 March 5, 2001 2.1 March 12, 2001 2.1 March 19, 2001 2.1 March 26, 2001 3.0 Thanks, I knew the very last show had a higher than normal rating, but they never even went below a 2.1! Just shows you how much of a niche product TNA is in terms of overall viewership.
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Post by slickster on Jul 7, 2010 2:23:36 GMT -5
Lowest Nitro got was a 1.8 on December 11, 2000 (and April 3, 2000 for a pretaped 'history of Nitro' special).
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Post by deeks on Jul 7, 2010 2:24:22 GMT -5
Thanks, I knew the very last show had a higher than normal rating, but they never even went below a 2.1! Just shows you how much of a niche product TNA is in terms of overall viewership. You can't be serious? It was a different time. There were way more wrestling fans. Look at the ratings RAW and Smackdown use to get back then. Now they draw half that. Wrestling was drawing a combined 8.0 many Monday nights. There just isn't that audience anymore. You can't compare the Attitude Era to anything else. We'll never see that boom again.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jul 7, 2010 2:25:44 GMT -5
Lowest Nitro got was a 1.8 on December 11, 2000 (and April 3, 2000 for a pretaped 'history of Nitro' special). The "History of Nitro" was right before the Ruschoff attempted continuity reboot, right? I'm pretty sure the December 11 2000 episode happened after most of their top talent had jumped ship.
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