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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 13, 2010 16:07:30 GMT -5
If the stories of wanting him to come back when whatever it is blows over, then it will actually make things better for him. Like said before, He is leaving with a ton of heat. People will not forget the moment in a couple of months. He could come back with a better chance of being a big time player than he would of before. If the account above is right and Vince called him then I would say things are probably not in a bad way between the two. Yeah he could show up and not even have to say anything and it would be intense. Just walk out during a Cena match...
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Post by B.A. on Jun 13, 2010 16:09:20 GMT -5
It's interesting. Now the argument isn't over if he's fired, but whether or not Vince is going to bring him back. Also, there better be some light shed on this bigger situation going on in wwe.
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Post by Piccolo on Jun 13, 2010 16:11:39 GMT -5
It's interesting. Now the argument isn't over if he's fired, but whether or not Vince is going to bring him back. Also, there better be some light shed on this bigger situation going on in wwe. If the stuff from Leonard is genuinely what happened, I think it bodes well for Vince bringing him back. If he called him personally, and the new guys didn't know about the strangling rule, and everyone was really happy about it until the outside force complained, then it seems Bryan would remain in Vince's good graces. We get one week of a god angle and now him being released is the worst thing to happen ever and the whole angle is dead. It's how this is being treated. But... I mean, you do understand that seeing a guy you like getting a good story is exciting, right? And then you could also understand where his sudden termination immediately after the start of said awesome story would be surprising and dismaying, right? I guess I'm not sure I understand why you're confused about this, or why you think it's abnormal or hypocritical behavior. It all seems 100% natural, to me. If you're not just trying to kick people while they're down, and if you're genuinely befuddled about why people would be sad about the ending of an awesome angle for a guy they like, I don't know what to say. It seems self-explanatory.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 13, 2010 16:16:01 GMT -5
We get one week of a god angle and now him being released is the worst thing to happen ever and the whole angle is dead. It's how this is being treated. But... I mean, you do understand that seeing a guy you like getting a good story is exciting, right? And then you could also understand where his sudden termination immediately after the start of said awesome story would be surprising and dismaying, right? I guess I'm not sure I understand why you're confused about this, or why you think it's abnormal or hypocritical behavior. It all seems 100% natural, to me. If you're not just trying to kick people while they're down, and if you're genuinely befuddled about why people would be sad about the ending of an awesome angle for a guy they like, I don't know what to say. It seems self-explanatory. I totally understand it. It's just funny how quick things can change. That was my only point. Now he is able to go to the places people wanted him to go and is likely the most talked about person in wrestling this weekend. This could be great for his career. If he does indeed come back to the E then he's likely going to make a bigger impact.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 13, 2010 16:23:12 GMT -5
Who's going to doubt the word of Leonard F. Chikarason...he's as straight of an arrow as a straight arrow.
What stinks is that, like I've pointed out before, this is going to set a dangerous precedent for WWE, and basically signals the end of wrestlers being able to find an edge to their character, because now, instead of a warning or a slap on the wrist, people are going to be fired. Pure and simple. Danielson showed the same kind of ferocity in his character that's been missing for a while now, and his reward for it was he lost his job. We're going to see a lot of cartoonish villians from now on, and I can now see why WWE wasn't hesitant to turn it's edgiest and deadliest character, Randy Orton, into a babyface after the crowds' reactions. Even if Bryan does get hired back, he's just not going to be the same wrestler, I suspect.
As far as Danielson running WWE down over this, like some has suggested...obviously, you don't know him very well. I doubt he's going to do anything like that in any form. He's got too much respect for the business in general.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 13, 2010 16:26:48 GMT -5
Who's going to doubt the word of Leonard F. Chikarason...he's as straight of an arrow as a straight arrow. What stinks is that, like I've pointed out before, this is going to set a dangerous precedent for WWE, and basically signals the end of wrestlers being able to find an edge to their character, because now, instead of a warning or a slap on the wrist, people are going to be fired. Pure and simple. Danielson showed the same kind of ferocity in his character that's been missing for a while now, and his reward for it was he lost his job. We're going to see a lot of cartoonish villians from now on, and I can now see why WWE wasn't hesitant to turn it's edgiest and deadliest character, Randy Orton, into a babyface after the crowds' reactions. Even if Bryan does get hired back, he's just not going to be the same wrestler, I suspect. As far as Danielson running WWE down over this, like some has suggested...obviously, you don't know him very well. I doubt he's going to do anything like that in any form. He's got too much respect for the business in general. I see the E having a meeting at Raw and discussing rule changes. I think there will be set guidelines in the future for this type of stuff. If the reports are true then I see Vince calling BDB as a sign of respect. He could have just had Ace handle it but he handled it himself if true. As far as BDB bashing the E I agree with you. That's not his nature at all and I don't think he would put himself in a spot to not be able to come back if that part is true as well.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 13, 2010 16:28:29 GMT -5
Meltzer's latest update...
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 13, 2010 16:29:18 GMT -5
The other problem is, people are thinking that the sponsor who complained about it, whether they be anyone from Mattel or any other sponsor, are just going to forget that he ever worked there. I find that highly unlikely. If they hire him back, who's to say that the sponsor wouldn't try to block that again? If it's Mattel, do you think they'd jump at the chance to make an AmDrag figure at any time?
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Jun 13, 2010 16:33:34 GMT -5
I'm sure it's been said somewhere before, but wouldn't a suspension have worked?
"Sorry, Mattel (or whoever). He's new. We're going to suspend him/fine/send him back to FCW/ for awhile, so he learns not to do this again."
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Post by Psychoblue on Jun 13, 2010 16:34:24 GMT -5
In regards to Meltz's update...he's basically admitting that he thinks it's real, but there are instances where similar things have happened and it wound up being kayfabe. Well, no duh!
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Post by CM Crünk is teh 'CRAP! on Jun 13, 2010 16:39:02 GMT -5
Which story is more reliable? The one where Orton and him were smoking and they burn down the production truck with long lost wrestling footage or an outside sponsor told Vince to fire him? What do you guys think?
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Post by peltier on Jun 13, 2010 16:39:09 GMT -5
I had no idea he was the equivalent of 100 Hulk Hogans, 200 Ric Flairs, 500 Stone Colds, 1000 Rocks, and 2000 Bret Harts all combined.
From what I saw of him, he was a small, but fairly technically adept wrestler. I liked him and all, but felt he needed more time to blossom into a potential main eventer.
I was kinda surprised, but not that shocked, at his release. And yes, I heard all about his major indy successes, and he deserves respect for that, but up until now, he was just an aspiring WWE lower-midcarder to me who showed promise but never really got that far.
I don't feel the shock at all. I'm even a small-scale ROH and TNA fan, and have been exposed to my fair share of non-WWE wrestling.
I hope he does well, and maybe could return to WWE or even succeed in TNA, but consider me befuddled about the current atmosphere following his WWE release.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 13, 2010 16:41:22 GMT -5
In regards to Meltz's update...he's basically admitting that he thinks it's real, but there are instances where similar things have happened and it wound up being kayfabe. Well, no duh! He's pointing out that it wouldn't make sense to do such an elaborate storyline. His whole thing was that they have never gone as far as lying to everyone in corporate and that these kinds of things have never worked in the past so it wouldn't make sense to try now. There's not enough of a payoff.
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Post by thuschongswing on Jun 13, 2010 16:41:23 GMT -5
This REALLY worries me if true...
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Post by spagett on Jun 13, 2010 16:46:16 GMT -5
I had no idea he was the equivalent of 100 Hulk Hogans, 200 Ric Flairs, 500 Stone Colds, 1000 Rocks, and 2000 Bret Harts all combined. From what I saw of him, he was a small, but fairly technically adept wrestler. I liked him and all, but felt he needed more time to blossom into a potential main eventer. I was kinda surprised, but not that shocked, at his release. And yes, I heard all about his major indy successes, and he deserves respect for that, but up until now, he was just an aspiring WWE lower-midcarder to me who showed promise but never really got that far. I don't feel the shock at all. I'm even a small-scale ROH and TNA fan, and have been exposed to my fair share of non-WWE wrestling. I hope he does well, and maybe could return to WWE or even succeed in TNA, but consider me befuddled about the current atmosphere following his WWE release. It isn't in any way suprising that people would react strongly over this. Some people are going to be understandably upset when their favourite wrestler is fired over something which seems very unfair and harsh with the possibility that it may lead to the most exciiting thing the WWE has done in years, the NXT invasion, being shelved. Not really having seen much of him outside of WWE it's more of the fact this seems to officially signal the end of the wrestling I grew up with that has upset me more.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jun 13, 2010 16:46:39 GMT -5
Who's going to doubt the word of Leonard F. Chikarason...he's as straight of an arrow as a straight arrow. Lenny Leonard, not Leonard F. Chikarason Lenny Leonard: Commentator extraordinaire Leonard F. Chikarason: Bearded Appalachian who has been reduced to ticket collector and message board administrator by a bunch of dirty stinkin commies
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Post by hajimenoippo on Jun 13, 2010 16:48:11 GMT -5
For gosh sakes, the guy opted to go to FCW to develop and lose his ring rust. Vince likes somebody that humble.
If he plays his cards right he could be back in WWE come summerslam or earlier and win the US title off Miz or R-truth.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 13, 2010 16:48:34 GMT -5
Danielson's Twitter...
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 13, 2010 16:49:32 GMT -5
Yes, because if there is one thing this situation needs is MORE CRYPTICNESS!
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Post by Perd on Jun 13, 2010 16:50:29 GMT -5
I mean if you think this is bad. Wait till they find out Kaval's birth name is Joran Van Der Sloot. HA HA HA HA! It's FUNNY because he MURDERED an INNOCENT GIRL! It wasn't a joke about the innocent girl.
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