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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jun 13, 2010 17:10:50 GMT -5
Who's going to doubt the word of Leonard F. Chikarason...he's as straight of an arrow as a straight arrow. What stinks is that, like I've pointed out before, this is going to set a dangerous precedent for WWE, and basically signals the end of wrestlers being able to find an edge to their character, because now, instead of a warning or a slap on the wrist, people are going to be fired. Pure and simple. Danielson showed the same kind of ferocity in his character that's been missing for a while now, and his reward for it was he lost his job. We're going to see a lot of cartoonish villians from now on, and I can now see why WWE wasn't hesitant to turn it's edgiest and deadliest character, Randy Orton, into a babyface after the crowds' reactions. Even if Bryan does get hired back, he's just not going to be the same wrestler, I suspect. As far as Danielson running WWE down over this, like some has suggested...obviously, you don't know him very well. I doubt he's going to do anything like that in any form. He's got too much respect for the business in general. People don't need to spit or choke to show edge. Miz has developed a character all by himself that doesn't involve that sort of violence. So has Jericho. So has Punk. So has Edge. So has Swagger. So has Orton. So have lots of others. They aren't violent characters, but watching a PG show means you can't judge them by the amount of violence they don't show, because it's like complaining about the lack of swearing on Spongebob. You would know what you were getting into when you turned the programme on.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 13, 2010 17:12:51 GMT -5
if that is true, Daniel Bryan screwed Daniel Bryan. Also if true you'd think they wouldn't travel which such footage in a trailer and instead keep it in the vaults at titan tower. That's what makes it so unbelievable. Oily Rags + Orton = LULZ story. Again, when you do not see the never released video footage of Vince's dad and grandfather at the next MSG show, you'll know it's real. Damn real. Dude, if there was a fire outside an arena, the local papers would have said something, ESPECIALLY if something of value was lost. And that's only the tip of why that rumour is a ridiculous heaping pile of crap.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 17:15:29 GMT -5
These threads have made my head hurt if nothing else.
From Danielson's last twitter post I do seem to think that Vince has already told him when he'll be back. Not sure if it's just something that I hope for or what but that's the vibe that I get.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jun 13, 2010 17:17:54 GMT -5
Who's going to doubt the word of Leonard F. Chikarason...he's as straight of an arrow as a straight arrow. What stinks is that, like I've pointed out before, this is going to set a dangerous precedent for WWE, and basically signals the end of wrestlers being able to find an edge to their character, because now, instead of a warning or a slap on the wrist, people are going to be fired. Pure and simple. Danielson showed the same kind of ferocity in his character that's been missing for a while now, and his reward for it was he lost his job. We're going to see a lot of cartoonish villians from now on, and I can now see why WWE wasn't hesitant to turn it's edgiest and deadliest character, Randy Orton, into a babyface after the crowds' reactions. Even if Bryan does get hired back, he's just not going to be the same wrestler, I suspect. As far as Danielson running WWE down over this, like some has suggested...obviously, you don't know him very well. I doubt he's going to do anything like that in any form. He's got too much respect for the business in general. Mattell (or whoever it is) won't care if he's brought back because their ass will have been covered. Right now, their problem is that if someone decides to pick an argument with them, it will be 'Why do you sponsor a company that condones choking with household items when you cater to kids' and if Bryan was kept on screen in a prominent role both WWE and Mattell won't have a comeback. They would claim to market to kids but will look like they condone the violence. So Bryan goes. It's not about punishing Bryan. It's not about appeasing Mattell really, there's no personal vendetta. It's simply a business decision. In a couple of months he can be brought back and if someone says 'Why are you sponsoring a company that two months ago had choking on television' Mattell can say 'they fired the guy, they don't condone it'. Ass covered. If the person making the argument cares enough, they can say 'I saw him on TV again Monday night, why did they bring him back?' and WWE can then step in and say 'We fired the guy, but he deserves a second chance, have you never made a mistake?' which then makes the complainer look like a douche because most people agree that second chances are deserved. That's an acceptable media line. It's hella-annoying that whoever decided to put pressure on Vince decided to do so. But Bryan will more than likely be back. Hopefully soon.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jun 13, 2010 17:18:26 GMT -5
You know what I like about all the fake Danielson Twitter accounts? Chris Jericho is following every single one of them. I lol'd
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jun 13, 2010 17:20:55 GMT -5
You know what I like about all the fake Danielson Twitter accounts? Chris Jericho is following every single one of them. I lol'd I think he did the same with the fake Perry Saturn one
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 13, 2010 17:22:04 GMT -5
You know what I like about all the fake Danielson Twitter accounts? Chris Jericho is following every single one of them. I lol'd Jericho knows how to play the net, too. Matthew F. Hardy not the only WWE superstar who knows their way around a message board.
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Post by who throws a shoe?! on Jun 13, 2010 17:22:53 GMT -5
Who's going to doubt the word of Leonard F. Chikarason...he's as straight of an arrow as a straight arrow. What stinks is that, like I've pointed out before, this is going to set a dangerous precedent for WWE, and basically signals the end of wrestlers being able to find an edge to their character, because now, instead of a warning or a slap on the wrist, people are going to be fired. Pure and simple. Danielson showed the same kind of ferocity in his character that's been missing for a while now, and his reward for it was he lost his job. We're going to see a lot of cartoonish villians from now on, and I can now see why WWE wasn't hesitant to turn it's edgiest and deadliest character, Randy Orton, into a babyface after the crowds' reactions. Even if Bryan does get hired back, he's just not going to be the same wrestler, I suspect. As far as Danielson running WWE down over this, like some has suggested...obviously, you don't know him very well. I doubt he's going to do anything like that in any form. He's got too much respect for the business in general. Mattell (or whoever it is) won't care if he's brought back because their ass will have been covered. Right now, their problem is that if someone decides to pick an argument with them, it will be 'Why do you sponsor a company that condones choking with household items when you cater to kids' and if Bryan was kept on screen in a prominent role both WWE and Mattell won't have a comeback. They would claim to market to kids but will look like they condone the violence. So Bryan goes. It's not about punishing Bryan. It's not about appeasing Mattell really, there's no personal vendetta. It's simply a business decision. In a couple of months he can be brought back and if someone says 'Why are you sponsoring a company that two months ago had choking on television' Mattell can say 'they fired the guy, they don't condone it'. Ass covered. If the person making the argument cares enough, they can say 'I saw him on TV again Monday night, why did they bring him back?' and WWE can then step in and say 'We fired the guy, but he deserves a second chance, have you never made a mistake?' which then makes the complainer look like a douche because most people agree that second chances are deserved. That's an acceptable media line. It's hella-annoying that whoever decided to put pressure on Vince decided to do so. But Bryan will more than likely be back. Hopefully soon. Quite possibly the way it is, but hella stupid. I'd be more inclined to ask "Why do you sponsor a company that condones kicking people in the face when you cater to kids".
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Post by Raul on Jun 13, 2010 17:24:03 GMT -5
Biding my time, waiting for the right moment to speak.
Via the real Bryan Danielson's twitter
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Post by Quote the Tozz, Nevermore. on Jun 13, 2010 17:27:52 GMT -5
Biding my time, waiting for the right moment to speak. Via the real Bryan Danielson's twitter Will the real Bryan Danielson please stand up? But seriously, cryptic much? D:
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Post by hajimenoippo on Jun 13, 2010 17:28:08 GMT -5
He got the Nuclear Heatz by association from the GODZ ABOVE SENDING DOWN THE POWER OF POISON TO RUN THROUGH HIS VEINS OF DESTRUCITY!
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Post by randomranter on Jun 13, 2010 17:28:20 GMT -5
Sadly, I don't see Bryan coming back.
Apparently, this really was a corporate sponsor. If this guy is powerful/influential enough to force Vince to not only fire Bryan (and essentially neuter the biggest angle on Raw in years), but also (if the rumors are true) potentially alter the Undertaker and CM Punk's characters, then this is not the type of guy Vince is going to be willing to annoy.
And when you have to do business with someone that powerful, the last thing you want to do so try to pull one over on them. What is Vince going to do -- Rehire Bryan and just hope this guy somehow doesn't notice? Not going to happen. Vince would be risking losing a corporate sponsor and potentially being sued for breach of contract as well. This guy wanted Bryan fired, and Bryan got fired. And he's going to remain fired as long as the sponsor continues his business relationship with the WWE. And if it really is Mattel, then that pretty much would make this firing permanent. The whole line of "Vince said the door is open for a return" line could just be something Vince said to make Bryan feel better after being forced to use him as a scapegoat. Vince probably already knows that Bryan isn't coming back.
I don't buy the argument of "they can rehire him in a couple of months once the heat dies down, and tell the corporate sponsor that he won't do it again" or somesuch. People in that position of power don't believe in second chances. This guy apparently made it clear that he wanted Bryan gone. Not "Gone for a few months". Gone. And they will become very, very angry if their demands are not adhered to. . If this guy was willing to accept Bryan being gone temporarily, he'd have either been suspended, sent back to FCW, or simply removed from TV. He was fired, which is a pretty damn strong indication that this corporate guy wanted someone's head.
Business isn't as good as it was 10 years ago. Vince is no longer in position to make demands. He's now the one who has to make the concessions if he wants to keep his corporate sponsors and the millions of dollars they give him.
What's sadder about this is, as others have said, it's going to severely neuter storylines and character development going forward. Wrestlers are no longer going to be willing to do anything that might be considered "edgy" for fear of pissing off some random sponsor in a suit who doesn't know jack about the wrestling business, and becoming Hassan #3 as a result. A writer asking a wrestler to do something edgy puts that wrestler in a very bad position -- Do you say yes to the angle and risk being scapegoated like Bryan was if things go south, or do you say no and take all the usual heat, depushing, etc. that we hear often comes with refusing an angle?
We all complain that the WWE is basically churning out the same wrestler over and over with a slightly different look, a dumb name, and nothing that makes them really stand out from the others. Expect more of the same. No wrestler is going to want to stick his neck out for fear of getting his head chopped off and losing a job they worked their whole lives to get.
Now with that all being said, I'm going to go against the grain a bit. Unless Bryan has been given more information than we have about this corporate sponsor and his relationship with the WWE (which is possible), I think Bryan needs to come to the realization that despite the lip service Vince gave him over the phone, the chances of him being rehired by the WWE are slim. Bryan is in a VERY, VERY rare position of having left the wwe with a metric f***ton of momentum. IMO, he needs to capitalize on that momentum as much as he possibly can on the indy scene, in Japan, TNA or whatever company is willing to write the biggest paycheck. The angles that the indy feds can do with him basically write themselves and are a license to print money. Bryan needs to strike while the iron is hot. Sure, he may risk burning his bridges with the WWE in the process, but there's a very good chance that he'd never be able to cross them again anyway.
Vince looked out for #1 and did what's right for himself and the company. Bryan needs to do the same thing.
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Post by casualobserver on Jun 13, 2010 17:34:00 GMT -5
Biding my time, waiting for the right moment to speak. Via the real Bryan Danielson's twitter Well, I hope that clears everything up now.
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Post by Lancers on Jun 13, 2010 17:35:05 GMT -5
Couldn't they just put him in a tanning bed for three weeks, new wrestling gear, dye his hair black, give him some eye contacts, grow a goatee and call him Paco Peppernickle?
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Post by Bauertainments on Jun 13, 2010 17:40:09 GMT -5
Sadly, I don't see Bryan coming back. Apparently, this really was a corporate sponsor. If this guy is powerful/influential enough to force Vince to not only fire Bryan (and essentially neuter the biggest angle on Raw in years), but also (if the rumors are true) potentially alter the Undertaker and CM Punk's characters, then this is not the type of guy Vince is going to be willing to annoy. And when you have to do business with someone that powerful, the last thing you want to do so try to pull one over on them. What is Vince going to do -- Rehire Bryan and just hope this guy somehow doesn't notice? Not going to happen. Vince would be risking losing a corporate sponsor and potentially being sued for breach of contract as well. This guy wanted Bryan fired, and Bryan got fired. And he's going to remain fired as long as the sponsor continues his business relationship with the WWE. And if it really is Mattel, then that pretty much would make this firing permanent. The whole line of "Vince said the door is open for a return" line could just be something Vince said to make Bryan feel better after being forced to use him as a scapegoat. Vince probably already knows that Bryan isn't coming back. I don't buy the argument of "they can rehire him in a couple of months once the heat dies down, and tell the corporate sponsor that he won't do it again" or somesuch. People in that position of power don't believe in second chances. This guy apparently made it clear that he wanted Bryan gone. Not "Gone for a few months". Gone. And they will become very, very angry if their demands are not adhered to. . If this guy was willing to accept Bryan being gone temporarily, he'd have either been suspended, sent back to FCW, or simply removed from TV. He was fired, which is a pretty damn strong indication that this corporate guy wanted someone's head. Business isn't as good as it was 10 years ago. Vince is no longer in position to make demands. He's now the one who has to make the concessions if he wants to keep his corporate sponsors and the millions of dollars they give him. What's sadder about this is, as others have said, it's going to severely neuter storylines and character development going forward. Wrestlers are no longer going to be willing to do anything that might be considered "edgy" for fear of pissing off some random sponsor in a suit who doesn't know jack about the wrestling business, and becoming Hassan #3 as a result. A writer asking a wrestler to do something edgy puts that wrestler in a very bad position -- Do you say yes to the angle and risk being scapegoated like Bryan was if things go south, or do you say no and take all the usual heat, depushing, etc. that we hear often comes with refusing an angle? We all complain that the WWE is basically churning out the same wrestler over and over with a slightly different look, a dumb name, and nothing that makes them really stand out from the others. Expect more of the same. No wrestler is going to want to stick his neck out for fear of getting his head chopped off and losing a job they worked their whole lives to get. Now with that all being said, I'm going to go against the grain a bit. Unless Bryan has been given more information than we have about this corporate sponsor and his relationship with the WWE (which is possible), I think Bryan needs to come to the realization that despite the lip service Vince gave him over the phone, the chances of him being rehired by the WWE are slim. Bryan is in a VERY, VERY rare position of having left the wwe with a metric f***ton of momentum. IMO, he needs to capitalize on that momentum as much as he possibly can on the indy scene, in Japan, TNA or whatever company is willing to write the biggest paycheck. The angles that the indy feds can do with him basically write themselves and are a license to print money. Bryan needs to strike while the iron is hot. Sure, he may risk burning his bridges with the WWE in the process, but there's a very good chance that he'd never be able to cross them again anyway. Vince looked out for #1 and did what's right for himself and the company. Bryan needs to do the same thing. I remember a time when Vince was the one who was all high and mighty... now he's puckering up for nameless, faceless suits and joining thier "Kiss My Ass"Club.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 17:43:41 GMT -5
coming soon to the WWE the return of the most lethal painful effective submission hold known to man: the abdominal stretch
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Post by kingoftheiwc on Jun 13, 2010 17:54:39 GMT -5
At this rate Mattell or whoever will want the WWE to abandon the ring and set up mats and have olympic style wrestling matches take place.
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Post by Lancers on Jun 13, 2010 18:06:24 GMT -5
Corporate meeting in Stamford in the near future...
Vince: "C'mon guys! I'm bending over backwards for you guys! I got rid of Bryan. I ended the NXT invasion. I forbid all wrestlers and commentators from saying negative things towards one another. I even had Randy Orton and Sheamus resolve their feud by going out to the Olive Garden where they split the bill. What more do you want from me?
Mattel Exec: "Well...Mr. McMahon, it's a wonderful start. But..."
McMahon: "WHAT! WHAT! WHAT!"
Exec: "About this John Cena character."
McMahon: "What about him?"
Exec: "We're really fans of him."
McMahon: "HE'S OUR MOST POPULAR WRESTLER!"
Exec: "Yeah, but he's too edgy for us. I mean, his finisher is called the Attitude Adjuster. That's really pushing the envelope."
McMahon: *lowers head* "Alright. What do you suggest?"
Exec: The Lollipop Backdrop.
McMahon: *stunned silence*
Exec: "Well...."
McMahon: "If I agree to rename his finisher the Lollipop Backdrop will you least stop forcing us to have our feuds go through conflict resolution seminars before we have actual wrestling matches?"
Exec: "No deal."
Vince: *screams and rips his shirt*
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Post by derangedhermit on Jun 13, 2010 18:08:27 GMT -5
I'd mark for the Lollipop Drop
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 18:11:53 GMT -5
LOLLIPOP! LOLLIPOP! VINTAGE CENA!
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