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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 17, 2010 8:31:40 GMT -5
Yeah? Well the one before us is a bunch of staunch, old-fashioned tightwads with no sense of creativity or swagger, and the one after us is a self-destructive bunch of violent thugs struggling to become idealistic portrayals they see in the media. You see what I mean? who cares? We all got bad things to say about our predecessors and our successors. So if we're gonna say 'em, let's do it out of love. Yes, because the stuff I've seen about Justin Bieber and Twilight is done out of complete love and admiration for the generation who've watched it. Give me a break. The generations before us didn't stand on soapboxes and moan and bitch whenever something completly petty they didn't like hit the airwaves and tried to make it bigger then it is. And when they did, most people just saw them as morons and ignored them. So let me turn this back to the topic. Fred: The Movie. Apart from the target demographic and people who may watch it with kids and whatnot, who cares? Do we need all this fuss over what is a special hour+ long Nickelodeon movie or who wins at the VMAs or MTV Movie Awards or books that aren't exactly at our level? Kids watch it, they enjoy it, they may even vote for it. Do we have to pander to this need to rant and rave about stupid crap like that? Just because it was done before doesn't make it some stupid mantle we have to pick up and run with. That's why I've pretty much kept mum about Bieber/Twilight/etc. as of late (all C.R.A.M.P.S. stuff aside, but that's a different thing altogether.), because it got monotonous whining about it.
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Post by waluigi on Sept 17, 2010 8:34:08 GMT -5
Yeah? Well the one before us is a bunch of staunch, old-fashioned tightwads with no sense of creativity or swagger, and the one after us is a self-destructive bunch of violent thugs struggling to become idealistic portrayals they see in the media. You see what I mean? who cares? We all got bad things to say about our predecessors and our successors. So if we're gonna say 'em, let's do it out of love. Yes, because the stuff I've seen about Justin Bieber and Twilight is done out of complete love and admiration for the generation who've watched it. Give me a break. you misread completely. I'm saying we SHOULD do it out of love. Not that we do. You have got to be kidding, this isn't true at all. What about rock n roll and how that was made to be the devil's music? What about how hip hop got a bad rap (no pun) from every parent known to man? What about how long it took video games to be accepted in the mainstream, because people thought they taught kids to kill? What about Disco Demolition Night (yes, Disco sucks, but people thought it was the enemy of the state). The only reason you lash out at the current generation is because mass media has allowed you to see bashing of things you like more and more. "Most people ignored them?" No, kids ignored them, and went on doing what they did. Sneaking out of the house and buying s*** they were told not to, stuff like that. Edit: Okay, you're not American, that didn't click until now. So you might not be up on this and I realize that. But still, it's all the truth
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Post by Baixo Astral on Sept 17, 2010 8:38:32 GMT -5
Yeah? Well the one before us is a bunch of staunch, old-fashioned tightwads with no sense of creativity or swagger, and the one after us is a self-destructive bunch of violent thugs struggling to become idealistic portrayals they see in the media. You see what I mean? who cares? We all got bad things to say about our predecessors and our successors. So if we're gonna say 'em, let's do it out of love. Yes, because the stuff I've seen about Justin Bieber and Twilight is done out of complete love and admiration for the generation who've watched it. Give me a break. The generations before us didn't stand on soapboxes and moan and bitch whenever something completly petty they didn't like hit the airwaves and tried to make it bigger then it is. And when they did, most people just saw them as morons and ignored them. So let me turn this back to the topic. Fred: The Movie. Apart from the target demographic and people who may watch it with kids and whatnot, who cares? Do we need all this fuss over what is a special hour+ long Nickelodeon movie or who wins at the VMAs or MTV Movie Awards or books that aren't exactly at our level? Kids watch it, they enjoy it, they may even vote for it. Do we have to pander to this need to rant and rave about stupid crap like that? Just because it was done before doesn't make it some stupid mantle we have to pick up and run with. Gosh, this. Most of what I see people here being interested in has no appeal for me at all - I get the impression a composite wrestlecrapper made up of the dominant entertainment traits would like heavy metal, anime, and sci-fi/fantasy books. That's not me, but I generally check myself, prior to wrecking myself - if that's what people like, by all means criticise them, but don't connect it to some sort of downfall of the culture. We're a long way past Lawrence Welk and Lancelot Link here, people, and things are basically going okay.
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Post by biafra on Sept 17, 2010 8:39:18 GMT -5
No matter what generation they are in, if someone actually looks down on another person for their choice in entertainment, especially a frickin' kids movie they come across as an arrogant prick. Thats probably my biggest pet peeve.
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Post by waluigi on Sept 17, 2010 8:47:50 GMT -5
You all don't remember how much parents tried to outright rally against new music and ideas back in the day? Maybe not YOUR parents, but many did.
Hell, something as innocent as Pokemon was getting backlash from special interest groups for a while. And you act like because we chide people for watching stuff we think is stupid, that we're worse? Our freakin' older siblings do that!
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 17, 2010 8:49:09 GMT -5
You all don't remember how much parents tried to outright rally against new music and ideas back in the day? Maybe not YOUR parents, but many did. Hell, something as innocent as Pokemon was getting backlash from special interest groups for a while. And you act like because we chide people for watching stuff we think is stupid, that we're worse? Our freakin' older siblings do that! How about stuff aimed at younger audiences? Why complain about something like Dora the Explorer if it isn't aimed at you?
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Post by waluigi on Sept 17, 2010 8:54:08 GMT -5
You all don't remember how much parents tried to outright rally against new music and ideas back in the day? Maybe not YOUR parents, but many did. Hell, something as innocent as Pokemon was getting backlash from special interest groups for a while. And you act like because we chide people for watching stuff we think is stupid, that we're worse? Our freakin' older siblings do that! How about stuff aimed at younger audiences? Why complain about something like Dora the Explorer if it isn't aimed at you? Maybe because you're a parent with a kid who watches it all day and night, and it's starting to grate on your nerves? Maybe cause your silly little brother quotes it every ten minutes? Maybe cause you just don't think it holds up to the stuff you used to watch? I mean that's as valid as anything, despite what the peanut galleries out there like to say. I mean, come on. We can't validly criticize something cause it's outside of our demographic? Who came up with that, and where is he now? I wanna slap him.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 17, 2010 8:55:57 GMT -5
How about stuff aimed at younger audiences? Why complain about something like Dora the Explorer if it isn't aimed at you? Maybe because you're a parent with a kid who watches it all day and night, and it's starting to grate on your nerves? Maybe cause your silly little brother quotes it every ten minutes? Maybe cause you just don't think it holds up to the stuff you used to watch? I mean, come on. We can't validly criticize something cause it's outside of our demographic? Who came up with that, and where is he now? I wanna slap him. It just seems kinda petty. Would you like some guy to judge you based on your preferences? I sure wouldn't.
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Post by waluigi on Sept 17, 2010 8:58:27 GMT -5
Maybe because you're a parent with a kid who watches it all day and night, and it's starting to grate on your nerves? Maybe cause your silly little brother quotes it every ten minutes? Maybe cause you just don't think it holds up to the stuff you used to watch? I mean, come on. We can't validly criticize something cause it's outside of our demographic? Who came up with that, and where is he now? I wanna slap him. It just seems kinda petty. Would you like some guy to judge you based on your preferences? I sure wouldn't. DUDE, people judge you all the time! That's what I was saying in the first place. EVERY GENERATION HAS A BONE TO PICK WITH THE OTHERS. Before, after, or during! That's the point! I can tell you right now, a bunch of 13 year olds are LMAO'ing at how their parents watch a bunch of "silly old crap" on TV every night. "I don't like that dumb old people's stuff, it's so stupid and boring. They're so lame and old!" Sound familiar?
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 17, 2010 9:02:53 GMT -5
It just seems kinda petty. Would you like some guy to judge you based on your preferences? I sure wouldn't. DUDE, people judge you all the time! That's what I was saying in the first place. EVERY GENERATION HAS A BONE TO PICK WITH THE OTHERS. Before, after, or during! That's the point! I can tell you right now, a bunch of 13 year olds are LMAO'ing at how their parents watch a bunch of "silly old crap" on TV every night. "I don't like that dumb old people's stuff, it's so stupid and boring. They're so lame and old!" Sound familiar? Just because people do it, doesn't make it right.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Sept 17, 2010 9:11:15 GMT -5
While we're on the subject, let me state that I never judge somebody else because of their interests. I may not enjoy it, and I may give it a negative review (such as Twilight). But, that does not mean I feel the people who enjoy are worthless or idiots. Far from it. If they found joy in a product in which I didn't, then more power to them. If anything, I'm happy they enjoyed it. That means the project connected with somebody.
Even in the realm of Fred, I don't think anybody enjoying it is stupid. It's not meant to be of high quality. If someone laughs at a Fred video, good for them. There's nothing wrong with that. Now, if I review the film (which is a big 'if' right now) and I don't enjoy it, I won't hold back from venting my frustrations. However, I will refrain (as I always do) from insulting those that do. If anything, I welcome those that enjoyed a movie in which I didn't to have a friendly debate with me, if they want to. Same goes for a film I enjoyed that they didn't (I've already had multiple discussions with my friend over Cloverfield).
At the end of the day, demeaning others for enjoying something you didn't is classless and juvenile. It's fine to debate them on the merits of the product, but not to insult them for having differing opinions.
P.S. I don't think Waluigi was promoting the insulting of others, merely just trying to prove a point that it has existed for generations.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Sept 17, 2010 9:40:43 GMT -5
Yes, generations since time immemorial have said that the current generation shows how we're all going to hell in a handcart. It's dumb.
Are y'all suggesting we should just go and be dumb?
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Sept 17, 2010 9:41:28 GMT -5
Are y'all suggesting we should just go and be dumb? Sure, why not?
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Post by MCMGM on Sept 17, 2010 10:01:49 GMT -5
If you pay to see this, you're just playing into everything that is awful with out society and comedy. And comments like that are why people see our generation as a bunch of whiney, overbearing, melodramatic idiots. Yeeep.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 17, 2010 10:16:47 GMT -5
Pardon me, gentlemen, but WHO THE BLUE HELL IS FRED?
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Post by waluigi on Sept 17, 2010 10:16:56 GMT -5
DUDE, people judge you all the time! That's what I was saying in the first place. EVERY GENERATION HAS A BONE TO PICK WITH THE OTHERS. Before, after, or during! That's the point! I can tell you right now, a bunch of 13 year olds are LMAO'ing at how their parents watch a bunch of "silly old crap" on TV every night. "I don't like that dumb old people's stuff, it's so stupid and boring. They're so lame and old!" Sound familiar? Just because people do it, doesn't make it right. And that's still not my point. The way you, Golden Spike, and Black Lantern Cookie Monster put it, you'd think that Generations X and Y are the only ones tgat ever said anything stupid about anybody else. My point is, and has always been, everybody does it, everybody's always gonna do it. So we should at least try to do it out of love and honest criticism. Be realistic. There's plenty of stuff from the new generation that you have a bone to pick with, even if you don't express it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 17, 2010 10:20:56 GMT -5
I think a big issue is when you're complaining just because "This is stupid, I don't like it, blah blah blah", and when you critique something because you think it has a negative effect on those who watch/read/etc. it.
I don't dislike or look down on people who've read Twilight (I've dated a few), but I find the overall message of the books to be destructive and a negative influence on the young women often reading it. That means I'm critiquing the work itself, not casting judgment on those who like it, or acting like it's the end of creation.
That's something unique to our generation, since we're the first who grew up immersed in cable TV, the Internet, etc. We don't really criticize things thinking that "this is a bad thing for society, it sends a terrible message", we just take that level of care and pour into the useless mindset of "It's not as good as things were when I was a kid!".
PS - I stand by my previous question, who the hell is this Fred guy?!
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 17, 2010 10:23:40 GMT -5
Just because people do it, doesn't make it right. And that's still not my point. The way you, Golden Spike, and Black Lantern Cookie Monster put it, you'd think that Generations X and Y are the only ones tgat ever said anything stupid about anybody else. My point is, and has always been, everybody does it, everybody's always gonna do it. So we should at least try to do it out of love and honest criticism. Be realistic. There's plenty of stuff from the new generation that you have a bone to pick with, even if you don't express it. Yeah, I'll poke fun at a certain works, but I'll never mock people who happen to like said work.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 17, 2010 10:23:51 GMT -5
Just because people do it, doesn't make it right. And that's still not my point. The way you, Golden Spike, and Black Lantern Cookie Monster put it, you'd think that Generations X and Y are the only ones tgat ever said anything stupid about anybody else. My point is, and has always been, everybody does it, everybody's always gonna do it. So we should at least try to do it out of love and honest criticism. The most prominent people who want about these things DON'T do it out of 'love and honest criticism' and it's still stupid even if my great great great great great grandfather did it.
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Post by waluigi on Sept 17, 2010 10:25:01 GMT -5
I think a big issue is when you're complaining just because "This is stupid, I don't like it, blah blah blah", and when you critique something because you think it has a negative effect on those who watch/read/etc. it. I don't dislike or look down on people who've read Twilight (I've dated a few), but I find the overall message of the books to be destructive and a negative influence on the young women often reading it. That means I'm critiquing the work itself, not casting judgment on those who like it, or acting like it's the end of creation. That's something unique to our generation. Stopping you here because that's not the case. Surely you don't forget the era where Disco was considered to be the death of our society, and every rock station that started getting a Disco format was suddenly a disgusting sellout. Again, Chicago's Disco Demo Night? You remember. Now tell me if Twilight has ever gotten that kind of backlash, outside of a bunch of people dissing it on the net, or making parodies of it.
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