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Post by CrazySting on Dec 22, 2010 13:54:41 GMT -5
strangely i'm guessing they don't do hospital bills because of what konnan did Nope. The lawsuit was a direct result of them not paying for medical bills, that and all the racism allegations. Before the Konnan lawsuit Ron Killings was in a similar situation. They'd been outed by Meltzer long before the Konnan lawsuit for not paying medical bills. Some people there got pissed and tried to deny it, but everyone else was adamant it was true. Part of the fuss was also that when they first started they said they'd pay for that stuff as well.
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 22, 2010 14:54:53 GMT -5
strangely i'm guessing they don't do hospital bills because of what konnan did Nope. The lawsuit was a direct result of them not paying for medical bills, that and all the racism allegations. Before the Konnan lawsuit Ron Killings was in a similar situation. They'd been outed by Meltzer long before the Konnan lawsuit for not paying medical bills. Some people there got pissed and tried to deny it, but everyone else was adamant it was true. Part of the fuss was also that when they first started they said they'd pay for that stuff as well. no they were paying for specific people; ie They paid stiner's injury but not konnan's.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 22, 2010 15:13:06 GMT -5
I would say Daffney has more of a case against TNA since TNA hired a wrestler despite injuring someone in their tryout match (you could have a case of willfull negligence there). And she has been out for quite a while because of what happened.
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Post by CrazySting on Dec 22, 2010 15:37:08 GMT -5
Nope. The lawsuit was a direct result of them not paying for medical bills, that and all the racism allegations. Before the Konnan lawsuit Ron Killings was in a similar situation. They'd been outed by Meltzer long before the Konnan lawsuit for not paying medical bills. Some people there got pissed and tried to deny it, but everyone else was adamant it was true. Part of the fuss was also that when they first started they said they'd pay for that stuff as well. no they were paying for specific people; ie They paid stiner's injury but not konnan's. If you're a friend of Jarrett's you get taken care of, everyone else was screwed though. As far as now it seems the situation is largely the same. I seriously doubt the main eventers have to pay for it, since they do get the star treatment, but not everyone else. I know Daffney must have had quite the hospital bill after her stinger and concussion, she was there for several days, I have to hope TNA just outright paid for it though. I mean, they were the ones who put her in there with someone so clumsy and unsafe. But it's very possible they didn't.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 22, 2010 15:41:30 GMT -5
no they were paying for specific people; ie They paid stiner's injury but not konnan's. If you're a friend of Jarrett's you get taken care of, everyone else was screwed though. As far as now it seems the situation is largely the same. I seriously doubt the main eventers have to pay for it, since they do get the star treatment, but not everyone else. I know Daffney must have had quite the hospital bill after her stinger and concussion, she was there for several days, I have to hope TNA just outright paid for it though. I mean, they were the ones who put her in there with someone so clumsy and unsafe. But it's very possible they didn't. They probably didn't, but before we jump all over TNA's case, let's bear in mind WWE doesn't make a habit of covering hospital bills, either. No promotion does. It's something that's stirred up controversy now and again, due to the fact wrestlers are legally considered "contractors" rather than full-time employees. Personally, I think this is something that needs to change, and it needs to change right damn now. While I don't think company's should be forced to cover full hospital bills (that'd be impossible, even for a company like WWE), I do think they should be required to offer health benefits similar to other employers. I mean, hell, my job involves working at a computer the majority of the time, and I enjoy better health coverage through my employer than guys whose jobs require them to beat the hell out of themselves.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 22, 2010 16:38:11 GMT -5
If you're a friend of Jarrett's you get taken care of, everyone else was screwed though. As far as now it seems the situation is largely the same. I seriously doubt the main eventers have to pay for it, since they do get the star treatment, but not everyone else. I know Daffney must have had quite the hospital bill after her stinger and concussion, she was there for several days, I have to hope TNA just outright paid for it though. I mean, they were the ones who put her in there with someone so clumsy and unsafe. But it's very possible they didn't. They probably didn't, but before we jump all over TNA's case, let's bear in mind WWE doesn't make a habit of covering hospital bills, either. No promotion does. It's something that's stirred up controversy now and again, due to the fact wrestlers are legally considered "contractors" rather than full-time employees. Personally, I think this is something that needs to change, and it needs to change right damn now. While I don't think company's should be forced to cover full hospital bills (that'd be impossible, even for a company like WWE), I do think they should be required to offer health benefits similar to other employers. I mean, hell, my job involves working at a computer the majority of the time, and I enjoy better health coverage through my employer than guys whose jobs require them to beat the hell out of themselves. It does say something for how reckless a company is if they hired someone whose tryout match resulted in a huge injury. I don't think WWE ever did that.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 22, 2010 17:28:52 GMT -5
If you're a friend of Jarrett's you get taken care of, everyone else was screwed though. As far as now it seems the situation is largely the same. I seriously doubt the main eventers have to pay for it, since they do get the star treatment, but not everyone else. I know Daffney must have had quite the hospital bill after her stinger and concussion, she was there for several days, I have to hope TNA just outright paid for it though. I mean, they were the ones who put her in there with someone so clumsy and unsafe. But it's very possible they didn't. They probably didn't, but before we jump all over TNA's case, let's bear in mind WWE doesn't make a habit of covering hospital bills, either. No promotion does. It's something that's stirred up controversy now and again, due to the fact wrestlers are legally considered "contractors" rather than full-time employees. Personally, I think this is something that needs to change, and it needs to change right damn now. While I don't think company's should be forced to cover full hospital bills (that'd be impossible, even for a company like WWE), I do think they should be required to offer health benefits similar to other employers. I mean, hell, my job involves working at a computer the majority of the time, and I enjoy better health coverage through my employer than guys whose jobs require them to beat the hell out of themselves. Everything I've heard was that WWE pretty much does pay the medical bills. JBL talked once about how many medical tests the company was putting him through, and they're obviously well enough with that that they can offer rehab even to people who no longer work for the company.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 22, 2010 17:47:48 GMT -5
They probably didn't, but before we jump all over TNA's case, let's bear in mind WWE doesn't make a habit of covering hospital bills, either. No promotion does. It's something that's stirred up controversy now and again, due to the fact wrestlers are legally considered "contractors" rather than full-time employees. Personally, I think this is something that needs to change, and it needs to change right damn now. While I don't think company's should be forced to cover full hospital bills (that'd be impossible, even for a company like WWE), I do think they should be required to offer health benefits similar to other employers. I mean, hell, my job involves working at a computer the majority of the time, and I enjoy better health coverage through my employer than guys whose jobs require them to beat the hell out of themselves. Everything I've heard was that WWE pretty much does pay the medical bills. JBL talked once about how many medical tests the company was putting him through, and they're obviously well enough with that that they can offer rehab even to people who no longer work for the company. If that's true, I wasn't aware of it, and I stand corrected. I'm inclined to think that's a recent development, since most of the information I've seen over the years indicated the opposite. Again, if it's true, that's a step in the right direction. Of course, if WWE is doing it, I'm more hesitant to accuse TNA of not doing it until I know more.
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Post by itssoeasy23 on Dec 22, 2010 18:34:59 GMT -5
Until a wrestler dies in the ring their ok.
Because we all know that TNA doesn't suspend the people who failed their wellness test's becuase, IMO, half the roster probably failed it, including their Champion.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 22, 2010 23:14:31 GMT -5
Everything I've heard was that WWE pretty much does pay the medical bills. JBL talked once about how many medical tests the company was putting him through, and they're obviously well enough with that that they can offer rehab even to people who no longer work for the company. If that's true, I wasn't aware of it, and I stand corrected. I'm inclined to think that's a recent development, since most of the information I've seen over the years indicated the opposite. Again, if it's true, that's a step in the right direction. Of course, if WWE is doing it, I'm more hesitant to accuse TNA of not doing it until I know more. I have to ask, what information over the years are you actually referring to? Everything I've read has shown the WWE as being very willing to pay for medical bills for injuries suffered in the ring for their workers for atleast 20 years. Is there a specific incident you can name or something?
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Post by hollywood on Dec 23, 2010 8:48:02 GMT -5
If that's true, I wasn't aware of it, and I stand corrected. I'm inclined to think that's a recent development, since most of the information I've seen over the years indicated the opposite. Again, if it's true, that's a step in the right direction. Of course, if WWE is doing it, I'm more hesitant to accuse TNA of not doing it until I know more. I have to ask, what information over the years are you actually referring to? Everything I've read has shown the WWE as being very willing to pay for medical bills for injuries suffered in the ring for their workers for atleast 20 years. Is there a specific incident you can name or something? I haven't done any extensive research or anything, but interviews I've seen over the years from various wrestlers just gave me the impression they were responsible for their own health insurance.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 23, 2010 9:44:26 GMT -5
I have to ask, what information over the years are you actually referring to? Everything I've read has shown the WWE as being very willing to pay for medical bills for injuries suffered in the ring for their workers for atleast 20 years. Is there a specific incident you can name or something? I haven't done any extensive research or anything, but interviews I've seen over the years from various wrestlers just gave me the impression they were responsible for their own health insurance. From what I gathered, it's not insurance. Wrestlers are pretty much uninsurable because of their jobs, or rates would be astronomically high. WWE just flat out pays the bills for them while they're working.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 23, 2010 10:38:26 GMT -5
I haven't done any extensive research or anything, but interviews I've seen over the years from various wrestlers just gave me the impression they were responsible for their own health insurance. From what I gathered, it's not insurance. Wrestlers are pretty much uninsurable because of their jobs, or rates would be astronomically high. WWE just flat out pays the bills for them while they're working. First I've heard of that. I recall Diamond Dallas Page once saying he was sort of forced into retirement because his insurance company wouldn't insure him anymore if he continued wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 10:54:20 GMT -5
I haven't done any extensive research or anything, but interviews I've seen over the years from various wrestlers just gave me the impression they were responsible for their own health insurance. From what I gathered, it's not insurance. Wrestlers are pretty much uninsurable because of their jobs, or rates would be astronomically high. WWE just flat out pays the bills for them while they're working. I've heard this too about them being uninsurable. I mean - the premiums would be through the roof if they tried. Honestly - if WWE tried to get insurance for their workers I bet you'd see ticket prices and PPV prices skyrocket. Malpratice insurance is one of the big reasons the American medical system is so expensive. That and the litigious nature of our people.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 23, 2010 10:58:15 GMT -5
I honestly have a tough time believing wrestlers are simply uninsured and, in WWE's case, the company just pays the bills in full. This isn't something I've researched much (and I'll be honest, I probably never will), but I just suspect there's at least SOME form of medical insurance covering professional wrestlers at some level...be it corporate or personal, even if the rates are incredibly high.
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Post by quirkalicious on Dec 23, 2010 11:28:35 GMT -5
From what I gathered, it's not insurance. Wrestlers are pretty much uninsurable because of their jobs, or rates would be astronomically high. WWE just flat out pays the bills for them while they're working. First I've heard of that. I recall Diamond Dallas Page once saying he was sort of forced into retirement because his insurance company wouldn't insure him anymore if he continued wrestling. Was he talking about health insurance, or perhaps the kind of injury insurance Curt Hennig had?
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 23, 2010 11:35:41 GMT -5
I honestly have a tough time believing wrestlers are simply uninsured and, in WWE's case, the company just pays the bills in full. This isn't something I've researched much (and I'll be honest, I probably never will), but I just suspect there's at least SOME form of medical insurance covering professional wrestlers at some level...be it corporate or personal, even if the rates are incredibly high. I heard Lloyd's offered it, but the rates are astronomical. There was a story from one of the former Divas who said she tried, but no one would insure her. They're not the only ones. Stuntmen also have a bitch of a time with insurance. Jackie Chan said he couldn't get it because he did his own stunts. Certain industries just do that, because there's no risk of injury, there's a certainty. Once you know about how the insurance industry works, it's not that surprising. Individual insurance is almost always expensive. The premiums go down in groups because the chances of the company having to pay out decrease. More people in a group means more money goes in and the odds of paying out more than they put in decreases. Wrestlers, though, are in an industry where injury isn't at risk, it's a given. All wrestlers will get injured at some point, and chances are almost certain that they'd require major surgery. In any group, wrestlers are going to be certain liabilities for insurance companies, so if they are insured, insurance companies are going to charge an arm and a leg just because they have to make a profit. The group as a whole is harmed by wrestlers, and non-wrestlers aren't going to want to include wrestlers as groups. Then, assuming you've got a company willing to do it, you also have to look at the wrestler's standpoint. If you get insurance, it's going to cost a significant portion of your paycheck. So even if you're physically able, you might not be willing to put forth the significant financial costs to get it. For a company like WWE, it'd be easier to pay for it than to try to get insurance for the wrestlers. Paying for it would be more of an obligation after the boatloads of negative press they received following the wrestler deaths, not to mention that the wrestlers are your money makers.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 23, 2010 22:44:16 GMT -5
In all fairness - every wrestling promotion is a barrel of potential lawsuits. Basically.
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Post by Dirty Hazy on Dec 25, 2010 2:37:41 GMT -5
Can someone explain the Rob Terry and Ken Anderson issues?
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Dec 25, 2010 3:07:11 GMT -5
Can someone explain the Rob Terry and Ken Anderson issues? After his match with Terry, Homicide hit Rob Terry stiff with a chair shot to the skull. So hard, that it caused bleeding. Not too long after Jeff's heel turn, he attacked Anderson with a chair. The shot was supposed to hit him in the back, but Jeff caught him hard in the back of the head. It busted him wide open, and gave him a concussion, removing him from the Turning Point main event in the process.
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