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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 25, 2010 3:42:06 GMT -5
Can someone explain the Rob Terry and Ken Anderson issues? After his match with Terry, Homicide hit Rob Terry stiff with a chair shot to the skull. So hard, that it caused bleeding. Not too long after Jeff's heel turn, he attacked Anderson with a chair. The shot was supposed to hit him in the back, but Jeff caught him hard in the back of the head. It busted him wide open, and gave him a concussion, removing him from the Turning Point main event in the process. The Rob Terry thing was also done days after WWE had banned unprotected chairshots to the head. So basically it was a way for TNA to make fun of WWE's new policy that backfired big time as far as PR went. |
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 25, 2010 10:55:23 GMT -5
Can someone explain the Rob Terry and Ken Anderson issues? After his match with Terry, Homicide hit Rob Terry stiff with a chair shot to the skull. So hard, that it caused bleeding. "What a Mark! He He He He." [/Raven] |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2010 11:08:17 GMT -5
After his match with Terry, Homicide hit Rob Terry stiff with a chair shot to the skull. So hard, that it caused bleeding. Not too long after Jeff's heel turn, he attacked Anderson with a chair. The shot was supposed to hit him in the back, but Jeff caught him hard in the back of the head. It busted him wide open, and gave him a concussion, removing him from the Turning Point main event in the process. The Rob Terry thing was also done days after WWE had banned unprotected chairshots to the head. So basically it was a way for TNA to make fun of WWE's new policy that backfired big time as far as PR went. Hasn't TNA banned unprotected chair shots to the head recently? So within 9 months they went from advocating it to banning it. |
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Post by CrazySting on Dec 25, 2010 11:21:58 GMT -5
Apparently what changed was that Dixie got one or two lectures over the phone from Nowinksi about how dangerous they were.
Prior to that, she'd been listening to Bischoff and the ECW guys who told her the studies were BS and they weren't dangerous at all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2010 11:37:53 GMT -5
Apparently what changed was that Dixie got one or two lectures over the phone from Nowinksi about how dangerous they were. Prior to that, she'd been listening to Bischoff and the ECW guys who told her the studies were BS and they weren't dangerous at all. Sounds like she has some questionable people whispering in her ear. |
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Post by CrazySting on Dec 25, 2010 12:00:53 GMT -5
Sounds like it, but that's no excuse. When they were arguing over the Rob Terry chairshot in April, and the studies were discussed (there were people in management really against doing it) she was there and heard it all, but still told Eric it was his call. She can't claim ignorance.
I mean, Dixie seems like the type of woman who saves face a lot by saying "I didn't know." Druggies on the roser? "I didn't know." Sham of a drug policy? "I didn't know." Chairshots to the head were dangerous? "I didn't know" Women get paid nothing? "I didn't know."
Please. She's dumb. She's not that dumb.
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 25, 2010 12:54:48 GMT -5
Sounds like it, but that's no excuse. When they were arguing over the Rob Terry chairshot in April, and the studies were discussed (there were people in management really against doing it) she was there and heard it all, but still told Eric it was his call. She can't claim ignorance. I mean, Dixie seems like the type of woman who saves face a lot by saying "I didn't know." Druggies on the roser? "I didn't know." Sham of a drug policy? "I didn't know." Chairshots to the head were dangerous? "I didn't know" Women get paid nothing? "I didn't know." Please. She's dumb. She's not that dumb. except she's hasn't really said anything about not knowing. I think it has more to do with not knowing what to do. I mean really think about it. If you are a wrestling promoter, and two grown men want to hit each other in the heads with chairs, why would you come against it? They are adults and they are aware of their actions. My response would be do what ever you feel is right. |
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Post by CrazySting on Dec 25, 2010 13:08:26 GMT -5
I mean really think about it. If you are a wrestling promoter, and two grown men want to hit each other in the heads with chairs, why would you come against it? They are adults and they are aware of their actions. My response would be do what ever you feel is right. Except the part where there have been a ton of studies that talk about how dangerous those chairshots and concussions in general are, changes in almost all sports because of those findings, and you're told by people who work there how dangerous they are. But yes, Dixie still knows nothing and is completely innocent. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2010 13:20:23 GMT -5
Sounds like it, but that's no excuse. When they were arguing over the Rob Terry chairshot in April, and the studies were discussed (there were people in management really against doing it) she was there and heard it all, but still told Eric it was his call. She can't claim ignorance. I mean, Dixie seems like the type of woman who saves face a lot by saying "I didn't know." Druggies on the roser? "I didn't know." Sham of a drug policy? "I didn't know." Chairshots to the head were dangerous? "I didn't know" Women get paid nothing? "I didn't know." Please. She's dumb. She's not that dumb. except she's hasn't really said anything about not knowing. I think it has more to do with not knowing what to do. I mean really think about it. If you are a wrestling promoter, and two grown men want to hit each other in the heads with chairs, why would you come against it? They are adults and they are aware of their actions. My response would be do what ever you feel is right. Well - I guess she knew what to do. She banned chair shots to the head nine months later. |
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Post by héad.casé on Dec 25, 2010 17:26:03 GMT -5
I'd just like to speak from a worker's point of view here and say that there was no way that chair shot went ahead without Big Rob's say so. It's not like he would've been punished if he said no. If it was written into the script, and it happened in the ring, then it was ok'd by Rob. There's no way they would've just written that in without asking him if it was cool first. I don't care what the sheets say.
First rule of wrestling is it's ALWAYS safety first, and if you're not cool doing something you don't have to. You're trusting these people with your bodies and trusting them not to take advantage of that. So don't sit there and tell me that TNA doesn't care about the guy or anyone else.
But hey, i'm actually in the business and know how things really work, and have wrestled with a concussion myself, AND had another match an hour and a half later...that was MY choice, I wasn't forced into it, just like Rob wasn't forced into saying yes to being hit with a chair. But hey, don't listen to me...my name's not Meltzer so i'm obviously wrong...
I apologise if this post is classed as flaming, but it's started to get me hot.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 25, 2010 20:36:51 GMT -5
I'd just like to speak from a worker's point of view here and say that there was no way that chair shot went ahead without Big Rob's say so. It's not like he would've been punished if he said no. If it was written into the script, and it happened in the ring, then it was ok'd by Rob. There's no way they would've just written that in without asking him if it was cool first. I don't care what the sheets say. First rule of wrestling is it's ALWAYS safety first, and if you're not cool doing something you don't have to. You're trusting these people with your bodies and trusting them not to take advantage of that. So don't sit there and tell me that TNA doesn't care about the guy or anyone else. But hey, i'm actually in the business and know how things really work, and have wrestled with a concussion myself, AND had another match an hour and a half later...that was MY choice, I wasn't forced into it, just like Rob wasn't forced into saying yes to being hit with a chair. But hey, don't listen to me...my name's not Meltzer so i'm obviously wrong... I apologise if this post is classed as flaming, but it's started to get me hot. First Rule of wrestling is always safety first, but Vince Russo has shown in the past that he is willing to break that rule to do something. |
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 25, 2010 21:47:57 GMT -5
Let's bring up the video here anyway. It's a video where they repeat the shot, and Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alverez talk over it. I don't know who's who, as I don't listen to those people, but the video repeats the chairshot a lot. I'm looking at it, and if you notice, Homicide releases the chair before he hits Rob, and it looks like he's throwing it instead of full on bashing Rob Terry's brains out. However, I think the hardway blood came from how the top part of the chair, like, the edge of the top part cut him open. I think one reason as well for the hate for it was, it sets an example of, if you want to look strong in wrestling, no sell a chair to the head, and you know where that could potentially lead to. Apparently what changed was that Dixie got one or two lectures over the phone from Nowinksi about how dangerous they were. Prior to that, she'd been listening to Bischoff and the ECW guys who told her the studies were BS and they weren't dangerous at all. This, umm, is a pretty bold claim. Where did you get this from. Which ECW guys? Not likely Raven, who said that you shouldn't do chairshots to the head unless you know what you're doing. Stevie Richards was around at this time, Rhino, and I'm not sure who else was around at that time, maybe RVD came in, but that's a pretty bold assertion. Same with Bischoff even, I haven't heard anything about that, unless you're talking about his character. I've posted this before, but just in case. This is footage from RF Video, as it was recorded by them, so this does not fall under WWE's library of footage, despite being ECW. RF video taped it, and owns their own copies of it, which they can legally distribute, and have done. |
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 25, 2010 23:29:07 GMT -5
I mean really think about it. If you are a wrestling promoter, and two grown men want to hit each other in the heads with chairs, why would you come against it? They are adults and they are aware of their actions. My response would be do what ever you feel is right. Except the part where there have been a ton of studies that talk about how dangerous those chairshots and concussions in general are, changes in almost all sports because of those findings, and you're told by people who work there how dangerous they are. But yes, Dixie still knows nothing and is completely innocent. yes, and flaming tables, scaffoldings, chops to the chest, pile drivers, stiff matches, tacs, barb wire, dives off the top rope, and back body drops are also very dangerous, and could have long term effects on their health. There comes a point that wrestlers are going to do harmful crap to their bodies. That's what wrestlers do. I don't see the point in stopping a wrestler from doing what they want to do. |
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 25, 2010 23:58:08 GMT -5
Except the part where there have been a ton of studies that talk about how dangerous those chairshots and concussions in general are, changes in almost all sports because of those findings, and you're told by people who work there how dangerous they are. But yes, Dixie still knows nothing and is completely innocent. yes, and flaming tables, scaffoldings, chops to the chest, pile drivers, stiff matches, tacs, barb wire, dives off the top rope, and back body drops are also very dangerous, and could have long term effects on their health. There comes a point that wrestlers are going to do harmful crap to their bodies. That's what wrestlers do. I don't see the point in stopping a wrestler from doing what they want to do. To bring this up, and maybe the worker here will help us out. But, you're taught to do things safely. Like, in the scaffolding matches for example, the Midnight Express, while it probably sucked falling, they tried falling and did it where they wouldn't hurt themselves. Piledrivers, I remember a shoot interview that Sean Waltman did, talking about the best way to be safe with a piledriver and saying Aja Kong did the best one ever. Even Jim Cornette was at least given a plan on how to fall off the scaffold, until he changed it with Bossman which didn't work out too well. Like, what I do for a living is dangerous. I climb around, I'm 100 feet in the air, and the only thing from keeping me hitting the ground is a full body harness, which I have to put on properly, make sure everything is in it's proper place, make sure nothing's torn, make sure my lanyard isn't worn (and while I was in the toolcrib my last shift, I inspected the fall arrest equipment). Is what I do dangerous? Yes. But, the job can still be done safely, and so that people won't get injured. Plan your work and work your plan, as is said on the toolbox meetings. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2010 4:36:27 GMT -5
What's the big deal about the Terry thing anyway? One chairshot isn't likely to totally scramble a guy's brains, and it doesn't seem to have done him any harm.
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Post by Ian Austin on Dec 26, 2010 4:43:53 GMT -5
What is with this argument?
If I hit you in the head with a baseball by smashing you with it, it'd hurt like Heck. If I throw it at your head, it'd hurt like heck. Same with a chair. How did we get to 'throwing a chair isn't as bad as smashing with a chair.'
You can't train the human head to take chairshots.
Wrestlers can't. They feel it the same way we would. And most of us would be told to go to the hospital for a check-up. Did Rob Terry? Debatable. So don't start this 'nothing wrong with one chairshot' crap. If you take any sort of shot like that to the head, you should recieve instant medical attention. And you certainly shouldn't have your unbelievably incompetent bosses asking you to do it.
Did Rob Terry say yes? Likely. But putting him in that situation was irresponsible.
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Post by héad.casé on Dec 26, 2010 6:45:17 GMT -5
yes, and flaming tables, scaffoldings, chops to the chest, pile drivers, stiff matches, tacs, barb wire, dives off the top rope, and back body drops are also very dangerous, and could have long term effects on their health. There comes a point that wrestlers are going to do harmful crap to their bodies. That's what wrestlers do. I don't see the point in stopping a wrestler from doing what they want to do. To bring this up, and maybe the worker here will help us out. But, you're taught to do things safely. Like, in the scaffolding matches for example, the Midnight Express, while it probably sucked falling, they tried falling and did it where they wouldn't hurt themselves. Piledrivers, I remember a shoot interview that Sean Waltman did, talking about the best way to be safe with a piledriver and saying Aja Kong did the best one ever. Even Jim Cornette was at least given a plan on how to fall off the scaffold, until he changed it with Bossman which didn't work out too well. Like, what I do for a living is dangerous. I climb around, I'm 100 feet in the air, and the only thing from keeping me hitting the ground is a full body harness, which I have to put on properly, make sure everything is in it's proper place, make sure nothing's torn, make sure my lanyard isn't worn (and while I was in the toolcrib my last shift, I inspected the fall arrest equipment). Is what I do dangerous? Yes. But, the job can still be done safely, and so that people won't get injured. Plan your work and work your plan, as is said on the toolbox meetings. Exactly, you're always taught to do things as safely as possible. Why do you think you learn to take bumps before taking any moves? I think people are over-estimating how young wrestlers look at concussion studies. You'll find that 95% of wrestlers don't care about it or talk about it, so if we...the ones who are beating ourselves up to entertain you don't care (not while we're still young anyway), why should you? All we care about is making sure you get your money's worth and we'll do whatever we can, no matter how crazy to make that happen because we love what we do. I do apologise for my earlier post, now i've had some sleep and read it back it does seem a bit rude, that wasn't what I intended. |
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Post by Madman Szalinski on Dec 26, 2010 8:57:40 GMT -5
Has he had any baseline neurological tests? |
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Post by Ian Austin on Dec 26, 2010 11:07:11 GMT -5
And I applaud you for caring about entertaining us, but I think lots of us would prefer wrestlers to be able to enjoy their retirement years instead of having their bodies and minds broken down by years of excessive force in the ring.
No-one is calling wrestling a cakewalk. We're all aware that you get hurt. But why add to that hurt with full-on chairshots and ladder matches that happen for no reason? It's a business: make money, stay healthy, and be able to enjoy your retirement years instead of being a physical wreck.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Dec 26, 2010 12:12:09 GMT -5
If the wrestlers are ok with doing chairshots to the head, then the PROMOTER should say, "no, you don't get to this", because even if the wrestlers don't seem to care about safety regarding chairshots to the head, the promoter should.
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