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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 26, 2010 13:17:00 GMT -5
What is with this argument? If I hit you in the head with a baseball by smashing you with it, it'd hurt like Heck. If I throw it at your head, it'd hurt like heck. Same with a chair. How did we get to 'throwing a chair isn't as bad as smashing with a chair.' You can't train the human head to take chairshots. Wrestlers can't. They feel it the same way we would. And most of us would be told to go to the hospital for a check-up. Did Rob Terry? Debatable. So don't start this 'nothing wrong with one chairshot' crap. If you take any sort of shot like that to the head, you should recieve instant medical attention. And you certainly shouldn't have your unbelievably incompetent bosses asking you to do it. Did Rob Terry say yes? Likely. But putting him in that situation was irresponsible. Take an object, like I have an empty can. If you grab it, and full on bash it against the desk, the damange is going to be different then if you take it and let it go and it hits the table. It is still going to hit the table with some force, but not as much as if you are holding onto it and putting your own weight and force into it. It's not to say it was the best idea, but it wasn't a full blown shot like say, Ken Shamrock took that one time. It's a tough situation, because in the video with Dreamer and Raven, Dreamer is always selling, or he's bumping, or he gets his arm up to block the shot. With this, Rob was supposed to stand there like nothing happened. So if they were to do a chair shot like Raven did, he would pull the chair shot, it may not have worked the way they wanted as it may not have looked good enough, not to say that's an excuse though. It was still a bad idea what they did there anyway.
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 26, 2010 13:43:15 GMT -5
If the wrestlers are ok with doing chairshots to the head, then the PROMOTER should say, "no, you don't get to this", because even if the wrestlers don't seem to care about safety regarding chairshots to the head, the promoter should. why? They are adults...
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 26, 2010 14:45:49 GMT -5
You know, I'm still shocked people actually think the blood leak was really made on contact. I'm sorry, but if someone threw it hard enough to draw blood, not only would the blood not be that simple a cut, but it' be a gusher. Sting had that happen to him by Angle at their BFG match, by accident though, but that was a bat that hit him square in the head, full force. The difference being that, while Terry had one stream go down his face even after OJ came out to do his mindgames bit, Sting was already half-way towards a crimson mask a few seconds after that shot, and during the end, his whole forehead, nose and mouth were red with blood.
Around 22:38 or so is the shot.
Really, trying to replicate that hard way would be impossible to do. It's basically a one in a million shot, with different variants like chair force, power thrown,positioning and a bunch of the things impossible to calculate and plan.
Even looking at the video again, you notice how he hits him right on his hair, and how the blood only goes when Terry is looking down at Homicide. Really, it seems to indicate it was some cut right before the match at the top of the head, covered with paper skin, and when the chairshot hit, it breaks the seal and opens the wound. He looks down a few times to let it flow to his forehead, and bob's your uncle.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 26, 2010 15:46:51 GMT -5
If the wrestlers are ok with doing chairshots to the head, then the PROMOTER should say, "no, you don't get to this", because even if the wrestlers don't seem to care about safety regarding chairshots to the head, the promoter should. why? They are adults... Because they will do anything for a shot at fame, stardom, etc, and you're hosting these people. It's like, wearing a harness at work. People don't have to wear harnesses and lanyards, but they're doing the dangerous job for the money. So, that attitude is like saying, ok, the employer should not supply any safety or fall arrest equipment because these workers know what they're getting into. They are building the site for this company, and risking their lives to do it, so it's the employer's responsibility to protect them in case something happens on their job site. Same with wrestling, and almost any other job. These people are helping the promoter make money, and potentially risking their well beings for that promoter. So, he is the one in charge, and he's the one who should say, yes and no to different things, and keep the safety of his wrestler's in mind. Instead of just letting there be anarchy. If that's the case, then why book a show properly? Why get people who are trained? Why try to draw money? Why try to set a pace, or whatever. It goes back to NXT Season 3, and I rant I had with that on the WWE boards. These people want to be famous, but the reigns have to be pulled back, and maybe they don't know the consequences of their actions. So the promoter needs to take control and pull the reigns back. As for the Rob Terry chair shot, that is certainly and interesting observation which I never thought of, and certainly one that has happened in wrestling before. However, it certainly did look like he was cut by the edge of the chair when it made contact. Maybe not enough to rattle his brains, but certainly enough to make a cut.
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 26, 2010 16:09:42 GMT -5
Because they will do anything for a shot at fame, stardom, etc, and you're hosting these people. It's like, wearing a harness at work. People don't have to wear harnesses and lanyards, but they're doing the dangerous job for the money. So, that attitude is like saying, ok, the employer should not supply any safety or fall arrest equipment because these workers know what they're getting into. They are building the site for this company, and risking their lives to do it, so it's the employer's responsibility to protect them in case something happens on their job site. Same with wrestling, and almost any other job. These people are helping the promoter make money, and potentially risking their well beings for that promoter. So, he is the one in charge, and he's the one who should say, yes and no to different things, and keep the safety of his wrestler's in mind. Instead of just letting there be anarchy. If that's the case, then why book a show properly? Why get people who are trained? Why try to draw money? Why try to set a pace, or whatever. It goes back to NXT Season 3, and I rant I had with that on the WWE boards. These people want to be famous, but the reigns have to be pulled back, and maybe they don't know the consequences of their actions. So the promoter needs to take control and pull the reigns back. As for the Rob Terry chair shot, that is certainly and interesting observation which I never thought of, and certainly one that has happened in wrestling before. However, it certainly did look like he was cut by the edge of the chair when it made contact. Maybe not enough to rattle his brains, but certainly enough to make a cut. the major difference is that building a site you would want to avoid all dangers, where as wrestling you are looking to be as dangerous as possible. You think people like Mick Foley have no idea the dangers of chair shots when he openly talks about him being afraid of losing his speech? He still takes risks. I mean these people aren't stupid, and they don't need people to hold their hands, or even worse get mad at promoters for their own choices. I would guess very few wrestlers who have had complications regret the risks they have taken. Even people from other sports like Mohammad Ali aren't regretful about their actions, because they did what they dreamed of doing.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 26, 2010 17:39:37 GMT -5
Because they will do anything for a shot at fame, stardom, etc, and you're hosting these people. It's like, wearing a harness at work. People don't have to wear harnesses and lanyards, but they're doing the dangerous job for the money. So, that attitude is like saying, ok, the employer should not supply any safety or fall arrest equipment because these workers know what they're getting into. They are building the site for this company, and risking their lives to do it, so it's the employer's responsibility to protect them in case something happens on their job site. Same with wrestling, and almost any other job. These people are helping the promoter make money, and potentially risking their well beings for that promoter. So, he is the one in charge, and he's the one who should say, yes and no to different things, and keep the safety of his wrestler's in mind. Instead of just letting there be anarchy. If that's the case, then why book a show properly? Why get people who are trained? Why try to draw money? Why try to set a pace, or whatever. It goes back to NXT Season 3, and I rant I had with that on the WWE boards. These people want to be famous, but the reigns have to be pulled back, and maybe they don't know the consequences of their actions. So the promoter needs to take control and pull the reigns back. As for the Rob Terry chair shot, that is certainly and interesting observation which I never thought of, and certainly one that has happened in wrestling before. However, it certainly did look like he was cut by the edge of the chair when it made contact. Maybe not enough to rattle his brains, but certainly enough to make a cut. the major difference is that building a site you would want to avoid all dangers, where as wrestling you are looking to be as dangerous as possible. You think people like Mick Foley have no idea the dangers of chair shots when he openly talks about him being afraid of losing his speech? He still takes risks. I mean these people aren't stupid, and they don't need people to hold their hands, or even worse get mad at promoters for their own choices. I would guess very few wrestlers who have had complications regret the risks they have taken. Even people from other sports like Mohammad Ali aren't regretful about their actions, because they did what they dreamed of doing. Hasn't he brought up in interviews recently that he doesn't want to do any of that. Where as wrestling you are looking to be as dangerous as possible is potentially the most messed up thing I've read on the forums that didn't have the intention of trolling. So basically, the wrestlers should literally kill each other, and the promoter should let it go on with his hands off completely. I'm not quite sure how to respond to that.
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 27, 2010 0:42:41 GMT -5
the major difference is that building a site you would want to avoid all dangers, where as wrestling you are looking to be as dangerous as possible. You think people like Mick Foley have no idea the dangers of chair shots when he openly talks about him being afraid of losing his speech? He still takes risks. I mean these people aren't stupid, and they don't need people to hold their hands, or even worse get mad at promoters for their own choices. I would guess very few wrestlers who have had complications regret the risks they have taken. Even people from other sports like Mohammad Ali aren't regretful about their actions, because they did what they dreamed of doing. Hasn't he brought up in interviews recently that he doesn't want to do any of that. Where as wrestling you are looking to be as dangerous as possible is potentially the most messed up thing I've read on the forums that didn't have the intention of trolling. So basically, the wrestlers should literally kill each other, and the promoter should let it go on with his hands off completely. I'm not quite sure how to respond to that. i haven't seen him say any thing out side of the comments on impact. Which my guess is something they told him to say. i didn't say kill. Hurt maybe, but kill is an overstatement . I mean think about the gen me and mcmg empty arena match. There were lots of risks taken and the match was good because of it . where as building things does not realistically get any better when you take risks
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