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Post by VenomFang on Apr 10, 2011 14:03:42 GMT -5
Since these guys are f'd the moment they get into the door and have nothing to lose, I'm surprised no one ever lunged at Hanson and tried to take a swing at him. That would have been spectacular.
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Post by sryans on Apr 10, 2011 14:07:38 GMT -5
It's shaky whether you could consider it entrapment, and it depends entirely on their methods. If they're in a chatroom and get into a conversation with a guy, that's not entrapment. For it to be entrapment, the guy would have to actually be persuaded to do it, rather than just getting the opportunity. At least, that's my understanding of entrapment. my understanding as well. By the end, they seemed better at making sure they only did the former, but earlier on, PJ was culpable of the latter. Entrapment is getting someone to commit a crime they would have not otherwise committed, then arresting them for it. It is why cops can do sting drug deals, the dealer was actively looking to sell drugs. That is considered fine. However, if a police officer went up to some random guy and told him "I will pay you $1,000 to go get me some cocaine right now." then that case would get thrown out pretty much immediately. So it all comes down to methodology. I have heard that at points, that the men would attempt to leave the chats with the perverted justice people, only for the people to convince the guy to keep talking. Not sure how true that is. corrupted-justice.com has written hundreds of articles about the unscrupulous aspects of the perverted-justice team, so I am not shocked that most of these cases are getting thrown out of court.
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Post by Nuke is Good on Apr 10, 2011 14:17:45 GMT -5
When one of the people in the stings was a district attorney and offed himself, that caused a lot of negative PR for the show. The show was funny as hell though.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Apr 10, 2011 14:34:51 GMT -5
Why don't you have a seat? I'd love to see this show Here's the replay.
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Apr 10, 2011 14:42:52 GMT -5
Such a fascinating show in that after a couple seasons, people who were getting caught on the show would mention how they saw other people getting caught on the show. What an odd dynamic that presents. Still, it is one of the most uncomfortable shows I have ever watched. From the reading aloud of particularly graphic chatroom transcripts to Hansen just totally ripping the guy apart in front of ten cameras, it's almost brain-meltingly painful to watch. Even though pretty much all the guys that get caught on the show are scumbags, the producers of the show take advantage of the again painful dynamic of a scumbag begging for mercy. It doesn't take away from their wrongdoing, but when as on one episode, a twenty-something year old kid got caught in the doorway (he didn't want to go in, but was there) and was sobbing that his life was going to be ruined, you kind of want to open your heart to the guy, even considering his wrongdoings. That dynamic was often available to the viewer, because we all know that yes, that guy's life is pretty much over--especially with the wrath of the internet (which has a spotless reputation of course ) Everyone has been caught doing something bad in their life, whether it was stealing a candy bar, lying to your parents, all the way up to something on par with what Dateline cracks down on, and still that sinking feeling has to be so intensified when Chris Hansen comes around the corner. Extremely compelling if uncomfortable television.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 10, 2011 15:07:46 GMT -5
my understanding as well. By the end, they seemed better at making sure they only did the former, but earlier on, PJ was culpable of the latter. Entrapment is getting someone to commit a crime they would have not otherwise committed, then arresting them for it. It is why cops can do sting drug deals, the dealer was actively looking to sell drugs. That is considered fine. However, if a police officer went up to some random guy and told him "I will pay you $1,000 to go get me some cocaine right now." then that case would get thrown out pretty much immediately. So it all comes down to methodology. I have heard that at points, that the men would attempt to leave the chats with the perverted justice people, only for the people to convince the guy to keep talking. Not sure how true that is. corrupted-justice.com has written hundreds of articles about the unscrupulous aspects of the perverted-justice team, so I am not shocked that most of these cases are getting thrown out of court. That's one issue I read up on, and I think it's an example of the road to hell is paved with good intentions. People are so determined to catch someone, or so determined to be famous, or so determined to, well, whatever, that it may seem that they will do anything to get a guy. And I think most people on any wrestling forum would be familliar with the Rob Feinstein incident.
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Post by casualobserver on Apr 10, 2011 15:10:31 GMT -5
I thought it was great television to see pervs get embarrassed on national TV, but I've always wondered why the pervs would sit there and take it from Chris Hansen. I would think they would much rather get their heads caved in by half the town's police force waiting for them outside than to endure a smarmy TV host.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 10, 2011 15:28:57 GMT -5
I thought it was great television to see pervs get embarrassed on national TV, but I've always wondered why the pervs would sit there and take it from Chris Hansen. I would think they would much rather get their heads caved in by half the town's police force waiting for them outside than to endure a smarmy TV host. Not all of them have sat there and taken it. Some run the moment they figure out that the girl is not by herself. Hell, didn't one of them take off so fast that they did not get him until he got in his car and fumbled too long with the keys to make his getaway? As far as why none of them attack Hansen, this isn't Cheaters. They walk into those situations afraid to get caught, so when all the cameras come out they already have decided to not make it worse. As far as I am concerned, even if the court cases don't stand up to a good defense attorney they announce the person on national TV for what they are. The guy that killed himself after being exposed gets no sympathy from me because if he was not willing to live with the consequences of his actions that was his own problem. How about the two guys that were caught by the show twice each?
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Post by MCMGM on Apr 10, 2011 15:47:58 GMT -5
I thought it was great television to see pervs get embarrassed on national TV, but I've always wondered why the pervs would sit there and take it from Chris Hansen. I would think they would much rather get their heads caved in by half the town's police force waiting for them outside than to endure a smarmy TV host. Well, not like they didn't deserve it.
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Post by kevservo on Apr 10, 2011 15:53:59 GMT -5
I thought it was great television to see pervs get embarrassed on national TV, but I've always wondered why the pervs would sit there and take it from Chris Hansen. I would think they would much rather get their heads caved in by half the town's police force waiting for them outside than to endure a smarmy TV host. Well, not like they didn't deserve it. I'd loved to have heard one of the following. Predator: Chris Hanson? What the hell are you doing here, are you trying to score with that cute little underage girl too? or Chris: Would you mind telling me what you're doing here? Predator: I was hoping I'd get on To Catch a Predator so that I could get closer to YOU, Chris -Handsome-.
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Post by alabastergrim on Apr 10, 2011 15:58:55 GMT -5
Vigilante justice is wrong and using it for cheap entertainment even moreso. What's wrong is a man wanting to have sex with a f***ing child... Quoted for the truthiest f***ing truth I've ever seen on a message board. No sympathy for these assholes and no, it's not "entrapment". These guys are doing this on their own and I like that at the very least, To Catch A Predator plasters their name and face all over TV.
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Post by twiggy101 on Apr 10, 2011 16:20:20 GMT -5
I thought it was great television to see pervs get embarrassed on national TV, but I've always wondered why the pervs would sit there and take it from Chris Hansen. I would think they would much rather get their heads caved in by half the town's police force waiting for them outside than to endure a smarmy TV host. They probably realize that they're on thin ice so if they say anything or do anything it would make them look guilty.
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Post by theryno665 on Apr 10, 2011 19:44:54 GMT -5
The funniest show in television history.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Apr 10, 2011 19:52:05 GMT -5
The funniest show in television history. It would be even funnier if they added wacky sound effects at inappropriate times. As soon as they realize what show they're on, Wa-wah-waaahhh!!!
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Post by theryno665 on Apr 10, 2011 20:35:31 GMT -5
The funniest show in television history. It would be even funnier if they added wacky sound effects at inappropriate times. As soon as they realize what show they're on, Wa-wah-waaahhh!!! And Scooby-Doo sound effects when they try to run away.
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Post by therealsks on Apr 10, 2011 20:51:42 GMT -5
One day someone's gonna tackle Chris Hansen, and get him up against the table Boondocks style while the cameraman looks on in horror.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Apr 10, 2011 21:06:11 GMT -5
It would be even funnier if they added wacky sound effects at inappropriate times. As soon as they realize what show they're on, Wa-wah-waaahhh!!! And Scooby-Doo sound effects when they try to run away. For the love of God, somebody needs to add sound effects to an episode of the show and put it on Youtube.
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Apr 10, 2011 21:43:22 GMT -5
Why don't you have a seat? I'd love to see this show
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Post by CJ on Apr 10, 2011 21:58:31 GMT -5
I find it hilarious during those rare instances where the predator recognizes the house or knows Chris Hansen.... so before sitting down he just runs outside only to get caught like a dumbass
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Post by thegigolo on Apr 10, 2011 22:51:00 GMT -5
I don't feel any sympathy for these perverts, entrapment or not, they're choosing to go through with it.
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