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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 19:51:22 GMT -5
What about the kids who can't afford school lunches? Are they expected to starve? I think in most states, poor kids can get free or reduced-prices on school lunches. It's not easy to get on those programs in some areas.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 11, 2011 20:00:34 GMT -5
This is a gross overreaction on the school's part, I agree, but a sad fact is that tons of parents DON'T know how to feed their kids. There's tons and tons of kids out there who either come to school with incredibly unhealthy lunches (and then people start badgering the schools asking "Why are our kids out of shape?!"), and there's also tons of kids out there coming to school with little or no lunch, who go hungry. You'd be shocked at the numbers.
Obviously, banning homemade lunches isn't the right answer, but school food and parent education on proper food for kids REALLY has to be addressed.
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Post by Square on Apr 11, 2011 20:06:53 GMT -5
No, but the food experts that they hire do. 1) It's hard to get anything even resembling a healthy lunch in school, ever. 2) "Everybody knows what's best for you". It's such a slippery slope. If food experts want to divulge information to help parents make better decisions, that's one thing. If parents are being told "your child can only eat what we say", then that's more freedom lost. 1)Actually it's possible (as shown in Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution) 2)So? 1/3 kids in the state of Illinois is obese, that's a serious issue that needs to be tackled. archive.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/07/illinois-obesity-children-obesity.html
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 11, 2011 20:10:19 GMT -5
It is a serious issue that should be tackled. But it shouldn't involve banning parents from providing their kids lunch.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 11, 2011 20:11:14 GMT -5
Yeah, youth obesity is a major issue, and the reality is that kids have the least control of anybody in society over what they get to eat. Kids don't buy the food in their house, they don't prepare it (most of the time), and they're not expected to be highly educated on the nutritional properties (or lack thereof) in what they're eating.
Again, I'm not cool with completely wiping out brown bag lunches, but childhood obesity is a tougher nut to crack when you consider those factors working against kids.
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Post by Square on Apr 11, 2011 20:14:11 GMT -5
It is a serious issue that should be tackled. But it shouldn't involve banning parents from providing their kids lunch. But when a large percentage of the parents are feeding there child incorrectly, giving them serious issues in the future, why should they be allowed to do it?
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Post by Starshine on Apr 11, 2011 20:19:43 GMT -5
So not only do they not allow outside food, but they have to PAY for the only option avaliable?
When did the school system obtain the regulatory rights of a nutritionist clinic?
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 11, 2011 20:21:33 GMT -5
It is a serious issue that should be tackled. But it shouldn't involve banning parents from providing their kids lunch. But when a large percentage of the parents are feeding there child incorrectly, giving them serious issues in the future, why should they be allowed to do it? Because they're parents. They have the right to raise their own children and until they do something that is illegal, they retain those rights. They have the right to feed them. They have the right to make decisions for them. Unless they enroll their children in a school with a uniform, they are allowed to dress them (and even then, they're deciding what their kids are wearing). The school can give them information. They school can give them options. The school can't decide for them. Jaimie Oliver can't take those rights away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 20:32:33 GMT -5
1)Actually it's possible (as shown in Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution) Jamie Oliver is an ass, an idiot and I wouldn't trust him with my life.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Apr 11, 2011 20:45:58 GMT -5
Stupid idea. I dont buy into the ridiculous rhetoric of "theyre taking away our freedoms, oh noez" but it just seems stupid that a school could impose a ruling like that. It seems more like a moneyspinner for the school rather than anything else.
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Post by Square on Apr 11, 2011 20:49:16 GMT -5
1)Actually it's possible (as shown in Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution) Jamie Oliver is an ass, an idiot and I wouldn't trust him with my life. Because?
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Post by Square on Apr 11, 2011 20:52:02 GMT -5
But when a large percentage of the parents are feeding there child incorrectly, giving them serious issues in the future, why should they be allowed to do it? Because they're parents. They have the right to raise their own children and until they do something that is illegal, they retain those rights. They have the right to feed them. They have the right to make decisions for them. Unless they enroll their children in a school with a uniform, they are allowed to dress them (and even then, they're deciding what their kids are wearing). The school can give them information. They school can give them options. The school can't decide for them. Jaimie Oliver can't take those rights away. So a school can say what they wear, but not what they eat? And this whole thing about how parents should be allowed to do what they want, the sad truth is a good portion of parents are unfit and do not have their child's best intrest at heart (if you look at the cheapest foods in a supermarket and a kids school lunch, you'll quite often find many matches in the same bag)
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Post by Son of a Pregnant Dog on Apr 11, 2011 20:52:30 GMT -5
I consider the obesity epidemic more of an economic problem than one of education. I think most people know -how- to eat healthy. So why are most kids are being taken to McCrap several times a week, and being fed fried chicken and tater tots and various HFCS-laden crap at home? Answer: {Spoiler}It's cheap.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 11, 2011 20:54:49 GMT -5
Because they're parents. They have the right to raise their own children and until they do something that is illegal, they retain those rights. They have the right to feed them. They have the right to make decisions for them. Unless they enroll their children in a school with a uniform, they are allowed to dress them (and even then, they're deciding what their kids are wearing). The school can give them information. They school can give them options. The school can't decide for them. Jaimie Oliver can't take those rights away. So a school can say what they wear, but not what they eat? And this whole thing about how parents should be allowed to do what they want, the sad truth is a good portion of parents are unfit and do not have their child's best intrest at heart (if you look at the cheapest foods in a supermarket and a kids school lunch, you'll quite often find many matches in the same bag) So are most schools. Standards are pretty shitty across the board for what has to go into a school lunch. Schools telling parents "No, you cannot feed your kids, we know better and you now have to pay us money to feed your kids" is bullshit. There are ways to go about it, that's not it.
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Post by Square on Apr 11, 2011 20:55:31 GMT -5
I consider the obesity epidemic more of an economic problem than one of education. I think most people know -how- to eat healthy. So why are most kids are being taken to McCrap several times a week, and being fed fried chicken and tater tots and various HFCS-laden crap at home? Answer: {Spoiler}It's cheap. I don't even think people know how to eat healthy, I think a good portion of the 1st class world would not be able to produce a healthy meal if given the ingredients.
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Post by Square on Apr 11, 2011 20:56:11 GMT -5
So a school can say what they wear, but not what they eat? And this whole thing about how parents should be allowed to do what they want, the sad truth is a good portion of parents are unfit and do not have their child's best intrest at heart (if you look at the cheapest foods in a supermarket and a kids school lunch, you'll quite often find many matches in the same bag) So are most schools. Standards are pretty s***ty across the board for what has to go into a school lunch. Schools telling parents "No, you cannot feed your kids, we know better and you now have to pay us money to feed your kids" is bulls***. There are ways to go about it, that's not it. What ways, because this school more than likely has tried every trick in the book, written a sequel to the book and wrote extra ones in the side covers!
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Post by willywonka666 on Apr 11, 2011 21:10:43 GMT -5
It's all money, does anyone really think the powers that be give a shit about health if there wasn't money involved? the world isn't perfect. but damned if people aren't attempting to make it that way. We should be seeing a rise in stress with all this shit that is expected of us all now
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 11, 2011 21:14:11 GMT -5
More than likely? Highly doubtful. The school likely took the minimal path possible to doing it, which is what they normally do. They likely did nothing more than create an initiative, hired an expert, payed a bunch of money to them, then banned brown bags. And that's assuming that the nutritionists even know what's going to work. Nutrition experts have OKed horrible school lunches all over the country, most of which are way too carb-heavy. The difference there is that parents could make something better than cheap, mass produced shlock that somehow passed nutritional requirements because they're more preservative than nutrition. And if a parent wants to pack a kid a gluten-free lunch? Or a vegan lunch? And they aren't allergic to anything? Out of luck according to the story. It's all money, does anyone really think the powers that be give a s*** about health if there wasn't money involved? the world isn't perfect. but damned if people aren't attempting to make it that way. We should be seeing a rise in stress with all this s*** that is expected of us all now Yeah, the Chicago Tribune story about this stated that it's very profitable for the school's food provider.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Apr 11, 2011 21:26:42 GMT -5
I know I'm not the only person who remembers school lunches. They still run the weekly menu in the local newspaper around here, and they haven't changed. Typically, they're not the worst thing in the world, but they aren't exactly nutritional gold mines either.
Kids like to eat junk that's bad for them for the same reason adults like to eat junk that's bad for them: it usually tastes good. The adults may also like it because it's cheap.
I've never liked dress codes, and I damn sure don't like this. Anyone with the slightest bit of sense knows that candy bars and greasy fast food burgers aren't good for them. They eat them because they want to. I don't think it's anyone else's place to tell someone how their children should eat. As long as no laws are being broken, there's no signs of neglect, etc., some people need to learn to mind their own business.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Apr 11, 2011 21:43:23 GMT -5
I am glad it is not one of my clients.
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