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Post by ThatDamnPotato on Jan 16, 2011 20:24:16 GMT -5
See I remember as a 14 year old mark so excited for this match thinking it was gonna be a brilliant match because the build up to it was brilliant but then they ruined the whole thing for me and left me feeling bitter towards them, I cant say I give them credit for doing it but I understand why they did it but it doesn't mean I liked it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 20:47:13 GMT -5
I've said it before, but looking back, I don't blame them. The guy don't even get a single move off, and "YOU SOLD OUT" chants start. Lesnar sold out? So he walks away from a seven figure salary and a private jet to TRY OUT for, not make, a team in the NFL, and THAT'S "selling out"? The fans deserved what they got. So we should be nice to him because he wants less money? |
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Post by mrjl on Jan 16, 2011 21:13:12 GMT -5
I've said it before, but looking back, I don't blame them. The guy don't even get a single move off, and "YOU SOLD OUT" chants start. Lesnar sold out? So he walks away from a seven figure salary and a private jet to TRY OUT for, not make, a team in the NFL, and THAT'S "selling out"? The fans deserved what they got. So we should be nice to him because he wants less money? no, you should act like you've got some sense. It obviously wasn't a matter of money or selling out. You've got no reason to boo a person just because he's unhappy in his work environment. |
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Post by spec on Jan 17, 2011 0:40:46 GMT -5
I disagree that there was no incentive for them. It's f***ing WRESTLEMANIA, the incentive is to put on a match that will be remembered and for the right reasons. Especially for Goldberg as it was his first (and only). Lesnar of course had the great match with Angle at XIX, but what does everybody remember about that? His SSP botch. Even though they were both on their way out, they had the opportunity to leave the legacy of a legendary match at the biggest wrestling show there is and they blew it.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 17, 2011 0:55:16 GMT -5
I disagree that there was no incentive for them. It's f***ing WRESTLEMANIA, the incentive is to put on a match that will be remembered and for the right reasons. Especially for Goldberg as it was his first (and only). Lesnar of course had the great match with Angle at XIX, but what does everybody remember about that? His SSP botch. Even though they were both on their way out, they had the opportunity to leave the legacy of a legendary match at the biggest wrestling show there is and they blew it. Goldberg had had a memorable career, even if it was short (and, actually, considering that his career was about as long as The Rock's, IIRC, I don't think it was even that bad). His legacy was already well cemented from his time in WCW, and his time in the WWE likely hindered it far more than it helped it. Lesnar wasn't going to go so far as to risk injury to hinder his NFL prospects. There's his incentive. The fans crapped on them before they even locked up, the fans sure as hell weren't being an incentive to perform. Lesnar also didn't have his heart in the business. He never had aspirations for being a wrestler growing up, he was approached and tempted with money. Believe it or not, Wrestlemania doesn't mean much to non-fans, and Lesnar already knew at that point that he didn't want to do it. It's not laziness on his part, but the guy likely didn't give a crap about his legacy, and the fans being completely antagonistic in it didn't help. |
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Post by spec on Jan 17, 2011 1:03:31 GMT -5
I disagree that there was no incentive for them. It's f***ing WRESTLEMANIA, the incentive is to put on a match that will be remembered and for the right reasons. Especially for Goldberg as it was his first (and only). Lesnar of course had the great match with Angle at XIX, but what does everybody remember about that? His SSP botch. Even though they were both on their way out, they had the opportunity to leave the legacy of a legendary match at the biggest wrestling show there is and they blew it. Goldberg had had a big career, even if it was short. His legacy was already well cemented. Lesnar wasn't going to go so far as to risk injury to hinder his NFL prospects. There's his incentive. The fans crapped on them before they even locked up, the fans sure as hell weren't being an incentive to perform. Not in WWE it wasn't. As a wrestler he risked injury every time he got in the ring. If he was half-assing because of this he just shouldn't have bothered at all and let someone else have the match. Shouldn't have been a factor in dictating what they did and how they did it. |
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 17, 2011 1:14:29 GMT -5
Goldberg had had a big career, even if it was short. His legacy was already well cemented. Lesnar wasn't going to go so far as to risk injury to hinder his NFL prospects. There's his incentive. The fans crapped on them before they even locked up, the fans sure as hell weren't being an incentive to perform. Not in WWE it wasn't. As a wrestler he risked injury every time he got in the ring. If he was half-assing because of this he just shouldn't have bothered at all and let someone else have the match. Shouldn't have been a factor in dictating what they did and how they did it. I'd argue that Goldberg didn't need WWE at all to cement his legacy. WWE didn't do any favors for what legacy he had brought in. Lesnar was still under contract at the time, and was obligated to perform and, thus, was at the very least obligated to perform until the end of it. That doesn't mean he has to go injure himself, but that also doesn't mean he can point to Eddie Guerrero and say "I'm just not feeling this, you put him in against Goldberg instead." And yeah, fan response really is going to be a factor. If fans are going to crap on you no matter what, it won't matter if you put on a great match or just went through the motions. Crapping on you is still crapping on you. They had no incentive to give them a good match when the fans had no interest in giving them a chance. If you're going to say "THey could have put on a great match for the fans" is an incentive, then the fans having absolutely no interest in cheering them regardless of what they did is just as big an incentive to not perform. And it being Wrestlemania... doesn't really mean much if someone's heart isn't in it. Lesnar's heart was never in wrestling, he had a bunch of money thrown at him and he took it. That's the risk the WWE takes when they take non-wrestlers and try to make them such. Lesnar wanted to pursue a different dream, so he did. |
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 17, 2011 5:26:18 GMT -5
If you're going to do a 'Battle of the Bulls' match, which involve a lot of staredowns, equal strength grappling and big hits shrugged off, don't do it in front of a match that now hate both guys' guts.
Simple as that. I don't think they reckoned on the crowd being quite as hostile as it was, and certainly with Lesnar's annoucement happening quite so close to the event they didn't have the time to do much about it.
I still think Vince's appearence and pep talk afterwards was an ad lib to placate them.
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Post by buttersock on Jan 17, 2011 7:59:53 GMT -5
Well, it's not they were gonna do hurricanranas and planches to the floor. Their big men. Their powerhouses. That's the best those 2 could pull out together.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 17, 2011 10:34:47 GMT -5
It actually saddens me that people are defending Lesnar and Goldberg for completely half-assing their performance. Can't say I'm suprised though.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 17, 2011 11:14:15 GMT -5
It actually saddens me that people are defending Lesnar and Goldberg for completely half-assing their performance. Can't say I'm suprised though. I'm not defending it as much as I'm saying I completely understand why it was half-assed. When you have no incentive to perform well... the vast majority of people on this earth are going to half-ass it. If people are going to look down on you regardless of your performance, you're a lot less likely to bust your ass to please them. It's basic economics, and it makes sense that, given both of their circumstances, they wouldn't be aiming for 5-star wrestling clinics (if either were capable of that to begin with). It was still a crappy match, and both could have put on better, but I'd be a liar if I said I never half-assed anything I could have put more effort into. |
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Post by Beartato on Jan 17, 2011 11:25:19 GMT -5
It's really unprofessional behavior. They could've have put on at least a decent match. Fans boo John Cena (well used to) all the time and he still gives 100%. Despite about how I feel about the way he's booked, he ALWAYS did, and still does. No matter what. Especially at a hostile arena like ONS. And at the same place, people were crapping all over Mike Awesome and he gave it his all anyway and put on a great match, and they were shouting "this is awesome" by the middle/end of it.
I'm sure there were many fans, especially younger fans, who were excited for the match and weren't thinking about how they were both leaving. And even if they knew, they would want their last match to be memorable. But no.
Goldberg and Brock Lesnar both come off as huge primadonnas who need to get over themselves and grow up.
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Post by percymania on Jan 17, 2011 20:43:47 GMT -5
They played off the crowd. I can't blame them for that.
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Post by mrjl on Jan 17, 2011 21:12:49 GMT -5
It actually saddens me that people are defending Lesnar and Goldberg for completely half-assing their performance. Can't say I'm suprised though. Why? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 21:34:45 GMT -5
What incentive did they possibly have to put on so much as a Heat-quality match? Who actually works hard on the last day of a job they quit? Trish Stratus? |
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Post by ptp2011 on Jan 17, 2011 21:41:30 GMT -5
What incentive did they possibly have to put on so much as a Heat-quality match? Who actually works hard on the last day of a job they quit? Trish Stratus? At least she had incentives, solid fan support AND retaining the Women's belt. |
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Post by chunkylover53 on Jan 17, 2011 21:45:44 GMT -5
It's really unprofessional behavior. They could've have put on at least a decent match. Fans boo John Cena (well used to) all the time and he still gives 100%. Despite about how I feel about the way he's booked, he ALWAYS did, and still does. No matter what. Especially at a hostile arena like ONS. And at the same place, people were crapping all over Mike Awesome and he gave it his all anyway and put on a great match, and they were shouting "this is awesome" by the middle/end of it. I'm sure there were many fans, especially younger fans, who were excited for the match and weren't thinking about how they were both leaving. And even if they knew, they would want their last match to be memorable. But no. Goldberg and Brock Lesnar both come off as huge primadonnas who need to get over themselves and grow up. How exactly would it benefit THEM to put on a star-studded match KNOWING the fans would crap on them regardless other than giving them the consolation that they tried? I agree with the people who defended their decision to half-ass it. I'll use myself as an example for my job. I work at Olive Garden and I busted my balls off for 6 months before I got my review. When I got my performance review, I was given a FIFTEEN CENT raise. I was told in the next 6 months if I perform the same or better I'll be given a TWENTY-FIVE cent raise. Whats the point of busting my ass if I'm not going to get a big raise? Not that I felt it was a promising place to work to begin with, but still, it gives me no incentive to improve, and I'll just continue going through the motions of the job until I can find something better. Common sense really. |
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