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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 0:44:34 GMT -5
A title likely would seal Dirk's status as maybe the best European NBA'er ever. No, A title adds to Dirk's legacy as being the greatest European player ever. Who measures up to him? Dražen Petroviæ
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Post by Jazzman on Jun 10, 2011 0:53:21 GMT -5
No, A title adds to Dirk's legacy as being the greatest European player ever. Who measures up to him? Dražen Petroviæ Hate to say it, but saying Drazen is the best European is like saying that JFK was the best president. It's more based on what could have happened. He was never one of the top 5 guys in the league like Dirk is. He never had success equal to Dirk in the NBA, never was the star that we was, and just wasn't as good. He's a tragic tale of a great talent gone too soon, but he's not the best European player in the history of the NBA
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 10, 2011 1:28:04 GMT -5
I think Dirk is going to have a monster game Sunday. He's playing like he's on a mission and nothing is stopping him. I feel 2006 has motivated him to the level of Larry Bird honestly. This is the exact line of reasoning of why I don't want to see the Mavericks win it. I mean, Larry Bird? Really? Yeah, why not? Dirk is playing lights out and I honestly feel the 2006 loss is what is motivating him that is making clutch plays, clutch shots, and etc similar to Larry Bird. I'm not going to say Dallas has it won or anything, but in my opinion, I feel his play is similar to Bird now when it comes to clutch. Let's be honest. If Miami wins the series, do you think Wade would get the MVP honors? Of course not. It would go to Lebron and they'd paint him as the next MJ, Magic Johnson, or Isiah Thomas. But God forbid anyone says Dirk is similar to Bird.
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Post by casualobserver on Jun 10, 2011 2:31:03 GMT -5
A title likely would seal Dirk's status as maybe the best European NBA'er ever. No, A title adds to Dirk's legacy as being the greatest European player ever. Who measures up to him? The closest one I can think of is Tony Parker since he's the first Euro to win a Finals MVP and Dirk will likely have one too if the Mavs win. But Dirk definitely has the best resume of any Euro player.
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Post by Tyfo on Jun 10, 2011 6:22:36 GMT -5
I think Dirk is going to have a monster game Sunday. He's playing like he's on a mission and nothing is stopping him. I feel 2006 has motivated him to the level of Larry Bird honestly. This is the exact line of reasoning of why I don't want to see the Mavericks win it. I mean, Larry Bird? Really? Dirk's closer to being Larry Bird then LeBron is to being Michael Jordan, which has been shoved down our throats for 8+ years now.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 10, 2011 6:40:18 GMT -5
This is the exact line of reasoning of why I don't want to see the Mavericks win it. I mean, Larry Bird? Really? Dirk's closer to being Larry Bird then LeBron is to being Michael Jordan, which has been shoved down our throats for 8+ years now. Agreed. Dirk is not Larry Bird. There wont be another one. But, he's the closest thing you'll see to him. Lebron has NOT up until this moment, shown that he has the killer edge and nastiness that Jordan, or Bird, or any of the true greats had.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 10, 2011 7:25:14 GMT -5
I can see some comparison to Bird, with the way he shoots, but I don't think Dirk is as good as Bird was. However, considering that Bird was arguably a top 5 All-time NBA talent, I don't think that's too much of an insult.
As for the best European players over, the only two who should enter the conversation with Dirk are Dominique Wilkins and Pau Gasol, and Dirk is better than both of them. Of course, Wilkins was only born in Europe, he was an American Citizen, so he really shouldn't count.
But what we should be talking about is best international NBA players of all time, since Dirk really should be in that conversation.
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Post by Jazzman on Jun 10, 2011 10:00:06 GMT -5
I can see some comparison to Bird, with the way he shoots, but I don't think Dirk is as good as Bird was. However, considering that Bird was arguably a top 5 All-time NBA talent, I don't think that's too much of an insult. As for the best European players over, the only two who should enter the conversation with Dirk are Dominique Wilkins and Pau Gasol, and Dirk is better than both of them. Of course, Wilkins was only born in Europe, he was an American Citizen, so he really shouldn't count. But what we should be talking about is best international NBA players of all time, since Dirk really should be in that conversation. On my list he's #2 only behind Hakeem
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Post by angryfan on Jun 10, 2011 10:05:29 GMT -5
I can see some comparison to Bird, with the way he shoots, but I don't think Dirk is as good as Bird was. However, considering that Bird was arguably a top 5 All-time NBA talent, I don't think that's too much of an insult. As for the best European players over, the only two who should enter the conversation with Dirk are Dominique Wilkins and Pau Gasol, and Dirk is better than both of them. Of course, Wilkins was only born in Europe, he was an American Citizen, so he really shouldn't count. But what we should be talking about is best international NBA players of all time, since Dirk really should be in that conversation. On my list he's #2 only behind Hakeem You now, Hakeem has always been a strange case. People will freely admit he's one of the all-time greats, but generally when "Best International Player of All Time" comes up he somehow gets missed and I'm not sure why that is. Will say this, saw him at a press conference early in the season, and the man looks like he could walk on to the court and play well today.
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Post by BRV on Jun 10, 2011 10:07:42 GMT -5
I just caught the video of Dwyane Wade and LeBron James mocking Dirk Nowitzki's illness during morning shoot-around before yesterday's game. I've got to say, for somebody who embellishes and sells "injuries" as much as Dwyane Wade does (including last night's "hip injury"), he shouldn't be calling out anyone else for possibly faking injuries/illnesses. Pot. kettle. black.
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Post by Jazzman on Jun 10, 2011 10:16:40 GMT -5
On my list he's #2 only behind Hakeem You now, Hakeem has always been a strange case. People will freely admit he's one of the all-time greats, but generally when "Best International Player of All Time" comes up he somehow gets missed and I'm not sure why that is. Will say this, saw him at a press conference early in the season, and the man looks like he could walk on to the court and play well today. It's probably because he played at Houston, was a college star, and people may have forgotten about the fact he wasn't from here. The thing is that now when we think of an International player, we think of guys who come from the Euro leagues. Also, how much pain do you think Bucks fans are having watching Dirk, since they drafted him and flipped him for the late Tractor Traylor. Truly one of the worst deals in NBA history.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 10, 2011 10:17:05 GMT -5
On my list he's #2 only behind Hakeem You now, Hakeem has always been a strange case. People will freely admit he's one of the all-time greats, but generally when "Best International Player of All Time" comes up he somehow gets missed and I'm not sure why that is. Probably because Olajuwon, IIRC, not only became a US citizen, but competed for the US in the Olympics.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 10, 2011 10:18:48 GMT -5
If Dallas can finish them off, can we all point and laugh at the Heat for that asinine 'victory party' they threw the day after Lebron's decision? Where does that rank on the "You shouldnt have done that" scale?
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Post by angryfan on Jun 10, 2011 10:24:12 GMT -5
You now, Hakeem has always been a strange case. People will freely admit he's one of the all-time greats, but generally when "Best International Player of All Time" comes up he somehow gets missed and I'm not sure why that is. Probably because Olajuwon, IIRC, not only became a US citizen, but competed for the US in the Olympics. He did, you are correct on both counts, but still.
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Post by Jazzman on Jun 10, 2011 10:28:04 GMT -5
You now, Hakeem has always been a strange case. People will freely admit he's one of the all-time greats, but generally when "Best International Player of All Time" comes up he somehow gets missed and I'm not sure why that is. Probably because Olajuwon, IIRC, not only became a US citizen, but competed for the US in the Olympics. Yep, played in 1996 for the USA. Became a citizen in 1993. Honestly, if I'm putting together a starting 5 of international players in NBA history it looks like this PG: Steve Nash SG: Detlef Schrempf SF: Dominique Wilkins PF: Dirk Nowitzki C: Hakeem Olajuwon
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Post by MGH on Jun 10, 2011 10:30:03 GMT -5
If Dallas can finish them off, can we all point and laugh at the Heat for that asinine 'victory party' they threw the day after Lebron's decision? Where does that rank on the "You shouldnt have done that" scale? I actually don't think so. I'll sit here and mock LeBron for this series and it's no secret how big a fan of his I am, but people have blown that stupid celebration a mile out of proportion. I never understood why anyone cared in the first place. Just because Pierce, Allen, and Garnett are more low key, laid back dudes doesn't mean everyone else is like that, and want to come in with a quiet press conference. They're in Miami, the fans (well, the ones who give a s*** down there) loved it, and it seemed like a fun time. Seems silly to hold that of all things against them. Mocking Dirk being sick, proclaiming "NOW OR NEVAR" and vanishing again, bringing all this hate on themselves then whining in press conferences? Oh yeah, that's ridiculous as hell. But the celebration thing? I don't get it. Seems really over sensitive when people look at that and get all offended. It's no worse than Dallas publicly releasing their parade route in 06 before getting owned a week later.
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Post by S-Chrome on Jun 10, 2011 13:11:22 GMT -5
Let's be honest. If Miami wins the series, do you think Wade would get the MVP honors? Of course not. It would go to Lebron and they'd paint him as the next MJ, Magic Johnson, or Isiah Thomas. But God forbid anyone says Dirk is similar to Bird. Yeah, despite Wade outperforming LeBron in every game thus far, LeBron getting the MVP would fit right into this carefully-crafted anti-Maverick conspiracy that you've spearheaded. Well done. I don't want to bring up rings or something like that, but Bird was twice the player that Dirk is. Bird would've got these hapless Mavericks at least a couple of championship rings by now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 13:31:02 GMT -5
I don't want to bring up rings or something like that, but Bird was twice the player that Dirk is. Bird would've got these hapless Mavericks at least a couple of championship rings by now. The 80's Celtics were more than just Larry Bird, who consistently was hampered by back problems his entire career. They also had Robert Parish.
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Post by S-Chrome on Jun 10, 2011 13:54:49 GMT -5
I don't want to bring up rings or something like that, but Bird was twice the player that Dirk is. Bird would've got these hapless Mavericks at least a couple of championship rings by now. The 80's Celtics were more than just Larry Bird, who consistently was hampered by back problems his entire career. They also had Robert Parish. There was also Kevin McHale, Dennis Johnson and Greg Kite. Dallas has had a team full of depth (Perhaps historic depth even) for a while now, and their just now closer to a title than they've ever been. Dirk is just now doing what Bird would've done three times over.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 10, 2011 14:05:37 GMT -5
I would say Dirk is on the same level as Bird offensively. But Bird was a better all-around player and court general. Still this is comparing one of the best players in the NBA today to one of the best players to ever play. Dirk's a fantastic player either way. Also, unless LeBron has PHENOMENAL games in six and seven and doesn't regress to a member of the Washington Generals in the fourth quarter, there's no way Wade doesn't get MVP honors if the Heat win the series. Wade's been carrying him big time. If Dallas can finish them off, can we all point and laugh at the Heat for that asinine 'victory party' they threw the day after Lebron's decision? Where does that rank on the "You shouldnt have done that" scale? I would say it's on the same level of ridiculousness as the 18-1 New England Patriots celebrating their "perfect" season and Super Bowl win in the week before the Giants played the Ultimate Spoiler.
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