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Post by TheVoiceofReason on Oct 22, 2011 16:20:09 GMT -5
As a first-year uni student, a completely directionless one at that, I took it upon myself to watch this documentary. Overall, I gained quite a bit of insight from it, and it opened my eyes to a lot. I'm still not fully convinced, though.
So, on that note, what do you all think about higher education?
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Post by Methusael86 on Oct 22, 2011 16:48:04 GMT -5
I want to know why colleges offer Associate's Degree if NOBODY hires people with Associate's Degree.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Oct 22, 2011 17:20:37 GMT -5
I want to know why colleges offer Associate's Degree if NOBODY hires people with Associate's Degree. They want your money.
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Post by Handsome Halfbreed on Oct 22, 2011 17:42:56 GMT -5
Exactly! Its a business. No different than going to school for karate.
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Post by spec on Oct 22, 2011 21:21:55 GMT -5
What's the gist of this documentary?
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Post by Red Impact on Oct 22, 2011 22:11:43 GMT -5
Higher education has a lot of problems, but ultimately the biggest issue is that people, especially impressionable young freshmen, have completely unrealistic expectations about what it is or isn't.
Colleges offer a lot of courses that give personal enrichment to a student, which is great. The problem is that a lot of those are majors, and people take those thinking there's a viable career path when there isn't. For example, freshmen go in thinking "I'm going to be a film studies major so I can be hired as a movie critic" not realizing or researching the fact that no one hires dedicated film critics, the closest things there are are journalists who also do film reviews. So at the end, they have a lot of loans and a degree that won't get them a job in the field their degree is in. Often times, people don't truly know what jobs there are in their degree field, or don't understand the odds of getting certain jobs.
And it doesn't help that there's a lot of societal pressure to go to school right after high school even if you don't know what you want to do, thinking that you'll find out in a year or so what you want to do with the rest of your life.
Then, of course, there are those entities known as for profit universities that are designed to play on high schoolers desires to get careers in sexy jobs and then proceed to bilk them out of a lot of money and provide a degree that isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
So yeah, tl:dr version, schools offer too many unpractical majors and students need to actually research and spend time going in deciding if what they want to study is really feasible and if those schools playing ads at 1 a.m. for videogame design degrees are really legit. College isn't for everyone, nor should it be, nor should there only be a small age window where it's considered.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Oct 23, 2011 0:10:21 GMT -5
Higher education has a lot of problems, but ultimately the biggest issue is that people, especially impressionable young freshmen, have completely unrealistic expectations about what it is or isn't. Colleges offer a lot of courses that give personal enrichment to a student, which is great. The problem is that a lot of those are majors, and people take those thinking there's a viable career path when there isn't. For example, freshmen go in thinking "I'm going to be a film studies major so I can be hired as a movie critic" not realizing or researching the fact that no one hires dedicated film critics, the closest things there are are journalists who also do film reviews. So at the end, they have a lot of loans and a degree that won't get them a job in the field their degree is in. Often times, people don't truly know what jobs there are in their degree field, or don't understand the odds of getting certain jobs. And it doesn't help that there's a lot of societal pressure to go to school right after high school even if you don't know what you want to do, thinking that you'll find out in a year or so what you want to do with the rest of your life. Then, of course, there are those entities known as for profit universities that are designed to play on high schoolers desires to get careers in sexy jobs and then proceed to bilk them out of a lot of money and provide a degree that isn't worth the paper it's printed on. So yeah, tl:dr version, schools offer too many unpractical majors and students need to actually research and spend time going in deciding if what they want to study is really feasible and if those schools playing ads at 1 a.m. for videogame design degrees are really legit. College isn't for everyone, nor should it be, nor should there only be a small age window where it's considered. I agree entirely with you. That's all I have to say.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2011 9:42:32 GMT -5
I want to know why colleges offer Associate's Degree if NOBODY hires people with Associate's Degree. They want your money. I went after an associates degree because I wanted to cover my basics. My grades out of high school were not that great so I thought a lot of schools would keep me out. Turns out I never got the degree but the school I was eyeing took me in anyway. If I ever wanted to I am simply one single Math credit from being able to get that degree...but I'm also 3 classes and 2 comprehensive exams from graduating with a Bachelor's degree in English (emphasis in writing) so I'm in no hurry. I essentially wanted the degree to make getting into a University easier, turns out I didn't need it. That was what got me. I was under the impression from several places it was necessary unless you wanted in a podunk University. THAT BEING SAID...most places that offer associates have basic classes for less money. If you can take care of the basics at a school that offers associates degrees (community colleges for example), you save some bucks. It's still not cheap, but it helped me at least. But some offer associates in other areas that, unless your competing against people right out of high school and/or people with G.E.D.s, then it doesn't do jack to separate you, especially if you don't have work experience, which at that level, can become a dealbreaker. I've seen people out of high school who have worked a year at an auto parts store get a job as a mechanic over someone with an associates in automotive care/mechanics but no experience on-the-job. That's why internships and school activity involvement (I work on the school paper, for example) in your major-of-choice are an equal dealbreaker among picking people with Bachelor's degrees. Higher education has a lot of problems, but ultimately the biggest issue is that people, especially impressionable young freshmen, have completely unrealistic expectations about what it is or isn't. Colleges offer a lot of courses that give personal enrichment to a student, which is great. The problem is that a lot of those are majors, and people take those thinking there's a viable career path when there isn't. For example, freshmen go in thinking "I'm going to be a film studies major so I can be hired as a movie critic" not realizing or researching the fact that no one hires dedicated film critics, the closest things there are are journalists who also do film reviews. So at the end, they have a lot of loans and a degree that won't get them a job in the field their degree is in. Often times, people don't truly know what jobs there are in their degree field, or don't understand the odds of getting certain jobs. And it doesn't help that there's a lot of societal pressure to go to school right after high school even if you don't know what you want to do, thinking that you'll find out in a year or so what you want to do with the rest of your life. Then, of course, there are those entities known as for profit universities that are designed to play on high schoolers desires to get careers in sexy jobs and then proceed to bilk them out of a lot of money and provide a degree that isn't worth the paper it's printed on. So yeah, tl:dr version, schools offer too many unpractical majors and students need to actually research and spend time going in deciding if what they want to study is really feasible and if those schools playing ads at 1 a.m. for videogame design degrees are really legit. College isn't for everyone, nor should it be, nor should there only be a small age window where it's considered. I agree entirely with you. That's all I have to say. I went into my current college for an English degree with an emphasis in Writing for this same reason (that and I love to write). I wanted to change majors after a year (I got some credits done when I went to community college) to a Communication degree with an emphasis in journalism (which now that I'm working on the school paper, I'm glad I didn't...but all the same). I had it looked into and found that it offered the exact same opportunities for the exact same jobs. So I never changed it. I did add a minor in Communication though.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 23, 2011 10:08:36 GMT -5
Higher education has a lot of problems, but ultimately the biggest issue is that people, especially impressionable young freshmen, have completely unrealistic expectations about what it is or isn't. Colleges offer a lot of courses that give personal enrichment to a student, which is great. The problem is that a lot of those are majors, and people take those thinking there's a viable career path when there isn't. For example, freshmen go in thinking "I'm going to be a film studies major so I can be hired as a movie critic" not realizing or researching the fact that no one hires dedicated film critics, the closest things there are are journalists who also do film reviews. So at the end, they have a lot of loans and a degree that won't get them a job in the field their degree is in. Often times, people don't truly know what jobs there are in their degree field, or don't understand the odds of getting certain jobs. And it doesn't help that there's a lot of societal pressure to go to school right after high school even if you don't know what you want to do, thinking that you'll find out in a year or so what you want to do with the rest of your life. Then, of course, there are those entities known as for profit universities that are designed to play on high schoolers desires to get careers in sexy jobs and then proceed to bilk them out of a lot of money and provide a degree that isn't worth the paper it's printed on. So yeah, tl:dr version, schools offer too many unpractical majors and students need to actually research and spend time going in deciding if what they want to study is really feasible and if those schools playing ads at 1 a.m. for videogame design degrees are really legit. College isn't for everyone, nor should it be, nor should there only be a small age window where it's considered. Look, it is the responsibility of the student to do the legwork. The university cannot help it if a large population of their students don't do so. Having said that, some departments and institutions are more user friendly than others. I am currently an instructor in the local community college's biotechnology department. I instruct students in a way that is intended to help them succeed in a couple of future endeavors; transfer to IU (with its sink or swim mentality) or completion of a biotechnology degree with us that does have connections with several of the local biotechnology companies in town. If my students do transfer to IU, they should have a better idea of what they need to do in order to be successful than those who went straight there from high school.
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Post by trollrogue on Oct 23, 2011 11:36:55 GMT -5
Alls I know is, I got a B.A. in English from the University of Florida, and I'm a clerk at 7-Eleven with huge amounts of student loans to still pay off.
Thanks a lot college!
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 23, 2011 11:41:15 GMT -5
I want to know why colleges offer Associate's Degree if NOBODY hires people with Associate's Degree. Eh-Hem.............
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 23, 2011 12:33:40 GMT -5
Higher education has a lot of problems, but ultimately the biggest issue is that people, especially impressionable young freshmen, have completely unrealistic expectations about what it is or isn't. Colleges offer a lot of courses that give personal enrichment to a student, which is great. The problem is that a lot of those are majors, and people take those thinking there's a viable career path when there isn't. For example, freshmen go in thinking "I'm going to be a film studies major so I can be hired as a movie critic" not realizing or researching the fact that no one hires dedicated film critics, the closest things there are are journalists who also do film reviews. So at the end, they have a lot of loans and a degree that won't get them a job in the field their degree is in. Often times, people don't truly know what jobs there are in their degree field, or don't understand the odds of getting certain jobs. And it doesn't help that there's a lot of societal pressure to go to school right after high school even if you don't know what you want to do, thinking that you'll find out in a year or so what you want to do with the rest of your life. Then, of course, there are those entities known as for profit universities that are designed to play on high schoolers desires to get careers in sexy jobs and then proceed to bilk them out of a lot of money and provide a degree that isn't worth the paper it's printed on. So yeah, tl:dr version, schools offer too many unpractical majors and students need to actually research and spend time going in deciding if what they want to study is really feasible and if those schools playing ads at 1 a.m. for videogame design degrees are really legit. College isn't for everyone, nor should it be, nor should there only be a small age window where it's considered. Not to mention, IMO, that I think it would cost less by an order of magnitude should many of the less practical majors (those with little to no career field) be eliminated (and the courses de-emphasized). I understand that it would also mean less professors (and less tenure), but in keeping costs down, it would also mean that many people who truly WANT to go would be able to, and possibly not entice those who feel they HAVE to go (when they still remain directionless) from putting themselves six figures into debt. I would have really liked to have been able to go to a real college away from home, but my family didn't trust me to when I was of the appropriate age. Now I'm too old, I can't afford it, I'm working full time, and I just can't assume the risk that putting myself in that level of debt entails (especially since I can't go back to the local community college, never mind that the instructors there are horrible and have no desire to point a struggling student in a direction that could help get them back on track. They're all just there to be paid.).
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 23, 2011 14:07:09 GMT -5
When entities provide loans to ANYONE for a college education, it inflates prices beyond all reason.
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Post by smokinvokoun on Oct 23, 2011 16:39:19 GMT -5
I'm watching it right now. It's kinda scary to be honest.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 23, 2011 17:35:56 GMT -5
Higher education has a lot of problems, but ultimately the biggest issue is that people, especially impressionable young freshmen, have completely unrealistic expectations about what it is or isn't. Colleges offer a lot of courses that give personal enrichment to a student, which is great. The problem is that a lot of those are majors, and people take those thinking there's a viable career path when there isn't. For example, freshmen go in thinking "I'm going to be a film studies major so I can be hired as a movie critic" not realizing or researching the fact that no one hires dedicated film critics, the closest things there are are journalists who also do film reviews. So at the end, they have a lot of loans and a degree that won't get them a job in the field their degree is in. Often times, people don't truly know what jobs there are in their degree field, or don't understand the odds of getting certain jobs. And it doesn't help that there's a lot of societal pressure to go to school right after high school even if you don't know what you want to do, thinking that you'll find out in a year or so what you want to do with the rest of your life. Then, of course, there are those entities known as for profit universities that are designed to play on high schoolers desires to get careers in sexy jobs and then proceed to bilk them out of a lot of money and provide a degree that isn't worth the paper it's printed on. So yeah, tl:dr version, schools offer too many unpractical majors and students need to actually research and spend time going in deciding if what they want to study is really feasible and if those schools playing ads at 1 a.m. for videogame design degrees are really legit. College isn't for everyone, nor should it be, nor should there only be a small age window where it's considered. Not to mention, IMO, that I think it would cost less by an order of magnitude should many of the less practical majors (those with little to no career field) be eliminated (and the courses de-emphasized). I understand that it would also mean less professors (and less tenure), but in keeping costs down, it would also mean that many people who truly WANT to go would be able to, and possibly not entice those who feel they HAVE to go (when they still remain directionless) from putting themselves six figures into debt. I would have really liked to have been able to go to a real college away from home, but my family didn't trust me to when I was of the appropriate age. Now I'm too old, I can't afford it, I'm working full time, and I just can't assume the risk that putting myself in that level of debt entails (especially since I can't go back to the local community college, never mind that the instructors there are horrible and have no desire to point a struggling student in a direction that could help get them back on track. They're all just there to be paid.). This is going to be a hard post to read as I will respond to an insult with some strong words, but I will offer some sound advice and encouragement at the end. Did you not catch my post stating that I am an instructor? You more or less just said that I don't care about my students. Believe me, I do. I will not, however, stress out over students that will not put forth effort on their own. If you ask me a question, I will stay for an hour after class in order to make sure that you understand. If you don't want to put in any effort, however, you have no chance at getting anything out of class no matter what I do. It is my fervent intent to make sure that not only everyone that tries in my class passes, but actually finishes my class in a better position to succeed than they had before. I bend over backwards for every student that attends, stays awake, and participates in lab or lecture. If I did that for the students that skip class, sleep, don't listen to my lectures or instructions, and half-ass it in every conceivable way, I will drive myself nuts. If you got that impression from all of your instructors, you might wonder what you were doing to get that reaction. Having said all that, I don't believe that anyone is too old to go back to school. I actually took 8 years off from school and it was a very good thing for me. Prior to that I was an average student at best, but that was no ones fault but my own. I went back much more mature and was an exceptional student after my return. I believe that you could do so as well, but you will have to do like I did and bite the bullet for a while. You might have to work full time on 2nd shift and take about 12 credits a semester instead of the 18 that people try to take on, but it is doable.
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Post by theryno665 on Oct 23, 2011 17:40:15 GMT -5
Exactly! Its a business. No different than going to school for karate. I wish I got an Associate's Degree in Karate. It'd be more useful than the real one I got.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 23, 2011 18:00:58 GMT -5
Not to mention, IMO, that I think it would cost less by an order of magnitude should many of the less practical majors (those with little to no career field) be eliminated (and the courses de-emphasized). I understand that it would also mean less professors (and less tenure), but in keeping costs down, it would also mean that many people who truly WANT to go would be able to, and possibly not entice those who feel they HAVE to go (when they still remain directionless) from putting themselves six figures into debt. I would have really liked to have been able to go to a real college away from home, but my family didn't trust me to when I was of the appropriate age. Now I'm too old, I can't afford it, I'm working full time, and I just can't assume the risk that putting myself in that level of debt entails (especially since I can't go back to the local community college, never mind that the instructors there are horrible and have no desire to point a struggling student in a direction that could help get them back on track. They're all just there to be paid.). This is going to be a hard post to read as I will respond to an insult with some strong words, but I will offer some sound advice and encouragement at the end. Did you not catch my post stating that I am an instructor? You more or less just said that I don't care about my students. Believe me, I do. I will not, however, stress out over students that will not put forth effort on their own. If you ask me a question, I will stay for an hour after class in order to make sure that you understand. If you don't want to put in any effort, however, you have no chance at getting anything out of class no matter what I do. It is my fervent intent to make sure that not only everyone that tries in my class passes, but actually finishes my class in a better position to succeed than they had before. I bend over backwards for every student that attends, stays awake, and participates in lab or lecture. If I did that for the students that skip class, sleep, don't listen to my lectures or instructions, and half-ass it in every conceivable way, I will drive myself nuts. If you got that impression from all of your instructors, you might wonder what you were doing to get that reaction. Having said all that, I don't believe that anyone is too old to go back to school. I actually took 8 years off from school and it was a very good thing for me. Prior to that I was an average student at best, but that was no ones fault but my own. I went back much more mature and was an exceptional student after my return. I believe that you could do so as well, but you will have to do like I did and bite the bullet for a while. You might have to work full time on 2nd shift and take about 12 credits a semester instead of the 18 that people try to take on, but it is doable. Unless you're specifically at the school I went to straight out of high school, you shouldn't be taking it as an insult, as it was something specific to them. And you may wish to claim solidarity with them, but there's no reason to. I asked many times for suggestions while I was struggling, and they just said "If you don't know how to do what I'm teaching, I don't know of anything that would help you." And there's the problem. If I wasn't having any problems, I wouldn't need to be asking for suggestions for other avenues to receive help (as no, I don't expect them to have the time or inclination to do so directly. Being pointed in the right direction would have helped, though.) Again, though, I sincerely doubt you were working at that specific school in 1999.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 23, 2011 18:54:00 GMT -5
This is going to be a hard post to read as I will respond to an insult with some strong words, but I will offer some sound advice and encouragement at the end. Did you not catch my post stating that I am an instructor? You more or less just said that I don't care about my students. Believe me, I do. I will not, however, stress out over students that will not put forth effort on their own. If you ask me a question, I will stay for an hour after class in order to make sure that you understand. If you don't want to put in any effort, however, you have no chance at getting anything out of class no matter what I do. It is my fervent intent to make sure that not only everyone that tries in my class passes, but actually finishes my class in a better position to succeed than they had before. I bend over backwards for every student that attends, stays awake, and participates in lab or lecture. If I did that for the students that skip class, sleep, don't listen to my lectures or instructions, and half-ass it in every conceivable way, I will drive myself nuts. If you got that impression from all of your instructors, you might wonder what you were doing to get that reaction. Having said all that, I don't believe that anyone is too old to go back to school. I actually took 8 years off from school and it was a very good thing for me. Prior to that I was an average student at best, but that was no ones fault but my own. I went back much more mature and was an exceptional student after my return. I believe that you could do so as well, but you will have to do like I did and bite the bullet for a while. You might have to work full time on 2nd shift and take about 12 credits a semester instead of the 18 that people try to take on, but it is doable. Unless you're specifically at the school I went to straight out of high school, you shouldn't be taking it as an insult, as it was something specific to them. And you may wish to claim solidarity with them, but there's no reason to. I asked many times for suggestions while I was struggling, and they just said "If you don't know how to do what I'm teaching, I don't know of anything that would help you." And there's the problem. If I wasn't having any problems, I wouldn't need to be asking for suggestions for other avenues to receive help (as no, I don't expect them to have the time or inclination to do so directly. Being pointed in the right direction would have helped, though.) Again, though, I sincerely doubt you were working at that specific school in 1999. Therein lies the confusion. You actually state that you asked for help, which unless you asked for help boosting your grade really late in the semester you should have gotten some help. Your first post hit a nerve because it sounded a lot like several students that I have met that blamed me for their bad grades because I expect too much (despite 80% of the other students living up to that standard). I get worked up when students expect an education to be a cakewalk just because high school was. It isn't. You have to work at it from start to finish. If you do not, it is hard to keep up. It is not just you, but everyone who has that issue. As I stated before, I am more than willing to spend hours of my free time helping students, but when I have to spend hours in the last week of class arguing with students who I watch sleep every lecture about what is fair means that I cannot spend that time on students that are trying like crazy but are struggling despite their effort. That irritates me, though I can think of what guy that trumped that. I had one student when I was a visiting instructor helping with an intensive writing class that drove us instructors crazy. He only attended lecture on the first day, on a day he was supposed to give a short presentation, on the day of the midterm, and the day of the final. Because he missed so much, he was unable to get any group to take him for the mandatory group presentation and I elected not to force any team to take him (I saw firsthand as a student myself how disruptive to a group that can be). He always turned in every assignment 2 weeks late at best (with a 3%/day penalty). Since he never heard a single lecture, he bombed the midterm hard. He was on track to get an F in the class, which was mandatory for graduation, even if he aced the final. He asked to talk to me when he turned in his final and we organized a time where he could meet with all of the instructors at the same time that afternoon. He actually had the nerve to ask what he could do to improve his grade, including rewriting all his assignments (for me to grade, of course, with about a day before my deadline to turn in grades). He pleaded because he was a senior and as I said before the class was a requirement for graduation. He said that he could not retake the class in the summer because he was supposed to go to medical school and he could not do so if he did not have the class in his transcript for the spring semester. I guess he did not get into medical school because I did not give him anything. I mean, who in the hell has the balls to ask AFTER the final for the opportunity to give me a ton of work with an extremely short deadline just because they decided to spend the previous 4 months doing anything other than what any reasonable person would expect of them?
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Post by unc40 on Oct 23, 2011 20:29:20 GMT -5
Higher education is great if you want to be a doctor or a lawyer but to go to school for a AA then you are wasting time and money. I was watching a show where Suze Orman was taking questions from an audience and a guy stood up and mentioned he was $100,000 in debt from student loans. This guy looked so depressed I wonder if he cared whether he lived or died. After Suze listened to him she talked about how getting college degree was the best thing in the world and how it was worth it even if it meant you having to take 2 or 3 jobs to pay off the debt. I don't see myself stressing out to pay a huge loan and giving myself a heart attack doing it. You can have your college degree I will take life.
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Post by wcw on Oct 23, 2011 23:43:54 GMT -5
If you go to college to get a job as your only motivation then you aren't going for the right reason. 4 year colleges aren't job programs. You could go to a trade school or a community college to get training in most careers. Not saying that shouldn't be the destination but that shouldn't be the only reason you go.
You go to a 4 year college enrich your mind. The idea of getting a job as your only reason to go to college isn't the right way to go. You could easily find an entry level job at a company right out of high school and use the 4+ years you would have normally gone to school for and probably end up making more at the end of the 4 years than you would have after getting your degree.
Let me tell you a very personal story to those who think college is a waste of time and money because you could find another way to get a job. I work at a bowling alley and me and my pal from high school started there in late 2007 right after we graduated high school.
We both started off going to college and wanting to get 4 year degrees. 6 months in we both got promotions that paid us 10 dollars an hour. We both still had time to go to school and do what we wanted it was part time work that paid better.
1 year in I got offered a 12ish dollar an hour assistant department head job, but it was full time 34+ hours a week and 40+ during busy seasons (Winter mostly). I had a choice to make take the raise and basically give up school one year in to make more money or decline the promotion and go to school. I chose school, I didn't want to work in a bowling alley my whole life and I enjoyed going to school. My job paid the bills and it wasn't very mentally stimulating.
Now my friend took that job, he decided to quit school because he couldn't handle the school work and the full time hours (You can't go to school full time and work 36+ hours a week, and it takes a lot of dedication to go part time on top of full time work). He eventually got the head of the front desk job a year and a half later and makes 42k a year (About that much depending on bonuses).
He is years away from finishing school and will likely be stuck there a lot longer than he had intended. But he is happy, he lives on his own, he has money to spend on what he likes, and I am not saying he did the wrong thing. But that wasn't for me, I will be graduating from college this May and I still work that 10 dollar an hour job (Although I make 10.95 an hour now!).
I could not be happier with my decision. I work about 25 to 30 hours a week (30 if I need more money) and if I needed time off I could flex that to 15-20 a week easily. I like going to college, its a lot better than knowing how to run the front desk of a bowling alley. And yeah it would be nice to make 42kish a year but than I would be stuck doing something I hated just because of the money.
You don't make decisions in life purely based off of money. Now I am not saying to everyone a 4 year school is for you or that you should become a philosophy major and enrich your mind (Find a degree that is useful). It might not be for you, go it your own way. But to see higher learning as simply a means to an end is selling it and your education short a lot.
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