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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 17:06:27 GMT -5
/shakes head/ Would've been a great opportunity for them to explain that Kane (heh, that rhymes...) "corrupted" Eve, rather than making her "generic heel Diva #251". The fans would've never accepted that kind of twist for a lot of reasons. For one, the E didn't foreshadow it, so it'd just be looked at as a melodramatic Russo swerve. And two, Eve isn't a good enough actress to sell Kane's threats.
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Post by joebob27 on Feb 22, 2012 17:12:03 GMT -5
/shakes head/ Would've been a great opportunity for them to explain that Kane (heh, that rhymes...) "corrupted" Eve, rather than making her "generic heel Diva #251". The fans would've never accepted that kind of twist for a lot of reasons. For one, the E didn't foreshadow it, so it'd just be looked at as a melodramatic Russo swerve. And two, Eve isn't a good enough actress to sell Kane's threats. They accepted the stupid shit that happened on Monday, so why couldn't they accept that? Which is seriously stupidier, a psycho threatening someone into being evil, or someone magically becoming evil with no explanation and giving away her plan on camera to other people who would probably run off and tell the first person they saw afterwards? lol. Basically this is last ditch attempt #384 to get heel heat off Cena. Combined with teasing him changing characters.
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Post by norsisclouds on Feb 22, 2012 17:14:26 GMT -5
In a PG WWE circa 2012, they don't need to have the fans chanting "hoeski" at any woman. In particular when she's the Diva that does the most promotional work, and is one of the big promoters for Be A S.T.A.R. They really should have had Kane be the cause of it. Honestly that's the biggest reason why I'm surprised they went through with this. She's also in that contest with Mick Foley. Horrible timing.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 22, 2012 17:19:10 GMT -5
In particular when she's the Diva that does the most promotional work, and is one of the big promoters for Be A S.T.A.R. They really should have had Kane be the cause of it. Honestly that's the biggest reason why I'm surprised they went through with this. She's also in that contest with Mick Foley. Horrible timing. I forgot about the contest. There's also her Women Empowered deal where she and the Gracies go to colleges and offer free women's self defense courses. Yeah, really bad timing to turn her into just a generic manipulative heel.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 22, 2012 17:20:45 GMT -5
In a PG WWE circa 2012, they don't need to have the fans chanting "hoeski" at any woman. In particular when she's the Diva that does the most promotional work, and is one of the big promoters for Be A S.T.A.R. They really should have had Kane be the cause of it. She was the scapegoat for the hate Cena got. They were desperate to shift full heat onto her, because come hell or high water, they want Cena the 50/50 babyface at WrestleMania. Here's what I know: I have a couple of friends in WWE Creative. And they told me that, despite what was obvious to us, to Vince, Stephanie et al, they were shocked that Cena got booed so bad. Seriously. Vince is an alpha male, and thinks from that position when relating; and from his warped perspective, he didn't see the full potential fallout of Cena kissing Eve and "betraying a Broski". He saw it simply as a super-hero protector being embraced and rightfully preferred by a distraught woman - because to him, Cena the character is so obviously superior to Zack on every level. It baffled him when people showed genuine hate for Cena. He doesn’t truly relate to Zack’s everyman appeal, nor see anything truly wrong with Cena’s hypocrisy. It looked like it (the booing) was part of their plan, and the latest chapter in a slow-burn heel turn, but apparently that was not the case at all. It was all simply supposed to be on Kane for causing a fallout in a triangle of good people – leading to exactly what happened: Cena beating Kane and still being all happy & goofy. They didn't even really expect poor Eve, a plot device, to get as much heat as she did. Vince apparently believed that everyone would see them both as victims to Kane's machinations. WWE's been on damage control ever since. And Eve's the sacrificial lamb to maintain their failed Cena experiment.
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Post by hassanchop on Feb 22, 2012 17:24:58 GMT -5
Like i said in another thread they should just make this a split personality storyline, make it that Eve is two people in one, one is the caring side and the other is the manipulative side.
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Post by joebob27 on Feb 22, 2012 17:30:08 GMT -5
If that's true, they are really hopeless. Who tells them that Cena is this popular? Man are they in for a reality check starting next week.
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Post by mrjl on Feb 22, 2012 17:45:32 GMT -5
And just like that, WWE flushes "Embrace the Hate" down the toilet. it was a philosphy always bound to fail.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 17:50:17 GMT -5
Eve is starting to remind me a lot of Trish Stratus.
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Post by mrjl on Feb 22, 2012 17:51:53 GMT -5
The fans would've never accepted that kind of twist for a lot of reasons. For one, the E didn't foreshadow it, so it'd just be looked at as a melodramatic Russo swerve. And two, Eve isn't a good enough actress to sell Kane's threats. They accepted the stupid s*** that happened on Monday, so why couldn't they accept that? Which is seriously stupidier, a psycho threatening someone into being evil, or someone magically becoming evil with no explanation and giving away her plan on camera to other people who would probably run off and tell the first person they saw afterwards? lol. Basically this is last ditch attempt #384 to get heel heat off Cena. Combined with teasing him changing characters. if you look at Eve's past she has randomly paired up with guys in the past like R-Truth and then stopped with no explanation. So manipulative social climbing could easily be used to explain that.
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Post by joebob27 on Feb 22, 2012 17:59:58 GMT -5
They accepted the stupid s*** that happened on Monday, so why couldn't they accept that? Which is seriously stupidier, a psycho threatening someone into being evil, or someone magically becoming evil with no explanation and giving away her plan on camera to other people who would probably run off and tell the first person they saw afterwards? lol. Basically this is last ditch attempt #384 to get heel heat off Cena. Combined with teasing him changing characters. if you look at Eve's past she has randomly paired up with guys in the past like R-Truth and then stopped with no explanation. So manipulative social climbing could easily be used to explain that. Well they better get to explaining, because that was just stupid. It was a funny segment, but if that really was the purpose behind their writing of it, whoa.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 18:01:24 GMT -5
/shakes head/ Would've been a great opportunity for them to explain that Kane (heh, that rhymes...) "corrupted" Eve, rather than making her "generic heel Diva #251". The fans would've never accepted that kind of twist for a lot of reasons. For one, the E didn't foreshadow it, so it'd just be looked at as a melodramatic Russo swerve. And two, Eve isn't a good enough actress to sell Kane's threats. I think the way they did it was the way that lacked any kind of foreshadowing. Went from super concerned for Zack and feeling awful for what happened, to Evil Gloating (Just Between You and Me) the next week. It led to a fun segment, but it didn't really feel like good writing. They definitely skipped some steps, and it felt like a retcon to put all the heat on her and take it all off Cena. Having Kane "corrupt" her would have made more sense in a way, seeing as he'd been mentally torturing her and had her scared out of her wits, for herself and for Zack Ryder. That's foreshadowing enough, more than the way it ended up happening.
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Post by joebob27 on Feb 22, 2012 18:06:42 GMT -5
I guess the next step is that Ryder returns, becomes buds with Cena again, after WM and Rock are done, Ryder turns on Cena in a jealous rage because Cena is all the things he isn't.
Am I correct or am I correct? Then of course, both him and Eve hook up again because they can't contend with the saintly goodness of John Cena.
Hmm, I should put this on a cover letter and send it to Vince, I'll be his new favorite creative member, and I'll just remember not to reanimate Nazi popsicles.
I do seriously think that's where they're going to go with this, though. I hope so, I'd laugh my ass off if Ryder turned and the crowd stayed with him.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Feb 22, 2012 18:07:02 GMT -5
The fans would've never accepted that kind of twist for a lot of reasons. For one, the E didn't foreshadow it, so it'd just be looked at as a melodramatic Russo swerve. And two, Eve isn't a good enough actress to sell Kane's threats. I think the way they did it was the way that lacked any kind of foreshadowing. Went from super concerned for Zack and feeling awful for what happened, to Evil Gloating (Just Between You and Me) the next week. It led to a fun segment, but it didn't really feel like good writing. They definitely skipped some steps, and it felt like a retcon to put all the heat on her and take it all off Cena. Having Kane "corrupt" her would have made more sense in a way, seeing as he'd been mentally torturing her and had her scared out of her wits, for herself and for Zack Ryder. That's foreshadowing enough, more than the way it ended up happening. And hell, you could've easily written off that weird ending to Raw three weeks ago as the "start" of Kane corrupting Eve.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Feb 22, 2012 18:09:31 GMT -5
Now she's gonna scowl instead of smile during her entrance.
Yay.
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Post by CH Punk on Feb 22, 2012 18:20:48 GMT -5
After reading a couple of these posts, I have to ask: Does trying to get heat off Cena really do anything? It seems that a portion of the people that boo him would continue to do so regardless of any heat removal technique they could come up with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 18:32:24 GMT -5
After reading a couple of these posts, I have to ask: Does trying to get heat off Cena really do anything? It seems that a portion of the people that boo him would continue to do so regardless of any heat removal technique they could come up with. They do seem to want to build his fanbase and rile them up leading into Wrsetlemania. There's some that will boo no matter what, but there are some that will boo him but cheer when you can't help but admit that he's awesome. We saw that on Raw, that awesome promo made some of the boos fade and the cheers get louder. They're going for the reasonable folks on the fence.
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Post by joebob27 on Feb 22, 2012 18:32:36 GMT -5
After reading a couple of these posts, I have to ask: Does trying to get heat off Cena really do anything? It seems that a portion of the people that boo him would continue to do so regardless of any heat removal technique they could come up with. You'd have to ask Vince. I mean, this did actually work, until he came out and cut a promo on the Rock and the boos started again. They just seem really dense to me. Cena's fan support is holding on by a string and then they book him into situations that make it worse. If that post is true they're really out of touch and they keep getting the character into awful situations where he can't win. Why is it so hard to put him against someone detestable that no one likes? Like say, Wade Barrett? That worked. Don't put him in a comedy horror flick angle with Kane and have Kane be so ridiculous he's funny, and then have him steal another over face's chick during the course of it. Well, the plus side is if they keep doing this, they're going to inadvertantly turn Cena heel, if they keep going with this perception that he's the son of Superman and Jesus and whatever he does is right and whoever goes against him is wrong.
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Post by mrjl on Feb 22, 2012 18:51:16 GMT -5
if you look at Eve's past she has randomly paired up with guys in the past like R-Truth and then stopped with no explanation. So manipulative social climbing could easily be used to explain that. Well they better get to explaining, because that was just stupid. It was a funny segment, but if that really was the purpose behind their writing of it, whoa. sometimes if you want an adult story you have to infer things yourself
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Post by Widow's Peak on Feb 22, 2012 19:04:02 GMT -5
Eve is starting to remind me a lot of Trish Stratus. And turning into a slutty heel totally ruined her career.
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