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Post by CH Punk on Feb 22, 2012 19:06:23 GMT -5
Honestly that's the biggest reason why I'm surprised they went through with this. She's also in that contest with Mick Foley. Horrible timing. I forgot about the contest. There's also her Women Empowered deal where she and the Gracies go to colleges and offer free women's self defense courses. Yeah, really bad timing to turn her into just a generic manipulative heel. Being a heel, no matter how hated, has never stopped the WWE from using them on the PR circuit (see how main event heel Miz was on Blue Peter, an institution in kids TV in the UK, multiple times). And before we get totally angry about missed potential or how she's finished, we should wait at least a week to see how she's going to tie in with Ryder and if Kane will be involved.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 21:13:20 GMT -5
or someone magically becoming evil with no explanation and giving away her plan on camera to other people who would probably run off and tell the first person they saw afterwards? They planted seeds for an Eve heel turn, though. You'll notice throughout the Cena/Kane feud, She of the Lovely Eyes did nothing but get in the way. She played damsel in distress A LOT when it could've all been avoided. If there's one thing I've learned, when a face wrestler starts being more useless and clumsy than usual, something bad is gonna happen. (Yeah I know. Ryder was putting himself in harm's way too. but his character's always been a little slow-witted, so its par for the course)
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Post by fw91 on Feb 22, 2012 21:19:52 GMT -5
but it was taken out of context!
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Post by joebob27 on Feb 22, 2012 21:26:25 GMT -5
or someone magically becoming evil with no explanation and giving away her plan on camera to other people who would probably run off and tell the first person they saw afterwards? They planted seeds for an Eve heel turn, though. You'll notice throughout the Cena/Kane feud, She of the Lovely Eyes did nothing but get in the way. She played damsel in distress A LOT when it could've all been avoided. If there's one thing I've learned, when a face wrestler starts being more useless and clumsy than usual, something bad is gonna happen. (Yeah I know. Ryder was putting himself in harm's way too. but his character's always been a little slow-witted, so its par for the course) Well, yeah, I think she was turning eventually just because that kind of storyline calls for SOMEONE to turn (and I still think Ryder will too after WM), but the way they did the turn immediately, first thing on the show, makes the "oh shit, we didn't intend Cena to get this much heat off this, we gotta fix it" theory hold alot of water. Cena got killed on the way out to the ring.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Feb 22, 2012 21:27:02 GMT -5
I forgot about the contest. There's also her Women Empowered deal where she and the Gracies go to colleges and offer free women's self defense courses. Yeah, really bad timing to turn her into just a generic manipulative heel. Being a heel, no matter how hated, has never stopped the WWE from using them on the PR circuit (see how main event heel Miz was on Blue Peter, an institution in kids TV in the UK, multiple times). And before we get totally angry about missed potential or how she's finished, we should wait at least a week to see how she's going to tie in with Ryder and if Kane will be involved. And hell, Miz appeared in the Be A STAR PSAs too, so being an evil character shouldn't exactly stop Eve from being tied in to the anti-bullying stuff.
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Post by kyromax on Feb 22, 2012 21:28:33 GMT -5
Good vids, but why not put them on your Youtube account, WWE?
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Post by PKO on Feb 22, 2012 21:29:55 GMT -5
That was actually a pretty darn good promo.
I hope they run with this new heel Eve. The fans are eating it up, they'd be dumb not to. I'd like to see her paired with a male superstar.
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Post by CH Punk on Feb 22, 2012 21:34:23 GMT -5
Good vids, but why not put them on your Youtube account, WWE? Hits on Youtube.com/WWE < Hits on WWE.com
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Feb 22, 2012 23:05:26 GMT -5
The funny thing is that wasn't actually half bad on Eve's part (barring the schizophrenic beginning anyway). Oh well, shame no one's going to pay it any mind. It's a shame since the way this was all thrown on her and so haphazardly (I mean, they just went right into it as soon as Raw came on and tried to get it over with ASAP) probably flushed some interesting plot possibilities down the toilet. But Team John Vs. Team Dwayne has to roll on!
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Post by CH Punk on Feb 25, 2012 0:17:14 GMT -5
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 25, 2012 0:41:21 GMT -5
LMAO @ "You can't even change a tire."
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Feb 25, 2012 2:53:08 GMT -5
Eve with the superburn! Why did you keep showing up to RAW when you were injured, Zack?
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Post by SAJ Forth on Feb 25, 2012 15:42:55 GMT -5
I just want to know if this pays off, or results in Terry Taylor saving her a seat in the ruined career hall of fame.
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Post by CH Punk on Feb 25, 2012 15:51:24 GMT -5
I just want to know if this pays off, or results in Terry Taylor saving her a seat in the ruined career hall of fame. Going from no reaction to huge reaction isn't what I would call a career killer. Although, if she turns babyface again and she still gets "Hoeski"/other derogatory terms chanted at her then that might be a negative.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Feb 25, 2012 16:04:27 GMT -5
I just want to know if this pays off, or results in Terry Taylor saving her a seat in the ruined career hall of fame. Going from no reaction to huge reaction isn't what I would call a career killer. Although, if she turns babyface again and she still gets "Hoeski"/other derogatory terms chanted at her then that might be a negative. That's the problem, I don't think she can ever turn face again.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 25, 2012 16:06:43 GMT -5
Going from no reaction to huge reaction isn't what I would call a career killer. Although, if she turns babyface again and she still gets "Hoeski"/other derogatory terms chanted at her then that might be a negative. That's the problem, I don't think she can ever turn face again. Trish turned face, and she was a pretty skanky character as a valet, or later on with Christian.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Feb 25, 2012 16:08:21 GMT -5
Going from no reaction to huge reaction isn't what I would call a career killer. Although, if she turns babyface again and she still gets "Hoeski"/other derogatory terms chanted at her then that might be a negative. That's the problem, I don't think she can ever turn face again. Trish Stratus did worse and was probably called worse. Not calling Eve the next Trish Stratus, but getting back in the crowd's good graces usually takes nothing more than a change in booking.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 25, 2012 16:10:38 GMT -5
That's the problem, I don't think she can ever turn face again. Trish Stratus did worse and was probably called worse. Not calling Eve the next Trish Stratus, but getting back in the crowd's good graces usually takes nothing more than a change in booking. Indeed. Timing is everything in wrestling, and the tide can always change.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 25, 2012 16:15:40 GMT -5
I have to say this is one of the more random and out-there heel turns.
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Post by mjolnir on Feb 25, 2012 16:21:47 GMT -5
I think part of the problem with Eve as compared to Trish, besides the talent gap, is who they turned on.
Trish turned on Jericho, who had been a heel that had second thoughts about his mideeds. But Jericho as loved as he is as a face, especially then, always had the rock star quality to him. He's bigger and better than any of us shmucks. So while most loved him for being cool, few could relate to his rock and roll larger than life lifestyle.
Then look at who Eve turned on.
Zack Ryder, the dork of the WWE. The guy who went from curtain jerking, possibly getting canned to being a main attraction on the weekly big shows. He won the U.S. title against the odds, he's clearly got himself a family unit with his pops that feels organic, likely because it is. He somehow got into the good graces of John Cena, THE guy in the WWE, it was like if suddenly one of us became buds with John Cena and got to pal around with him. While I realize not everybody can relate to Zack, alot more can than can't.
Eve literally turned on one of the WWE fanbase's own, as if she personally stabbed each and every one of us in the back, and that's what's going to be the biggest hurtle to get over.
It's also why she's getting such great reactions right now.
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