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Post by CH Punk on Feb 25, 2012 17:23:58 GMT -5
I think part of the problem with Eve as compared to Trish, besides the talent gap, is who they turned on. Trish turned on Jericho, who had been a heel that had second thoughts about his mideeds. But Jericho as loved as he is as a face, especially then, always had the rock star quality to him. He's bigger and better than any of us shmucks. So while most loved him for being cool, few could relate to his rock and roll larger than life lifestyle. Then look at who Eve turned on. Zack Ryder, the dork of the WWE. The guy who went from curtain jerking, possibly getting canned to being a main attraction on the weekly big shows. He won the U.S. title against the odds, he's clearly got himself a family unit with his pops that feels organic, likely because it is. He somehow got into the good graces of John Cena, THE guy in the WWE, it was like if suddenly one of us became buds with John Cena and got to pal around with him. While I realize not everybody can relate to Zack, alot more can than can't. Eve literally turned on one of the WWE fanbase's own, as if she personally stabbed each and every one of us in the back, and that's what's going to be the biggest hurtle to get over. It's also why she's getting such great reactions right now. Thing is after 6 months, 1 year or more as a heel, most people will forget why she originally turned (unless she keeps feuding with Ryder for that long which would be insane) and helping a babyface in need is all that would be needed to turn her back and win over most of the crowd. I have to say this is one of the more random and out-there heel turns. Yes and No in the sense that it was eventually going to happen but it happened so quickly that it sort of came out of nowhere (the worst random heel turn I remember was in Gail Kim's first run with WWE where she was threatened by Molly Holly to join her and just switched into heel mode almost instantly).
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Post by celticjobber on Feb 25, 2012 17:44:54 GMT -5
I have to say this is one of the more random and out-there heel turns. They had no choice but to turn her heel after she kissed Cena and "broke Zack's heart". There's no way she would've been anything but booed out of the building after that. And I think they rushed into her heel turn so dramatically to siphon off any heat that might have come Cena's way from his involvement.
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Post by flatsdomino on Feb 25, 2012 18:00:53 GMT -5
In particular when she's the Diva that does the most promotional work, and is one of the big promoters for Be A S.T.A.R. They really should have had Kane be the cause of it. That would tie it in nicely, and give Zack Ryder a pretty damn good reason for him to go after Kane: the monster's corrupted the girl that he loves, and Ryder becomes determined to save her soul by finally putting an end to the terror that Kane has caused. It would make for a good WrestleMania moment, all things considered. That was where I hoped this was all going (it's still where I hope it's all going)
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Post by SAJ Forth on Feb 25, 2012 18:01:54 GMT -5
That's the problem, I don't think she can ever turn face again. Trish turned face, and she was a pretty skanky character as a valet, or later on with Christian. That's the problem, I don't think she can ever turn face again. Trish Stratus did worse and was probably called worse. Not calling Eve the next Trish Stratus, but getting back in the crowd's good graces usually takes nothing more than a change in booking. But what worries me is I'm not sure she has the charisma.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 25, 2012 18:18:55 GMT -5
Yes and No in the sense that it was eventually going to happen but it happened so quickly that it sort of came out of nowhere (the worst random heel turn I remember was in Gail Kim's first run with WWE where she was threatened by Molly Holly to join her and just switched into heel mode almost instantly). I agree that it's something that would have eventually happened. It's just the turn itself just was like, "What? Where did that come from?"
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Post by mrjl on Feb 25, 2012 18:28:47 GMT -5
Yes and No in the sense that it was eventually going to happen but it happened so quickly that it sort of came out of nowhere (the worst random heel turn I remember was in Gail Kim's first run with WWE where she was threatened by Molly Holly to join her and just switched into heel mode almost instantly). I agree that it's something that would have eventually happened. It's just the turn itself just was like, "What? Where did that come from?" to be honest I think someone like Eve randomly joining up with Kane, whether she was just acting the entire time, or after she's been massively traumatized would have been really weak.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 25, 2012 18:49:08 GMT -5
I actually would've liked to see something like Eve being Kane's sleeper agent the entire time. But that's probably too complex/dark territory for WWE to go into.
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Post by CH Punk on Feb 25, 2012 18:54:58 GMT -5
I actually would've liked to see something like Eve being Kane's sleeper agent the entire time. But that's probably too complex/dark territory for WWE to go into. It's the WWE, if they want to add Kane back into the feud and have Eve join him, they'll find a way (they can always say that Kane corrupted/influenced her after the end of the Raw where he stormed into the Divas locker room and, more or less, threatened her).
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Post by PKO on Feb 25, 2012 19:54:17 GMT -5
Who's to say she even needs to turn face ever again? She's made more of an impression on me as a heel in one week than she has as a babyface in her whole career.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 25, 2012 20:23:29 GMT -5
Trish turned face, and she was a pretty skanky character as a valet, or later on with Christian. Trish Stratus did worse and was probably called worse. Not calling Eve the next Trish Stratus, but getting back in the crowd's good graces usually takes nothing more than a change in booking. But what worries me is I'm not sure she has the charisma.[/quote] Then she's never face again. It's not exactly like she was doing all that great as a face, it's not someone's constitutional right to have a face fun.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Feb 25, 2012 21:12:22 GMT -5
Trish Stratus did worse and was probably called worse. Not calling Eve the next Trish Stratus, but getting back in the crowd's good graces usually takes nothing more than a change in booking. But what worries me is I'm not sure she has the charisma. Then she's never face again. It's not exactly like she was doing all that great as a face, it's not someone's constitutional right to have a face fun.[/quote] That's not what bothers me. I'm bothered by the possibility that the fans will not stop the Cena-inspired hoeski chant to do anything. Though I do hope that chanting isn't the case.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Feb 25, 2012 22:15:32 GMT -5
Who's to say she even needs to turn face ever again? She's made more of an impression on me as a heel in one week than she has as a babyface in her whole career. True. Hell, I think she has more heel heat now than LayCool as a unit had, well, ever. Maybe this'll be a blessing in disguise; unless the WWE completely bumbles it (it is possible, after all), she could be bigger as a heel than she ever was during her time as a face. And considering she's been a face essentially since winning the '08 Diva Search, it wouldn't hurt to see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 22:35:30 GMT -5
Only reason EVE has much as heat as she does right now is because of what she did to ryder who just happens to be insanely over.
Once the ryder feud is over...then we will see the true test of her heel turn IMO and whether she drum up enough interest in herself to maintain what she basically lucked out on.
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Post by CH Punk on Feb 29, 2012 11:10:33 GMT -5
This thread will not DIE! Eve responds to Kelly Kelly's comments: twitvid.com/5YY0UAnd Kelly's rebuttal:
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 29, 2012 11:36:27 GMT -5
Man, who would have thought that a great example of how to use social media in a storyline, would have started with Zack Ryder and Eve Torres trading tweets?
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Post by That Mickie Fan on Feb 29, 2012 11:42:14 GMT -5
Kelly trying to be hard lol. Kelly you are a damn Hypocrite so shut up
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Post by sunnytaker on Feb 29, 2012 12:41:56 GMT -5
wasn't Eve in Maxim already with i think Maryse and McCool a couple years back? or was that a different magazine?
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Post by CH Punk on Feb 29, 2012 13:10:31 GMT -5
wasn't Eve in Maxim already with i think Maryse and McCool a couple years back? or was that a different magazine? You're thinking of Muscle & Fitness.
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