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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 0:35:58 GMT -5
Rock has more than he had tonight. I just don't get why Rock didn't basically cut the same promo he cut on YouTube. It would've been easy to cut that promo because he's cut it already! I just don't get it. Maybe he's holding onto that one for a later time. I hope so, because tonight was not a good look for him in the eyes of a lot of fans. It's just the WWE's way of bringing them "closer". Fact is this: The Rock's the best on the mic. He's just "that guy". You couldn't touch Rock when he held the mic. The closest back then was probably Jericho but even he wasn't Rock. He was literally godsend on the mic. Now here comes Cena. Certainly no slouch on it but he's not like he used to be. Even in Cena's best days he wasn't The Rock. He was good, he was alright but he wasn't Rock. Now Rock is here saying his spill, gets interrupted and Cena comes out on top? Oh wait, Rock has notes on his wrist too? Cena brings it up what? What's going on here? I read that Cena was going to read the script and do his thing then leave earlier today but I didn't expect it would be like this. It's obviously a way to put them closer because honestly let's get it straight: he's an accomplished actor. He doesn't need notes on his arm for what he said tonight. His promos have been shoot tons of times in the WWE. His opening Nation of Domination promo was completely shoot. He has no problems. If anything it's just thrown in there to help Cena out. After being an actor for as long as he has this happens? I don't get it. It doesn't make any sense but hey look at what they're trying to do I mean really. Without this promo would anyone actually believe Cena and the Rock are on "equal" terms? I use that loosely. I don't think they're equal but the WWE sure does. When Cena does that to The Rock of all people, the king of the mic. It makes no sense. But hey it's the WWE. They've gotta build a feud somehow.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 28, 2012 0:36:20 GMT -5
And most (re: all) of Nexus's poor booking was due to the rise of Miz as Raw's top new heel. They wanted all of the heat to go to him, so they pulled the plug on Nexus and allowed Cena to finish them off.
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Post by "American Dragon" on Feb 28, 2012 0:38:23 GMT -5
According to other reports it is being stated that an unfavorable comment made by Johnson about Cena, after their segment from tonights Raw, reached Cena who immediately confronted his fellow former World Champion.
The two engaged in a physical altercation that saw Cena surprisingly gain control with a front facelock before mounting the larger Johnson.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 28, 2012 0:39:11 GMT -5
This is whole Rock/Cena dichotomy is a completely fascinating social experiment to me. Hell, most of the people in this thread are hooked and are BELIEVING that somehow, someway, this is all REAL, and that Cena really "schooled" Rock tonight, who after so many years of acting and doing promos, needed cheat notes.
What you saw is the INTENDED DIRECTION. They WANT Cena as a face in this feud (as futile as it is). The level of passion (in DECLARING CRUSHING VICTORY!!!) in some people's posts here amuses me. The WWE’s direction is WORKING. People are dividing as they desired. And they're accomplishing that by letting Cena come off as "real" and "passionate", while Rock is subtly programmed to seemingly be what Cena accuses him of being.
You don't think if they truly wanted Rock to "own" Cena on the same level as he owned him, they wouldn't have the ammunition to do so? I could think of a ton of things off the top of my head -- that would, unfortunately, derail Cena completely, and allow Rock, who's already riding the Nostalgia tank, to finish him off completely. Kayfabe things like him kissing his best friend's girl back, and then blaming the whole thing on her as if completely innocent. Things like challenging Rey Mysterio for the WWE Title last summer, fresh, only minutes after he won the WWE Title -- then getting angry at Del Rio for using MITB. Things like selling out everything that made him popular in the first place, to become a corporate cartoon P.R. puppet. Things like leaving to do movies himself (that they manufactured, because no real studio wants him) so terrible, that WWE has had to shave money off the talent's earnings so to counter the losses. (That one's not Cena's fault; but hey, he’s still part of the machine). Things like, even though Cena's "ALWAYS THERE", not once has he ever gave a Title shot to a midcard act (kayfabe). And things like just that – HE’S ALWAYS THERE. He hogs the spotlight. He clings to it. Now, I don’t truly think that – but it is easy ammunition.
There is truly unlimited material to work with if you wanted Rock to slaughter Cena. But it'd make Cena look like shit. The crux of this angle is: Misunderstood good guy (Cena) vs. possibly misunderstood Hollywood Megastar (Rock). The end is supposed to be the two of them coming together and saying after the smoke clears: "You know what? I was wrong about you. You are the real deal." THAT'S THE STORY.
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Post by "I'm Batman..." on Feb 28, 2012 0:39:18 GMT -5
".....Chinese food places are always there."
What?
Cena is a mark.
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Post by Cronant on Feb 28, 2012 0:40:04 GMT -5
Rock has more than he had tonight. I just don't get why Rock didn't basically cut the same promo he cut on YouTube. It would've been easy to cut that promo because he's cut it already! I just don't get it. Maybe he's holding onto that one for a later time. I hope so, because tonight was not a good look for him in the eyes of a lot of fans. It's just the WWE's way of bringing them "closer". Fact is this: The Rock's the best on the mic. He's just "that guy". You couldn't touch Rock when he held the mic. The closest back then was probably Jericho but even he wasn't Rock. He was literally godsend on the mic. Now here comes Cena. Certainly no slouch on it but he's not like he used to be. Even in Cena's best days he wasn't The Rock. He was good, he was alright but he wasn't Rock. Now Rock is here saying his spill, gets interrupted and Cena comes out on top? Oh wait, Rock has notes on his wrist too? Cena brings it up what? What's going on here? I read that Cena was going to read the script and do his thing then leave earlier today but I didn't expect it would be like this. It's obviously a way to put them closer because honestly let's get it straight: he's an accomplished actor. His promos have been shoot tons of times in the WWE. His opening Nation of Domination promo was completely shoot. He has no problems. If anything it's just thrown in there to help Cena out. It doesn't make any sense but hey look at what they're trying to do I mean really. Without this promo would anyone actually believe Cena and the Rock are on "equal" terms? I use that loosely. I don't think they're equal but the WWE sure does. When Cena does that to The Rock of all people, the king of the mic. It makes no sense. But hey it's the WWE. They've gotta build a feud somehow. Its like when people thought Cena wouldn't be able to touch Punk on the mic during their feud this summer. Or Cena wouldn't be able to touch Rock after his comeback promo. This entire logic falls flat. If we go by this, then everytime the Rock "killed" someone on the mic it was because he was booked to. Same with Austin, he was always a face who had to win verbal battles. Same with Punk now. If you pull the "They made him look bad angle", then that goes for everyone who had to look bad for any of the other greats on the mic.
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 28, 2012 0:40:45 GMT -5
According to other reports it is being stated that an unfavorable comment made by Johnson about Cena, after their segment from tonights Raw, reached Cena who immediately confronted his fellow former World Champion. The two engaged in a physical altercation that saw Cena surprisingly gain control with a front facelock before mounting the larger Johnson. I'm laughing like a teenager at that last line.
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Post by flatsdomino on Feb 28, 2012 0:42:45 GMT -5
This is whole Rock/Cena dichotomy is a completely fascinating social experiment to me. Hell, most of the people in this thread are hooked and are BELIEVING that somehow, someway, this is all REAL, and that Cena really "schooled" Rock tonight, who after so many years of acting and doing promos, needed cheat notes. What you saw is the INTENDED DIRECTION. They WANT Cena as a face in this feud (as futile as it is). The level of passion (in DECLARING CRUSHING VICTORY!!!) in some people's posts here amuses me. The WWE’s direction is WORKING. People are dividing as they desired. And they're accomplishing that by letting Cena come off as "real" and "passionate", while Rock is subtly programmed to seemingly be what Cena accuses him of being. You don't think if they truly wanted Rock to "own" Cena on the same level as he owned him, they wouldn't have the ammunition to do so? I could think of a ton of things off the top of my head -- that would, unfortunately, derail Cena completely, and allow Rock, who's already riding the Nostalgia tank, to finish him off completely. Kayfabe things like him kissing his best friend's girl back, and then blaming the whole thing on her as if completely innocent. Things like challenging Rey Mysterio for the WWE Title last summer, fresh, only minutes after he won the WWE Title -- then getting angry at Del Rio for using MITB. Things like selling out everything that made him popular in the first place, to become a corporate cartoon P.R. puppet. Things like leaving to do movies himself (that they manufactured, because no real studio wants him) so terrible, that WWE has had to shave money off the talent's earnings so to counter the losses. (That one's not Cena's fault; but hey, he’s still part of the machine). Things like, even though Cena's "ALWAYS THERE", not once has he ever gave a Title shot to a midcard act (kayfabe). And things like just that – HE’S ALWAYS THERE. He hogs the spotlight. He clings to it. Now, I don’t truly think that – but it is easy ammunition. There is truly unlimited material to work with if you wanted Rock to slaughter Cena. But it'd make Cena look like s***. The crux of this angle is: Misunderstood good guy (Cena) vs. possibly misunderstood Hollywood Megastar (Rock). The end is supposed to be the two of them coming together and saying after the smoke clears: "You know what? I was wrong about you. You are the real deal." THAT'S THE STORY. The "reality era" really is something, isn't it?
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Feb 28, 2012 0:42:48 GMT -5
I preferred the Rock. I hold no grudges at all because the man left one of the most physically demanding occupations in all of sports or entertainment and went into a far more lucrative field.
Cena has been awesome the past two weeks though, but theres really no way I'll shift my loyalty.
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Post by "American Dragon" on Feb 28, 2012 0:44:03 GMT -5
According to eye witness reports, Cena challenged Johnson to 'go' into an empty room and go for it, while other superstars were in attendance allowing this to happen for at least five minutes.
The two would do battle, with Cena managing to gain the advantage by grounding and pounding the larger Johnson. Before being seperated, Johnson snuck in one last shot on Cena just as he did immediately after Cena closed the door to signal the start of this graphic encounter.
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 28, 2012 0:46:31 GMT -5
This entire logic falls flat. If we go by this, then everytime the Rock "killed" someone on the mic it was because he was booked to. Same with Austin, he was always a face who had to win verbal battles. Same with Punk now. If you pull the "They made him look bad angle", then that goes for everyone who had to look bad for any of the other greats on the mic. I really like this talking point. Counter-argument anyone? Yes! I have a great counter-point, but it would take a long time to post and I'm tired and don't want to type anymore. Also, I have to think of it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 0:46:52 GMT -5
This is whole Rock/Cena dichotomy is a completely fascinating social experiment to me. Hell, most of the people in this thread are hooked and are BELIEVING that somehow, someway, this is all REAL, and that Cena really "schooled" Rock tonight, who after so many years of acting and doing promos, needed cheat notes. What you saw is the INTENDED DIRECTION. They WANT Cena as a face in this feud (as futile as it is). The level of passion (in DECLARING CRUSHING VICTORY!!!) in some people's posts here amuses me. The WWE’s direction is WORKING. People are dividing as they desired. And they're accomplishing that by letting Cena come off as "real" and "passionate", while Rock is subtly programmed to seemingly be what Cena accuses him of being. You don't think if they truly wanted Rock to "own" Cena on the same level as he owned him, they wouldn't have the ammunition to do so? I could think of a ton of things off the top of my head -- that would, unfortunately, derail Cena completely, and allow Rock, who's already riding the Nostalgia tank, to finish him off completely. Kayfabe things like him kissing his best friend's girl back, and then blaming the whole thing on her as if completely innocent. Things like challenging Rey Mysterio for the WWE Title last summer, fresh, only minutes after he won the WWE Title -- then getting angry at Del Rio for using MITB. Things like selling out everything that made him popular in the first place, to become a corporate cartoon P.R. puppet. Things like leaving to do movies himself (that they manufactured, because no real studio wants him) so terrible, that WWE has had to shave money off the talent's earnings so to counter the losses. (That one's not Cena's fault; but hey, he’s still part of the machine). Things like, even though Cena's "ALWAYS THERE", not once has he ever gave a Title shot to a midcard act (kayfabe). And things like just that – HE’S ALWAYS THERE. He hogs the spotlight. He clings to it. Now, I don’t truly think that – but it is easy ammunition. There is truly unlimited material to work with if you wanted Rock to slaughter Cena. But it'd make Cena look like s***. The crux of this angle is: Misunderstood good guy (Cena) vs. possibly misunderstood Hollywood Megastar (Rock). The end is supposed to be the two of them coming together and saying after the smoke clears: "You know what? I was wrong about you. You are the real deal." THAT'S THE STORY. I think there's been about 10 posts dealing with it in the thread, but people actually like to lose themselves in things sometimes, we don't honestly believe that the guys in ring are fighting in no holds barred matches either, but it's fun to suspend your disbelief when you watch aforementioned story. It's the basic principle of theatre, and Peter Brook is cackling as I type this.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 28, 2012 0:49:35 GMT -5
Of course WWE wants Cena to be a face in this feud. They want him to be face #2. Tonight wasn't exactly a Rock burial.
Considering that they were willing to release "Cena Sucks" shirts, I doubt they're getting bent out of shape over trying to protect him the way they were 3 or 4 years ago. They know damn well Miami is going to be Rock Country, and I'm certain they're fine with it. The goal is to make the feud 50/50, but nothing beyond that.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 28, 2012 0:52:01 GMT -5
There's the rub, it's not just one match at one PPV, it's a Wrestlemania main event that they're dubbing the biggest match of all time. Him giving up a match at TLC for Ryder was just one PPV match, Wrestlemania is supposed to be the event that everyone looks forward too, and main eventing Wrestlemania is supposed to be the highlight of a person's career. He's pissed that the Rock isn't there, that he's going away and that he doesn't care, but rather than fighting for the boys in the back to have that Mania match instead, to not give the Rock the pleasure of waltzing in and taking the Mania spot, he opts to take the "biggest Wrestlemania match of all time" for himself, knowing full well, in his argument, that it's going to knock off guys who were there working hard all year off the roster. So his concern extends only to showing Rock up, not actually giving up his Wrestlemania spot to help them. Sure, he was willing to give up a lesser PPV spot for Ryder, but when it's the biggest payday and biggest, potentially career-making match, he still keeps it for himself. Outside of kayfabe, his work with Nexus really made them all look awful, and only two of them who were actually involved with the feud have done anything of note since then. They could beat him when it was 6 on 1, but he abused the hell out of them on the mic and beat them when it actually mattered. Same with Awesome Truth, he reached out to the Rock for help because no one in the back was good enough, paraphrasing of course, and then beats them both on his own right before the PPV. Yeah, he had that hot feud with Punk and had a stellar match with him at MitB, but a lot of times, working with Cena makes the other guy look like a chump. "outside of kayfabe" is not applicable here. Thats what this feud is. And even then, that does not change the fact that he DID put them over on an unbelievable level, and they only failed AFTER they were done with him. They put him in situations no one else had done before. Poor booking post angle isn't his fault. Yeah... no, I don't believe this feud is outside of kayfabe. Everyone is playing their parts well, but it's not even been a year since they've played this card. They're delivering it well, but I don't believe for a second that these are all shoots. I'm sorry, he put Nexus over on an unbelievable level? When? The only thing they did to him beat him down when they ganged up on him or cheat to beat him down and let Barrett get the one clean win they had over him. Beyond that, the Nexus feud with John Cena consists of him beating them at every end, and only through the interference of two unofficial members did they ever do anything that actually worked against him. Nothing John Cena was involved in with that feud made them look legit. Nexus was dead after Cena's feud. They just kept it on life support until Punk took over and then forgot the group so he could get his own push. And no, you can't blame it all on him, but in no way did that feud make them look good. Nexus looked bad in every possible way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 0:56:07 GMT -5
Part of me wishes that Titus O'Neil came out as well and cut a scathing promo on The Rock just to see how everyone would react. Some member of the crowd came out and insulted the Rock and was ejected from the premises by security.Not even the security would know who he was
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 28, 2012 0:57:30 GMT -5
This entire logic falls flat. If we go by this, then everytime the Rock "killed" someone on the mic it was because he was booked to. Same with Austin, he was always a face who had to win verbal battles. Same with Punk now. If you pull the "They made him look bad angle", then that goes for everyone who had to look bad for any of the other greats on the mic. I really like this talking point. Counter-argument anyone? This is the most heavily scripted era of wrestling. Guys in the back write the lines, and plan out the matches to the punch. We've seen scripts in the past, and people have come out and said this. In the past, when someone got humiliated on the mic by Rock, it was all part of the show. It wasn't some real blood-feud going on, it was guys trading insults in a very carefully monitored way to put on a show for the fans and to get them into it. I find it silly to think that Cena went out there out of nowhere and shot on the Rock. WWE is far too organized for that. Even if they don't have it scripted out exactly, they know exactly how they want the feud to progress, and they make sure the guys know what they want.
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Post by "American Dragon" on Feb 28, 2012 0:59:14 GMT -5
Part of me wishes that Titus O'Neil came out as well and cut a scathing promo on The Rock just to see how everyone would react. It would end with The Rock coming out, Rock Bottom, Trend Boot's To Oneils Ass. /end
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 1:01:12 GMT -5
Part of me wishes that Titus O'Neil came out as well and cut a scathing promo on The Rock just to see how everyone would react. If you're gonna shoot...................make it a shoot. AURUGHARUGHARUGUARUARUARGH!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 1:03:18 GMT -5
It's just the WWE's way of bringing them "closer". Fact is this: The Rock's the best on the mic. He's just "that guy". You couldn't touch Rock when he held the mic. The closest back then was probably Jericho but even he wasn't Rock. He was literally godsend on the mic. Now here comes Cena. Certainly no slouch on it but he's not like he used to be. Even in Cena's best days he wasn't The Rock. He was good, he was alright but he wasn't Rock. Now Rock is here saying his spill, gets interrupted and Cena comes out on top? Oh wait, Rock has notes on his wrist too? Cena brings it up what? What's going on here? I read that Cena was going to read the script and do his thing then leave earlier today but I didn't expect it would be like this. It's obviously a way to put them closer because honestly let's get it straight: he's an accomplished actor. His promos have been shoot tons of times in the WWE. His opening Nation of Domination promo was completely shoot. He has no problems. If anything it's just thrown in there to help Cena out. It doesn't make any sense but hey look at what they're trying to do I mean really. Without this promo would anyone actually believe Cena and the Rock are on "equal" terms? I use that loosely. I don't think they're equal but the WWE sure does. When Cena does that to The Rock of all people, the king of the mic. It makes no sense. But hey it's the WWE. They've gotta build a feud somehow. Its like when people thought Cena wouldn't be able to touch Punk on the mic during their feud this summer. Or Cena wouldn't be able to touch Rock after his comeback promo. This entire logic falls flat. If we go by this, then everytime the Rock "killed" someone on the mic it was because he was booked to. Same with Austin, he was always a face who had to win verbal battles. Same with Punk now. If you pull the "They made him look bad angle", then that goes for everyone who had to look bad for any of the other greats on the mic. I'm not even going to get onto everything else you said because someone else can but I'll say this. I don't think Cena touched Punk on the mic last Summer at all. Punk was too hot. And here well it's common sense really. It's not like everything is "real". I hope you don't think that.
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Post by "American Dragon" on Feb 28, 2012 1:05:51 GMT -5
Its like when people thought Cena wouldn't be able to touch Punk on the mic during their feud this summer. Or Cena wouldn't be able to touch Rock after his comeback promo. This entire logic falls flat. If we go by this, then everytime the Rock "killed" someone on the mic it was because he was booked to. Same with Austin, he was always a face who had to win verbal battles. Same with Punk now. If you pull the "They made him look bad angle", then that goes for everyone who had to look bad for any of the other greats on the mic. I'm not even going to get onto everything else you said because someone else can but I'll say this. I don't think Cena touched Punk on the mic last Summer at all. Punk was too hot. And here well it's common sense really. It's not like everything is "real". I hope you don't think that. Wrestling is real, people are FAKE! What is with you guys setting out on this adventure to prove that wrestling is fake? I keep seeing some of you trying to prove and force your views on others and this whole SMarxism worldview needs to DIE!
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