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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 0:18:21 GMT -5
Rock answered the entire argument of Cena in "you're not here every week, wah" and "I stand up for the other grown men back there!" easily, then proved he was simply 100 times more popular than John Cena by sheer crowd reaction.
Rock wins, I smiled, Cena put on his generic arse "this is my real accent now, daw" schtick and wandered away without actually saying anything other than "you insulted me. I'm not gonna answer you about why the fans love you more than me because I'm a corporate shill character."
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 28, 2012 0:19:34 GMT -5
Is it possible for Cena to be edgy without sounding like his rapping gimmick?
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Post by Greer on Feb 28, 2012 0:20:08 GMT -5
I just don't see them changing too many people's minds if their intentions are to build Cena better and get the fans behind him.
He will continued to get booed and Rocky will continue to get cheered no matter what.
If you think a few good Cena promos and Rocky stumbling are gonna get fans to turn on Rocky IN Miami...I find it hard to believe.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Feb 28, 2012 0:20:43 GMT -5
Rock seems unwilling to cut loose like Cena does for whatever reason. We know he can do it because he did it in in his YT promo but for whatever reason he seems more interested in getting things trending on twitter. As the guy a bit above me rightly pointed out, Rock seems to be in a kayfabe feud and Cena is letting it all out no holds barred Just wait. Remember how Rock would sometimes lose but win in the end? This is looking like one of those moments.
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 28, 2012 0:21:48 GMT -5
I just don't see them changing too many people's minds if their intentions are to build Cena better and get the fans behind him. He will continued to get booed and Rocky will continue to get cheered no matter what. If you think a few good Cena promos and Rocky stumbling are gonna get fans to turn on Rocky IN Miami...I find it hard to believe. That didn't stop them from going through with all the other feuds in which Cena was booed. It seems to me that at Wrestlemania they're gonna party like it's 2005.
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 28, 2012 0:22:58 GMT -5
Rock has more than he had tonight. I just don't get why Rock didn't basically cut the same promo he cut on YouTube. It would've been easy to cut that promo because he's cut it already! I just don't get it. Maybe he's holding onto that one for a later time. I hope so, because tonight was not a good look for him in the eyes of a lot of fans.
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Post by Ryanar on Feb 28, 2012 0:23:17 GMT -5
Check this newz out - John Cena in backstage fight with Dwayne Johnson over comments John made about Promo notes on wrist! John and Dwayne got into a real fight backstage, where Dwayne confronted John about comments John made about his promo notes on his wrist. From what's being said, Johnson took down Cena and there was some punches thrown and then WWE officials had to break it up. Right after the fight, John went in Vince's office and demanded a contract release and Vince said no. They were both sent packing. I don't know about you guyz but this sounds like it is getting crazzy! Sauce or it didn't happen
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Post by Dat Dude on Feb 28, 2012 0:23:34 GMT -5
Check this newz out - John Cena in backstage fight with Dwayne Johnson over comments John made about Promo notes on wrist! John and Dwayne got into a real fight backstage, where Dwayne confronted John about comments John made about his promo notes on his wrist. From what's being said, Johnson took down Cena and there was some punches thrown and then WWE officials had to break it up. Right after the fight, John went in Vince's office and demanded a contract release and Vince said no. They were both sent packing. I don't know about you guyz but this sounds like it is getting crazzy! lol. Bravo. I looove the old Hart/HBK story with cut and paste ;D
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 28, 2012 0:23:58 GMT -5
Is it normal to fantasize history in your head to escape the reality of what actually happened? Because as far as I'm concerned, The Rock was called upon by WWE to lead a handpicked team to take on Cena's handpicked team at Survivor Series, and it involved a slew of good moments involving Rock interacting with the current guys to figure out who would make the best and most balanced team. And the match itself was legendary SS stuff, did a good buyrate, and it involved a brief but memorable exchange between Rock and Cena in the ring to get people further excited for what would come at WM28.
That's what happened. I hear some weird talk of Miz and Truth being a tag team and Rock coming back because people on Twitter told him to, and Cena asked him to team with him, but that's just a bunch of a cockadookie bull**** as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 28, 2012 0:24:11 GMT -5
Check this newz out - John Cena in backstage fight with Dwayne Johnson over comments John made about Promo notes on wrist! John and Dwayne got into a real fight backstage, where Dwayne confronted John about comments John made about his promo notes on his wrist. From what's being said, Johnson took down Cena and there was some punches thrown and then WWE officials had to break it up. Right after the fight, John went in Vince's office and demanded a contract release and Vince said no. They were both sent packing. I don't know about you guyz but this sounds like it is getting crazzy! Sauce or it didn't happen Do you even need a source to tell you that this didn't happen?
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 28, 2012 0:25:14 GMT -5
Check this newz out - John Cena in backstage fight with Dwayne Johnson over comments John made about Promo notes on wrist! John and Dwayne got into a real fight backstage, where Dwayne confronted John about comments John made about his promo notes on his wrist. From what's being said, Johnson took down Cena and there was some punches thrown and then WWE officials had to break it up. Right after the fight, John went in Vince's office and demanded a contract release and Vince said no. They were both sent packing. I don't know about you guyz but this sounds like it is getting crazzy! Sauce or it didn't happen I think the poster IS the source.
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Post by Cam on Feb 28, 2012 0:25:38 GMT -5
Check this newz out - John Cena in backstage fight with Dwayne Johnson over comments John made about Promo notes on wrist! John and Dwayne got into a real fight backstage, where Dwayne confronted John about comments John made about his promo notes on his wrist. From what's being said, Johnson took down Cena and there was some punches thrown and then WWE officials had to break it up. Right after the fight, John went in Vince's office and demanded a contract release and Vince said no. They were both sent packing. I don't know about you guyz but this sounds like it is getting crazzy! Let me guess, did Rock pull out a strand of Cena's hair as well?
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Post by Cam on Feb 28, 2012 0:27:05 GMT -5
What if it was McMahon or someone that told him to do that? I refuse to believe Vince McMahon, or anybody else, is stupid enough to expose pro wrestling's top star, at the moment. That is, of course, if the Rock had no knowledge that the comment was coming. Have you listened to Michael Cole's commentary?
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Post by Ryanar on Feb 28, 2012 0:27:06 GMT -5
Sauce or it didn't happen Do you even need a source to tell you that this didn't happen? Thats the whole point of it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 0:29:22 GMT -5
Is it normal to fantasize history in your head to escape the reality of what actually happened? Because as far as I'm concerned, The Rock was called upon by WWE to lead a handpicked team to take on Cena's handpicked team at Survivor Series, and it involved a slew of good moments involving Rock interacting with the current guys to figure out who would make the best and most balanced team. And the match itself was legendary SS stuff, did a good buyrate, and it involved a brief but memorable exchange between Rock and Cena in the ring to get people further excited for what would come at WM28. That's what happened. I hear some weird talk of Miz and Truth being a tag team and Rock coming back because people on Twitter told him to, and Cena asked him to team with him, but that's just a bunch of a cockadookie bull**** as far as I'm concerned. If you watch wrestling to not get involved in the angles and continue to watch then it's a waste of time, unless you watch wrestling just for the in ring matches in which case I can understand it. Kayfabe is fun for the two hours you spend watching TV instead of focusing on real life.
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Post by Cronant on Feb 28, 2012 0:29:47 GMT -5
What if it was McMahon or someone that told him to do that? I refuse to believe Vince McMahon, or anybody else, is stupid enough to expose pro wrestling's top star, at the moment. That is exactly what they have done to Cena a few times, including the Rock's comeback promo.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 28, 2012 0:31:18 GMT -5
You're right, he did feud with Nexus, and that ended with them all systematically being humiliated on the mic and beaten in the ring to the point where most of those who are left are wrestling on the C-Shows trying to recover. And my only point is that it takes two to feud. Unless you're Al Snow, it takes two to have a match. For all the complaining you do about Rock being in the match, Cena's in it too. From a storyline perspective, if he was so interested in fighting for the company and the guys in back, couldn't he just back away from the match and let someone else have the spotlight, or wrestle someone else? But he doesn't. And I don't really care what Punk and Orton have to say about the match or about their roles as "locker-room leaders" (which I'd never heard until you just said it now). Punk's in the WWE title match and said in the past that Rock shouldn't come back unless it was for the main event, so it's either storyline pushing or hypocrisy on his end. Cena wanted the match though. That doesn't detract from his point at all. Its still only one PPV. Even kayfabe wise he would have been dumb not to take it. Kayfabe, he wants to beat the hell out of the guy in a match. And I don't think my points were refuted at all. He does work with the other guys, and has tried to help. There's the rub, it's not just one match at one PPV, it's a Wrestlemania main event that they're dubbing the biggest match of all time. Him giving up a match at TLC for Ryder was just one PPV match, Wrestlemania is supposed to be the event that everyone looks forward too, and main eventing Wrestlemania is supposed to be the highlight of a person's career. He's pissed that the Rock isn't there, that he's going away and that he doesn't care, but rather than fighting for the boys in the back to have that Mania match instead, to not give the Rock the pleasure of waltzing in and taking the Mania spot, he opts to take the "biggest Wrestlemania match of all time" for himself, knowing full well, in his argument, that it's going to knock off guys who were there working hard all year off the roster. So his concern extends only to showing Rock up, not actually giving up his Wrestlemania spot to help them. Sure, he was willing to give up a lesser PPV spot for Ryder, but when it's the biggest payday and biggest, potentially career-making match, he still keeps it for himself. Outside of kayfabe, his work with Nexus really made them all look awful, and only two of them who were actually involved with the feud have done anything of note since then. They could beat him when it was 6 on 1, but he abused the hell out of them on the mic and beat them when it actually mattered. Same with Awesome Truth, he reached out to the Rock for help because no one in the back was good enough, paraphrasing of course, and then beats them both on his own right before the PPV. Yeah, he had that hot feud with Punk and had a stellar match with him at MitB, but a lot of times, working with Cena makes the other guy look like a chump. I'm not saying that's all his fault and that he's sitting in the back telling creative to put him over everyone, but most of the time feuding with Cena doesn't end with the other guy looking legit. Punk was the anomaly in that.
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Feb 28, 2012 0:31:39 GMT -5
10 pages in an hour! This match is going to be a real barnburner.
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Post by Greer on Feb 28, 2012 0:33:13 GMT -5
Rock has more than he had tonight. I just don't get why Rock didn't basically cut the same promo he cut on YouTube. It would've been easy to cut that promo because he's cut it already! I just don't get it. Maybe he's holding onto that one for a later time. I hope so, because tonight was not a good look for him in the eyes of a lot of fans. Well if he wants to cut that YT promo live he's gonna need notes on both arms.
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Post by Cronant on Feb 28, 2012 0:33:54 GMT -5
Cena wanted the match though. That doesn't detract from his point at all. Its still only one PPV. Even kayfabe wise he would have been dumb not to take it. Kayfabe, he wants to beat the hell out of the guy in a match. And I don't think my points were refuted at all. He does work with the other guys, and has tried to help. There's the rub, it's not just one match at one PPV, it's a Wrestlemania main event that they're dubbing the biggest match of all time. Him giving up a match at TLC for Ryder was just one PPV match, Wrestlemania is supposed to be the event that everyone looks forward too, and main eventing Wrestlemania is supposed to be the highlight of a person's career. He's pissed that the Rock isn't there, that he's going away and that he doesn't care, but rather than fighting for the boys in the back to have that Mania match instead, to not give the Rock the pleasure of waltzing in and taking the Mania spot, he opts to take the "biggest Wrestlemania match of all time" for himself, knowing full well, in his argument, that it's going to knock off guys who were there working hard all year off the roster. So his concern extends only to showing Rock up, not actually giving up his Wrestlemania spot to help them. Sure, he was willing to give up a lesser PPV spot for Ryder, but when it's the biggest payday and biggest, potentially career-making match, he still keeps it for himself. Outside of kayfabe, his work with Nexus really made them all look awful, and only two of them who were actually involved with the feud have done anything of note since then. They could beat him when it was 6 on 1, but he abused the hell out of them on the mic and beat them when it actually mattered. Same with Awesome Truth, he reached out to the Rock for help because no one in the back was good enough, paraphrasing of course, and then beats them both on his own right before the PPV. Yeah, he had that hot feud with Punk and had a stellar match with him at MitB, but a lot of times, working with Cena makes the other guy look like a chump. "outside of kayfabe" is not applicable here. Thats what this feud is. And even then, that does not change the fact that he DID put them over on an unbelievable level, and they only failed AFTER they were done with him. They put him in situations no one else had done before. Poor booking post angle isn't his fault.
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