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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Feb 28, 2012 0:06:13 GMT -5
It's his character. He's supposed to be the big hero that the kids get behind, and the fact that he lives up to the character outside of WWE television is a very admirable thing. Im sorry but most of the kids i see are foul mouthed whiners with high pitched voices that think faggot and gay are insults. At least the 8-14 year olds. So whatever Cena is doing aint working. Well, they're probably not the majority. I spy a lot of kids wearing Cena's merchandise and making their signs to support him during episodes of Raw, so, yes, I think it's working. That may just be me, though.
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Post by EzioAuditoreDaFirenze on Feb 28, 2012 0:06:59 GMT -5
Ok, I just realized people is taking this seriously, I mean, real serious, remember people, it's a wrestling angle, you can pick favorites but remember this is WWE, The Rock and Cena are not angry at each other, their promos weren't shoots, they knew what was going on there, it's ALL staged, every word and reaction, again you can pick favorites to win, but taking it like it's a real issue is just going to make more and more people angry, so, relax, take it easy. I dont know about you man but i think there is a lil Anger between the two. Maybe im just being worked but what Cena did with that note comment made Rock look real pissed. And in a real way. I dont even think he was expecting that.
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Post by flatsdomino on Feb 28, 2012 0:07:51 GMT -5
The Rock Apologists are in full force! Isn't it possible that Rock just doesn't have his promo magic like he used to? He can capture the crowd, no doubt, but in an intelligent battle of words, he doesn't have all that much to say. He's pandering to the older Attitude Era crowd, by calling Cena a "bitch" all the time (we see this in TNA a lot too). Its like he's regressed to the point where its only a good promo if the fans chant a bunch of stupid phrases that they normally wouldn't. Rock wouldn't come back and suck on purpose to make John Cena look good. He's doing what he thinks is right, by showing off how much the fans love him compared to Cena. In the end though, fans want a little more today than catchphrases, we want substance too. Both guys have had the same point for over a year, but Cena keeps coming out and killing it while pretty much stands in the ring and asks people to chant things. Isn't it also possible that the Rock respects the business and wants John Cena to look good, while maybe getting some things trending on Twitter to draw attention to WWE? Hmmmm........
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Post by "American Dragon" on Feb 28, 2012 0:09:19 GMT -5
Ok, I just realized people is taking this seriously, I mean, real serious, remember people, it's a wrestling angle, you can pick favorites but remember this is WWE, The Rock and Cena are not angry at each other, their promos weren't shoots, they knew what was going on there, it's ALL staged, every word and reaction, again you can pick favorites to win, but taking it like it's a real issue is just going to make more and more people angry, so, relax, take it easy. Jesus, you are worse than the WWE people who created those Kayfabe tshirts. This ain't the time nor the place.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Feb 28, 2012 0:09:24 GMT -5
Ok, I just realized people is taking this seriously, I mean, real serious, remember people, it's a wrestling angle, you can pick favorites but remember this is WWE, The Rock and Cena are not angry at each other, their promos weren't shoots, they knew what was going on there, it's ALL staged, every word and reaction, again you can pick favorites to win, but taking it like it's a real issue is just going to make more and more people angry, so, relax, take it easy. I dont know about you man but i think there is a lil Anger between the two. Maybe im just being worked but what Cena did with that note comment made Rock look real pissed. And in a real way. I dont even think he was expecting that. Rock is an accomplished actor, so I'd think he can easily emote seemingly legitimate emotions of anger without making it look like "fake" anger.
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Post by khali on Feb 28, 2012 0:09:37 GMT -5
Before the stumbling at the end (which I imagine could have been by design), I don't think the Rock's promo was that bad. He addressed the not being there every week, and the section about fighting for guys in the back was pretty solid. Yes, Cena still was stronger, but Rock wasn't that bad.
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 28, 2012 0:09:48 GMT -5
Ok, I just realized people is taking this seriously, I mean, real serious, remember people, it's a wrestling angle, you can pick favorites but remember this is WWE, The Rock and Cena are not angry at each other, their promos weren't shoots, they knew what was going on there, it's ALL staged, every word and reaction, again you can pick favorites to win, but taking it like it's a real issue is just going to make more and more people angry, so, relax, take it easy. I dont know about you man but i think there is a lil Anger between the two. Maybe im just being worked but what Cena did with that note comment made Rock look real pissed. And in a real way. I dont even think he was expecting that. That's why I'm thinking it has to be a work. If Cena went out there and threw out a legit shoot comment about the notes, that makes him unprofessional as all get-out. It would actually make me lose a little respect for him.
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Post by Sc on Feb 28, 2012 0:11:24 GMT -5
I dont know about you man but i think there is a lil Anger between the two. Maybe im just being worked but what Cena did with that note comment made Rock look real pissed. And in a real way. I dont even think he was expecting that. That's why I'm thinking it has to be a work. If Cena went out there and threw out a legit shoot comment about the notes, that makes him unprofessional as all get-out. It would actually make me lose a little respect for him. What if it was McMahon or someone that told him to do that?
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Post by habanos on Feb 28, 2012 0:11:58 GMT -5
Rock was off his game, he seemed like he was trying to hold back or something. He was taking too many pauses. The material was bad and the insults were worse. Cena got the better hand that is undeniable and undebatable imo.
Now that I've got that out of the way. I believe what we saw about Cena mentioning Rock's notes was something we would have never seen between two wrestlers ten years ago. No matter how much they hated each other. It was disrespectful and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't have a bad taste in my mouth because of Rock and Cena's feud, I'm not even into it to be honest. It's about a superstar and a veteran. Rock has his fair share of haters on here and I honestly think if someone did something like that to Undertaker, Shawn Michaels or even a vet like William Regal they would have got more shit for it. The argument can be made that it was scripted but I honestly feel just by the Rock's reaction and how flustered he was afterwards that it couldn't have been. They're getting to the point where they're blurring the lines a little too much for my taste and as a fan who also loved old fashioned wrestling it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Punk did a fantastic job last summer and really revitalized the business and now WWE is going to try and blur the lines in every feud because they think it's the in thing. It's annoying.
With that said, there's definitely a positive thing in all of this as well. Cena seems to be at the top of his game, that's always great to see. If he did legitimately offend The Rock like I think he did than hopefully he lights a fire under him for him to really let it rip on Cena like the good old days. Tonight will be controversial and has definitely spiced things up. This will be an interesting RTWM.
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Post by Tarik Dee on Feb 28, 2012 0:12:32 GMT -5
Ok, I just realized people is taking this seriously, I mean, real serious, remember people, it's a wrestling angle, you can pick favorites but remember this is WWE, The Rock and Cena are not angry at each other, their promos weren't shoots, they knew what was going on there, it's ALL staged, every word and reaction, again you can pick favorites to win, but taking it like it's a real issue is just going to make more and more people angry, so, relax, take it easy. Jesus, you are worse than the WWE people who created those Kayfabe tshirts. This ain't the time nor the place. I'm not being sarcastic, I really think people is taking the issue way out of hand and need relax, they are not discussing the angle, they are going about who's legit better in a angle.
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Post by norsisclouds on Feb 28, 2012 0:13:18 GMT -5
Isn't it also possible that the Rock respects the business and wants John Cena to look good, while maybe getting some things trending on Twitter to draw attention to WWE? Hmmmm........ No! It's still real to him! Really though. I can't believe people are buying this. It's wrestling. They may have been working off real feelings, but I think even the backstage reports to Meltzer were purposely leaked to spin the product.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 28, 2012 0:13:53 GMT -5
And maybe, just maybe, he comes off as disingenuous to them for actually accepting and being in the match instead of working with the guys who are there every night. Did he not spend a summer feuding with green rookies? Did he not spend a summer helping Punk become a legit main eventer? Have I imagined the other locker room leaders (Punk,Orton) trash the Rock and praise Cena? You're right, he did feud with Nexus, and that ended with them all systematically being humiliated on the mic and beaten in the ring to the point where most of those who are left are wrestling on the C-Shows trying to recover. And my only point is that it takes two to feud. Unless you're Al Snow, it takes two to have a match. For all the complaining you do about Rock being in the match, Cena's in it too. From a storyline perspective, if he was so interested in fighting for the company and the guys in back, couldn't he just back away from the match and let someone else have the spotlight, or wrestle someone else? But he doesn't. And I don't really care what Punk and Orton have to say about the match or about their roles as "locker-room leaders" (which I'd never heard until you just said it now). Punk's in the WWE title match and said in the past that Rock shouldn't come back unless it was for the main event, so it's either storyline pushing or hypocrisy on his end.
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 28, 2012 0:14:08 GMT -5
They really do seem pretty even now since Rock was awesome during both Wrestlemania 27 and Survivor Series. You gotta let Cena win sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 0:14:31 GMT -5
Cena's "for the boys" argument does kind of fall apart when you think of the one time he needed to branch out to one of his peers (against Awesome Truth) he branched out to the Rock.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Feb 28, 2012 0:14:31 GMT -5
Good god...I cant believe im having to post this.. Yeah he would. That's what wrestlers do. There's a reason why in every ric flair match theres a spot where the babyface beats flair up to the point where he begs off like a coward. There's a reason why ric flair has a spot where he gets his trunks pulled down and it exposes his ass to the crowd. That's like wrestling 101. There's one person who is written to be upstaged by another. If this feud was just Rock making Cena look like a chump in every single promo, people would complain that it's all one-sided. Variety is the spice of life, they need to have both of 'em look strong. Oh it's their perogative to do whatever they feel like doing but the idea that it wasn't planned is hilarious. Though none of this will matter in the future to be honest. Whoever won or lost...Cena will still be treated as the inferior product by the crowd. Because honestly rock vs cena isnt coke vs pepsi,its coke vs new coke.
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Post by The Tee Why on Feb 28, 2012 0:15:07 GMT -5
Hell, Ill admit I'm getting worked to hell and back, I dont care, this feud is heating up real good. I thought for a while the hype would die down, but I cant wait for WM now.
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Post by Cronant on Feb 28, 2012 0:15:13 GMT -5
Did he not spend a summer feuding with green rookies? Did he not spend a summer helping Punk become a legit main eventer? Have I imagined the other locker room leaders (Punk,Orton) trash the Rock and praise Cena? You're right, he did feud with Nexus, and that ended with them all systematically being humiliated on the mic and beaten in the ring to the point where most of those who are left are wrestling on the C-Shows trying to recover. And my only point is that it takes two to feud. Unless you're Al Snow, it takes two to have a match. For all the complaining you do about Rock being in the match, Cena's in it too. From a storyline perspective, if he was so interested in fighting for the company and the guys in back, couldn't he just back away from the match and let someone else have the spotlight, or wrestle someone else? But he doesn't. And I don't really care what Punk and Orton have to say about the match or about their roles as "locker-room leaders" (which I'd never heard until you just said it now). Punk's in the WWE title match and said in the past that Rock shouldn't come back unless it was for the main event, so it's either storyline pushing or hypocrisy on his end. Cena wanted the match though. That doesn't detract from his point at all. Its still only one PPV. Even kayfabe wise he would have been dumb not to take it. Kayfabe, he wants to beat the hell out of the guy in a match. And I don't think my points were refuted at all. He does work with the other guys, and has tried to help.
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 28, 2012 0:16:30 GMT -5
That's why I'm thinking it has to be a work. If Cena went out there and threw out a legit shoot comment about the notes, that makes him unprofessional as all get-out. It would actually make me lose a little respect for him. What if it was McMahon or someone that told him to do that? I refuse to believe Vince McMahon, or anybody else, is stupid enough to expose pro wrestling's top star, at the moment. That is, of course, if the Rock had no knowledge that the comment was coming.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 28, 2012 0:18:10 GMT -5
I'll say this much: if Rock is trying to hold something back, and that something is the "Cena wants wrestlers to overwork themselves into early graves" card, then Rock can forget about any possibility of me cheering him come April 1. That's the last thing this feud needs.
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Post by "American Dragon" on Feb 28, 2012 0:18:17 GMT -5
Check this newz out -
John Cena in backstage fight with Dwayne Johnson over comments John made about Promo notes on wrist!
John and Dwayne got into a real fight backstage, where Dwayne confronted John about comments John made about his promo notes on his wrist. From what's being said, Johnson took down Cena and there was some punches thrown and then WWE officials had to break it up. Right after the fight, John went in Vince's office and demanded a contract release and Vince said no. They were both sent packing.
I don't know about you guyz but this sounds like it is getting crazzy!
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