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Post by Bishblast on Sept 7, 2011 19:54:04 GMT -5
Yeah, Cult Of Personality is pretty timeless to allot of people. Don't know what you're talking about.
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Post by flatsdomino on Sept 7, 2011 19:55:54 GMT -5
Everyone knows only the INTERNET likes that song....that's why it shot up the ITUNES chart and not the BILLBOARD one. When CM Punk starts moving some real units for that band, I'll change my tune!
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Post by Cronant on Sept 7, 2011 19:59:19 GMT -5
The thing with this angle is, it already peaked.
Realistically, nothing that happens will top that original 3-4 week build to MITB capped off with that awesome match and Punk blowing the kiss to Vince while leaving with the title. That was the payoff.
Everything else afterwards is just icing on the cake. We're expecting these 'shoot-ish' promos every week now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 20:02:36 GMT -5
My .02: people are tired of authority figure/wrestler feuds/interactions. Nash is doing stuff(I love Nash but he doesn't have it anymore) Del Rio/Cena is boring. Awful diva matches/segments. A mid card that isn't exactly exciting. NCAA and NFL football are back
That's why the ratings are about the same every week.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 7, 2011 20:09:04 GMT -5
The thing with this angle is, it already peaked. Realistically, nothing that happens will top that original 3-4 week build to MITB capped off with that awesome match and Punk blowing the kiss to Vince while leaving with the title. That was the payoff. Everything else afterwards is just icing on the cake. We're expecting these 'shoot-ish' promos every week now. I think that's wrong; there were positive directions to go after Punk ran off that likely could've continued the buzz the angle had around it. Instead, they killed it two weeks later. This is one of WWE's biggest failures in ages. It's not that they've created a totally crappy angle, its that they took a dynamite angle that was generating legitimate excitement and just completely defused it. I'm not saying Punk was the key to the next "boom", but at the very least they could've continued the level of buzz and mystery that surrounded the angle.
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Post by hammer89 on Sept 7, 2011 20:18:40 GMT -5
wasnt it labor day that usually effects the ratings somewhat
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Post by Cronant on Sept 7, 2011 20:22:10 GMT -5
The thing with this angle is, it already peaked. Realistically, nothing that happens will top that original 3-4 week build to MITB capped off with that awesome match and Punk blowing the kiss to Vince while leaving with the title. That was the payoff. Everything else afterwards is just icing on the cake. We're expecting these 'shoot-ish' promos every week now. I think that's wrong; there were positive directions to go after Punk ran off that likely could've continued the buzz the angle had around it. Instead, they killed it two weeks later. This is one of WWE's biggest failures in ages. It's not that they've created a totally crappy angle, its that they took a dynamite angle that was generating legitimate excitement and just completely defused it. I'm not saying Punk was the key to the next "boom", but at the very least they could've continued the level of buzz and mystery that surrounded the angle. Of course there were positive directions. I just don't see anything matching what had already happened, other than out there fantasy booking. It was going to go downhill, just how slight was the question. He had won the WWE title, in his hometown, against John Cena, with his buddies in the front row, and figuratively told Vince McMahon to go to hell, while walking off into the sunset. That Wrestlemania type blow off level right there. And unlike most I think Punk staying off TV would have been even more damaging, and that whats happening now isn't even a failure. They've got another top face close to or at Cena's level on RAW.
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Post by Error on Sept 7, 2011 20:23:04 GMT -5
Punk can't draw flies to dung. But blame WWE for some of this too. They took all the steam out of his character as soon as he won the title: "Hey guys, look at me, I'm going to win the belt and then walk out of this hellhole... only to come back two weeks later with a cute new titantron, t-shirt, and some dated them song that hasn't been cool since the early 90s. And spend most of my time bickering with HHH and his Clique buddy." Revolutionary he ain't. The MITB buyrates have got two words for you. Summerslam being WWE's first non-Mania $1,000,000+ gate in years does as well. Punk/Cena was drawing and had people interested but, once again, WWE saw fit to tell people what they want instead of listening to them.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Sept 7, 2011 20:25:19 GMT -5
Labor Day
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 20:26:57 GMT -5
Honestly, I doubt it as most people are back from any beach trips and/or shopping by 9 PM on Labor Day. It's not really a big celebratory holiday, at least not around here.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Sept 7, 2011 20:31:35 GMT -5
Punk can't draw flies to dung. But blame WWE for some of this too. They took all the steam out of his character as soon as he won the title: "Hey guys, look at me, I'm going to win the belt and then walk out of this hellhole... only to come back two weeks later with a cute new titantron, t-shirt, and some dated them song that hasn't been cool since the early 90s. And spend most of my time bickering with HHH and his Clique buddy." Revolutionary he ain't. I usually don't reply like this, But it fits too well to pass: But seriously, what brought you to this forum Mr.Hogan ?
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Sept 7, 2011 20:34:32 GMT -5
The thing with this angle is, it already peaked. Realistically, nothing that happens will top that original 3-4 week build to MITB capped off with that awesome match and Punk blowing the kiss to Vince while leaving with the title. That was the payoff. Everything else afterwards is just icing on the cake. We're expecting these 'shoot-ish' promos every week now. I think that's wrong; there were positive directions to go after Punk ran off that likely could've continued the buzz the angle had around it. Instead, they killed it two weeks later. This is one of WWE's biggest failures in ages. It's not that they've created a totally crappy angle, its that they took a dynamite angle that was generating legitimate excitement and just completely defused it. I'm not saying Punk was the key to the next "boom", but at the very least they could've continued the level of buzz and mystery that surrounded the angle. I agree 100% punk could have been a great catalyst for a dynamic new direction, I can attest to two of my close friends who had stopped watching wwe programming regularly becoming interested again only to have the rug pulled from under them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 20:35:06 GMT -5
And unlike most I think Punk staying off TV would have been even more damaging, and that whats happening now isn't even a failure. They've got another top face close to or at Cena's level on RAW. I disagree. Punk staying off television would have made him a bigger star, IMO. In the days of overexposure and oversaturation, giving viewers a taste of something rather than the whole meal is likely better in the long run. Punk should have left with the title and made sporadic appearances here and there (like Comic Con). It would have given off a sense of unpredictability and chaos whenever he showed up. He was being pushed as a guy who was going to screw over the company that never appreciated him. That in itself was a character with some layers to it. Instead he came back two weeks later with a presumed "big fat contract" with his own shirt and new music. Makes you wonder just what the heck was the point of his "shooting" in the first place. If they prolonged the Cena/Punk feud, rather than put the strap on Del Rio because of some tour they will take later, it would have made money. Maybe even more than it already did.
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Post by moneyman20 on Sept 7, 2011 20:36:03 GMT -5
Punk can't draw flies to dung. But blame WWE for some of this too. They took all the steam out of his character as soon as he won the title: "Hey guys, look at me, I'm going to win the belt and then walk out of this hellhole... only to come back two weeks later with a cute new titantron, t-shirt, and some dated them song that hasn't been cool since the early 90s. And spend most of my time bickering with HHH and his Clique buddy." Revolutionary he ain't. If it makes you feel better about yourself, then keep telling yourself that and maybe someday it will make some sense.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Sept 7, 2011 20:46:53 GMT -5
I'll wait for the "by the numbers," but if it's anything like the past couple of weeks, it's gonna be the same message: Cena and Punk can draw, everything else kills, because who cares for the midcard, the Divas, or the tag-team division if the WWE doesn't? Seriously, Vince Russo could be booking the Cena/Punk, Cena no Punk, or Punk no Cena angle; it doesn't change the fact that everything else hasn't even been put on the back burner- it's in the flippin' freezer!
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Post by joebob27 on Sept 7, 2011 20:56:36 GMT -5
Punk was off TV at 10 after 10 this week. So that scapegoat isn't going to fly
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Post by joebob27 on Sept 7, 2011 21:04:45 GMT -5
And really, let's be honest, the smarmy "let's blame the new thing" attitude is ridiculous because Raw's ratings have been on a leisurely stroll down a mountain for years, and guess what, that's not the "new thing's" problem.... that's everyone's problem.
You might not want to hear it, but there's only one surefire guy to bump ratings, and you know who he is. Of course they'll play him out before they even get to the big payday, but I digress.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 7, 2011 21:04:55 GMT -5
And unlike most I think Punk staying off TV would have been even more damaging, and that whats happening now isn't even a failure. They've got another top face close to or at Cena's level on RAW. I disagree. Punk staying off television would have made him a bigger star, IMO. In the days of overexposure and oversaturation, giving viewers a taste of something rather than the whole meal is likely better in the long run. Punk should have left with the title and made sporadic appearances here and there (like Comic Con). It would have given off a sense of unpredictability and chaos whenever he showed up. He was being pushed as a guy who was going to screw over the company that never appreciated him. That in itself was a character with some layers to it. Instead he came back two weeks later with a presumed "big fat contract" with his own shirt and new music. Makes you wonder just what the heck was the point of his "shooting" in the first place. If they prolonged the Cena/Punk feud, rather than put the strap on Del Rio because of some tour they will take later, it would have made money. Maybe even more than it already did. Exactly. The buzz surrounding Punk's shoot and title win had to do with fans not believing that WWE would actually pull the trigger on an angle where they'd integrate so many shoot elements, and actually go through with having an absentee champion. Upon bringing him back, the angle has just reverted into a basic "McMahon family-driven conspiracy/power struggle" formula. Punk's shoot and title win was meant as a major moment where WWE's status quo would be turned upside down. By bringing him back immediately, status quo was immediately restored.
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Post by BigWill on Sept 7, 2011 21:17:33 GMT -5
What's up with everyone blaming Punk for the ratings not rising? Cena was getting the same kind of ratings this time last year in the main event. And I doubt that any of your favorite superstars would be able to do any better either. People need to stop wishing for Attitude level ratings, because it just isn't going to happen in this era, regardless of who's in the main event. Either just try and enjoy what you can get or stop watching the show, and stop obsessing over the ratings. Unless you have stock in the WWE, the ratings really shouldn't have much affect in your enjoyment of the product.
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Post by Altabane on Sept 7, 2011 21:20:17 GMT -5
Punk can't draw flies to dung. But blame WWE for some of this too. They took all the steam out of his character as soon as he won the title: "Hey guys, look at me, I'm going to win the belt and then walk out of this hellhole... only to come back two weeks later with a cute new titantron, t-shirt, and some dated them song that hasn't been cool since the early 90s. And spend most of my time bickering with HHH and his Clique buddy." Revolutionary he ain't. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) MITB buyrate and his t-shirt sales make this a troll rant
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