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Post by Snowman on Mar 6, 2012 11:18:41 GMT -5
I marked out! I love Santino! Bring on the Luger-metre! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Hawk Hart on Mar 6, 2012 11:18:50 GMT -5
You honestly can't be saying that Ryder's reign hurt the US title can you? He spent months chasing one of the most solidly built champions in years and, eventually, beat him. After he had the belt he only dropped it because he was kayfabe hurt and even then it took just about everything Swagger had in his arsenal to win. The only way Ryder's run with the belt hurt the belt is that it ended with Swagger holding the title. Ryder was treated as little more than a joke until he starts his crappy internet show, then people like him and of a sudden he's US champion. Saying the US title is "Solidly built" is a bit much. It was just sort of a waist decoration for Dolph Ziggler for about six months, then yay Ryder wins it and we're supposed to pretend it means something again. Ziggler was having solid matches every time he was on TV as champion, title defense or not, sometimes twice in one night, how is that guy not solidly booked? And, it wasn't "all of a sudden" with Ryder, he had fans from his ECW run (Remember that? He was pretty over back then.) and that translated into more fans when Z! finally started months after ECW ended. Yeah, he was kind of a joke when he was champion but he dropped it pretty quick, Swagger did too but he didn't have nearly the support or momentum that Ryder had when he won it.
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Post by Chardee MacDennis on Mar 6, 2012 11:21:49 GMT -5
That whole segment was awesome. Had a very Attitude Era feel. Lots of shenanigans, lots of people involved, crowd was hot, mid card title getting good time/focus. I loved it.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Mar 6, 2012 11:26:54 GMT -5
Ziggler was having solid matches every time he was on TV as champion, title defense or not, sometimes twice in one night, how is that guy not solidly booked? But that didn't have anything to do with the US title. That's why I said it was just basically a waist decoration. And he was constantly losing to Zack Ryder. Most people would have figured Zack would eventually end up with title anyway. And, it wasn't "all of a sudden" with Ryder, he had fans from his ECW run (Remember that? He was pretty over back then.) He was? Yeah, he was kind of a joke when he was champion but he dropped it pretty quick, Swagger did too but he didn't have nearly the support or momentum that Ryder had when he won it. Niether of these phrases are very supportive to the idea the US isn't a bit of a joke now.
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Post by sunnytaker on Mar 6, 2012 11:31:55 GMT -5
i did kinda like the totally random Kofi appearance- then again Ziggler was out there and Kofi and Dolph aren't allowed to go mor than a week or two without running across each other to continue their best of a million series.
i have to admit though- i was waiting for Cole to come out with something silly like "How can Santino compete for the US Title? he's not even American!!!"
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Post by horsemen4ever on Mar 6, 2012 11:34:06 GMT -5
Hate to burst your bubbles, but you know Satino tonight. Question is who will he drop ti to? Swager, Otungo?
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Post by klapaucius on Mar 6, 2012 11:50:55 GMT -5
good for him =)
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Post by Savage Gambino on Mar 6, 2012 11:53:42 GMT -5
I cannot stand Santino so I cannot wait till he loses it Same here. I remember, by the end of that abortion of a FIRST title defense, just Kubrick staring at the television for about three minutes, just reveling in how mind-boggling that was. I mean, my God, not only was it Jack's first title defense, it was one of the first times he was on television in singles action since he won the title last month! And, instead of even pretending he's a competent human being, let alone a worthy competitor, they job him to that goober with the sock on his hand! Honestly, as a fan of Swagger, who long since got tired of Santino's act a year ago, and Teddy Long's even before that, that was just a triple blow. Just... UGH!
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 6, 2012 12:08:44 GMT -5
First Ryder now Santino. I think this is a good indication that the U.S. title pretty means dick compared to what it used to mean. You honestly can't be saying that Ryder's reign hurt the US title can you? He spent months chasing one of the most solidly built champions in years and, eventually, beat him. After he had the belt he only dropped it because he was kayfabe hurt and even then it took just about everything Swagger had in his arsenal to win. The only way Ryder's run with the belt hurt the belt is that it ended with Swagger holding the title. Agreed. The US title meant absolutely everything to Ryder. He made that title look like the greatest thing ever
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 6, 2012 12:17:31 GMT -5
Very deserving, especially with how over the guy is.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 6, 2012 12:26:32 GMT -5
Hate it.
Don't begrudge him, but with my thread about Swagger the bias there should be apparent; but more than that, the win outta nowhere makes the belt look like shit.
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 6, 2012 12:32:16 GMT -5
Hate it. Don't begrudge him, but with my thread about Swagger the bias there should be apparent; but more than that, the win outta nowhere makes the belt look like s***. Ive seen your argument about Swagger being misused and you're preaching to the chior, dude. That said, the belt being defended like, twice in the last 2 months made it look like shit. Santino is over like crazy and will likely defend the damn thing. Right now, that was the right move to make.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Mar 6, 2012 12:39:44 GMT -5
Ryder was treated as little more than a joke until he starts his crappy internet show, then people like him and of a sudden he's US champion. Saying the US title is "Solidly built" is a bit much. It was just sort of a waist decoration for Dolph Ziggler for about six months, then yay Ryder wins it and we're supposed to pretend it means something again. Ziggler was having solid matches every time he was on TV as champion, title defense or not, sometimes twice in one night, how is that guy not solidly booked? And, it wasn't "all of a sudden" with Ryder, he had fans from his ECW run (Remember that? He was pretty over back then.) and that translated into more fans when Z! finally started months after ECW ended. Yeah, he was kind of a joke when he was champion but he dropped it pretty quick, Swagger did too but he didn't have nearly the support or momentum that Ryder had when he won it. Ziggler also lost most of those matches. Having good matches doesnt mean youre being solidly built. If it did,tyson kidd would of main evented mania last year. And he defended his belt almost none of those times. I mean I love ziggler but hes been booked so f***ing badly.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Mar 6, 2012 12:42:27 GMT -5
I cannot stand Santino so I cannot wait till he loses it Same here. I remember, by the end of that abortion of a FIRST title defense, just Kubrick staring at the television for about three minutes, just reveling in how mind-boggling that was. I mean, my God, not only was it Jack's first title defense, it was one of the first times he was on television in singles action since he won the title last month! And, instead of even pretending he's a competent human being, let alone a worthy competitor, they job him to that goober with the sock on his hand! Honestly, as a fan of Swagger, who long since got tired of Santino's act a year ago, and Teddy Long's even before that, that was just a triple blow. Just... UGH! I agree with the sentiment, but it wasn't his first defence. He beat Gabriel at EC to retain.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 6, 2012 12:46:16 GMT -5
Hate it. Don't begrudge him, but with my thread about Swagger the bias there should be apparent; but more than that, the win outta nowhere makes the belt look like s***. Ive seen your argument about Swagger being misused and you're preaching to the chior, dude. That said, the belt being defended like, twice in the last 2 months made it look like s***. Santino is over like crazy and will likely defend the damn thing. Right now, that was the right move to make. Yeah, actually the way you put it is what I was goin for; I shoulda elaborated.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Mar 6, 2012 12:47:16 GMT -5
Ryder was treated as little more than a joke until he starts his crappy internet show, then people like him and of a sudden he's US champion. I love how this quote implies he started a webshow and was immediately handed the US title.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 6, 2012 12:48:28 GMT -5
Ive seen your argument about Swagger being misused and you're preaching to the chior, dude. That said, the belt being defended like, twice in the last 2 months made it look like s***. Santino is over like crazy and will likely defend the damn thing. Right now, that was the right move to make. Yeah, actually the way you put it is what I was goin for; I shoulda elaborated. Sadly, I see the IC title is getting the same treatment, after they started off hot with it. Swagger has the tools to be a main eventer. It sickens me that he's a glorified jobber
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Post by Juice on Mar 6, 2012 12:49:57 GMT -5
Ryder was treated as little more than a joke until he starts his crappy internet show, then people like him and of a sudden he's US champion. I love how this quote implies he started a webshow and was immediately handed the US title. Yeah it took damn near a year of hard work, but hey revisionism has to start somewhere.
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Post by mysterydriver on Mar 6, 2012 13:02:17 GMT -5
I was happy to see Santino win. He's a good solid midcard face, who isn't Superman and still has the crowd support him.
Yes, he's more of a comedy character, but over the last few months they've started letting him get wins and established his Cobra Strike.
But, all the rambling won't convince those who dislike him and those who do like him will just nod. Good for Santino. It probably won't be a long run, but I see nothing wrong with him having one.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 6, 2012 13:06:51 GMT -5
I was happy to see Santino win. He's a good solid midcard face, who isn't Superman and still has the crowd support him. Yes, he's more of a comedy character, but over the last few months they've started letting him get wins and established his Cobra Strike. But, all the rambling won't convince those who dislike him and those who do like him will just nod. Good for Santino. It probably won't be a long run, but I see nothing wrong with him having one. That's my line of thinking. Honestly, the guy has done everything asked of him, and in the meantime has gotten crazy over. I see no issue with rewarding him a little
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