IWC opinions you disagree with

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The idea that the average looking divas are actually the hot ones, such Molly Holly and Natalya. Obviously neither is ugly or unattractive. But compared to Marysse or Eve, there's no comparison.

[Ryback on a Pole!]

Colt Cabana

Don't get the IWC love at all. Just don't find him to be as funny as people make out and he's never seemed overly special in the ring.

[Ben Wyatt]

Ive seen people say Cena's 2007 reign was garbage: No. No it wasnt. He had the badass LMS match with Umaga (putting him over as a complete monster), 2 terrific matches vs HBK, a shockingly good match with Kahli and the Bash match vs Lashley.


Id say 07 might have been Cena's best year, match wise

[Kitty Shamrocks]

Popular IWC opinions, according to this thread:

-If you're not in the WWE, you're nothing
-The WWE is worse than the indies
-Jericho is amazing
-Jericho is boring
-Punk is overrated
-Punk would have created a new boom period
-Nobody ever said Punk would have created a new boom period

[jkfcsf]

-Kelly Kelly is the worst thing to ever happen to the Divas Division. While by no means a phenomenal wrestler, and a good amount of the criticism directed towards her is valid, I've always found her to be passable and harmless, and the scathing hate I've seen some direct towards her is a bit disturbing.

[The Ichi]

Jun 8, 2012 12:19:35 GMT -5 Kitty Shamrocks said:

Popular IWC opinions, according to this thread:

-If you're not in the WWE, you're nothing
-The WWE is worse than the indies
-Jericho is amazing
-Jericho is boring
-Punk is overrated
-Punk would have created a new boom period
-Nobody ever said Punk would have created a new boom period

Maybe the moral of the story is that everyone has varied opinions?

Nah.

[The Gambler Fan]

I have notice a great amount of people who are a part of the IWC claims that Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart could not draw money. The problem with the Michaels and Hart could not draw argument is that they were both world champions in the WWF and main evented several WrestleManias. Vince McMahon is a great promoter he may not love pro wrestling but he does know how to make money from it. If Shawn or Bret did not make him money, he would have never allowed them to be world champions or headline a Wrestlemania. McMahon does not seem like the type that would push a wrestler due to friendship. McMahon becomes a wrestler’s friend when the wrestler makes him money. And money is the one thing that he cares about the most.

[Marvelously Mediocre]

Anything the wrestlers do on TV having anything to do with the Be A Star campaign. So many IWC people jump on a high horse and say 'that's not being a star' to a babyface who insults or beats up a heel. Wrestlers aren't role models, even with John Cena it's the parents responsibility to make sure that kids know that nothing they see on WWE should be taken on board and copied in the real world. The Be A Star campaign is just a charity that WWE affiliates with because it's a good cause and relevant in today's world. It should obviously be taken as non-kayfabe and completely seperate from anything done on TV as wrestling just can't be compared to real life.

Also frequent title changes supposedly resulting in the title losing credibilty. We're meant to assume that these titles will go on forever so in 40 years time the title's lineage will be much bigger with many more former champions. Does this mean the title means less? I'd argue it means more as it has an even greater lineage. So what if Edge won it 40 or so times in 2008-10? What does de-value a title is not having it main event your PPVs every month which is currently the case with the WWE title. However even this doesn't mean the WWE title is losing credibility that it will never get back. Once it starts being the main attraction again, it will be just as valuable as it always has been.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

The idea that Swagger dragged Ziggler down and kept him from being a singles star. BOTH men were U.S. Champion during their run as a team. Ziggler was able to maintain (more like juggle) feuds with Alex Riley, John Morrison, Mason Ryan, and Zack Ryder while having a tag team partner. Ziggler had a WWE Championship match at the Royal Rumble (even if it was filler) and participated in the Elimination Chamber match while having a tag team partner. Ziggler could easily be booked as a World Champion with Swagger by his side.

[Mochi Lone Wolf]

Jun 8, 2012 17:41:14 GMT -5 Marvelously Mediocre said:

Anything the wrestlers do on TV having anything to do with the Be A Star campaign. So many IWC people jump on a high horse and say 'that's not being a star' to a babyface who insults or beats up a heel. Wrestlers aren't role models, even with John Cena it's the parents responsibility to make sure that kids know that nothing they see on WWE should be taken on board and copied in the real world. The Be A Star campaign is just a charity that WWE affiliates with because it's a good cause and relevant in today's world. It should obviously be taken as non-kayfabe and completely seperate from anything done on TV as wrestling just can't be compared to real life.

Also frequent title changes supposedly resulting in the title losing credibilty. We're meant to assume that these titles will go on forever so in 40 years time the title's lineage will be much bigger with many more former champions. Does this mean the title means less? I'd argue it means more as it has an even greater lineage. So what if Edge won it 40 or so times in 2008-10? What does de-value a title is not having it main event your PPVs every month which is currently the case with the WWE title. However even this doesn't mean the WWE title is losing credibility that it will never get back. Once it starts being the main attraction again, it will be just as valuable as it always has been.

Completely agree with those two. Great post.

[Banecat]

I dont agree with the opinion the IWC places on great matches on free TV. There is nothing wrong with it especially when PPV buys aren't the most lucrative money making opportunity.

[Bub (BLM)]

I get really tired of seeing fans of independent wrestling being talked down to by WWE loyalists just because they make a comment about X wrestler being more entertaining in ROH or something. And I say that as someone who never watches indy wrestling. I just don't understand why people have to look down their noses at one anothers' opinions.

[SEAN CARLESS]

Jun 8, 2012 23:21:53 GMT -5 Mochi Lone Wolf said:

the wrestlers do on TV having anything to do with the Be A Star campaign. So many IWC people jump on a high horse and say 'that's not being a star' to a babyface who insults or beats up a heel. Wrestlers aren't role models, even with John Cena it's the parents responsibility to make sure that kids know that nothing they see on WWE should be taken on board and copied in the real world. The Be A Star campaign is just a charity that WWE affiliates with because it's a good cause and relevant in today's world. It should obviously be taken as non-kayfabe and completely seperate from anything done on TV as wrestling just can't be compared to real life.

I'd agree ...except the WWE is run by a real life bully. He often targets certain people publically (and often outside of storylines) for no other reason than it makes him laugh. (His treatement of Jim Ross for example.).That's where the hypocrisy comes in and why people bemoan it. If it was all simply just kayfabe stories and characters, you're argument would hold water. But Vince and sometimes others use the medium to chastise, mock and bury certain people for their own amusement. That, by definition, is bullying. And ergo it is ridiculous for a company to advocate such a campaign when the company's leader can't even bother to subscribe to the the philosophy in real life.