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Post by The Spelunker! on Mar 16, 2012 0:42:41 GMT -5
Commentators never calling the matches, nor calling them as believably. Also, matches never ending with anything other than finishers/rollups/cheating. There should be a class of moves that can possibly end a match, just to give them the element of surprise, and not always building to one or two possible moves.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Mar 16, 2012 1:18:21 GMT -5
On the subject of finishes, the following moves should be the end of the match period:
Piledriver DDT Powerbomb Brainbuster
Some moves should be universally acknowledged as instant death and only only ONLY should be kicked out of if the match is high stakes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 2:15:10 GMT -5
Submission holds like the jujigatame and heel hook, legitimate BJJ and Judo holds being treated like any other submission hold where guys struggle to the ropes. Look, I train. In a competitive environment if I were to get you in an armbar and you went struggling to the other side of the ring you'd get your arm broken.
I don't have a problem with it when it's stuff you can argue is pain compliance like the boston crab or sharpshooter, or even the crossface. It could actually be rather unique psychology that could make matches interesting. Certain holds you could struggle to the ropes, but some? You just need to avoid altogether. That'd be cool.
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Post by Kick Your Face on Mar 16, 2012 2:24:28 GMT -5
On the subject of finishes, the following moves should be the end of the match period: Piledriver Some moves should be universally acknowledged as instant death and only only ONLY should be kicked out of if the match is high stakes. As many awesome things as it did, joshi ruined the piledriver.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 8:28:42 GMT -5
Tag team matches where the babyface makes the hot tag after getting the crap beat out of him. Then, after his partner does his beat downs, he tags back in the guy who took the heat. Colt Cabana and Jimmy Yang talked about it on their podcast. It's more then just always beating Colt, but Yang would have looked like an idiot. Funny how after a 30-second rest, the guy getting the crap beat out of him for the previous 6 minutes is joining in the melee as if HE was the one tagged in. (I'm looking at you, Road Dogg.) Double cross-bodyblock attempts. (Bryan & Punk did one the other night.) It never looks good. DDTs and superplexes have become transition moves ("hope spots"), not an "end all"
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Post by baronmordo on Mar 16, 2012 10:38:00 GMT -5
Ugh, rrnew, who gives a f*** if it's not realistic? Neither is getting punched in the head 50 times, only to keep fighting. Wrestling IS NOT MMA, how many f***ing times do people have to be told that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 11:21:56 GMT -5
GRRRR CURSING AND YELLING GRRR
If it doesn't want to be viewed within an MMA lens, then stop building guys by talking about their MMA influences and jacking holds from MMA. I'm not calling for wrestling to become hyper realistic, I'm calling for it to treat a few moves smarter.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Mar 16, 2012 11:38:13 GMT -5
Hmm, I'd have to say that...
WHAT!?
some of the things...
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that I really hate...
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in wrestling are...
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 16, 2012 11:55:56 GMT -5
Developmental.
The WWE starting its own developmental territory where they train guys from scratch has made the majority of wrestlers on the roster become completely expendable. Talented guys can be fired and replaced by a guy from developmental and it won't harm the company one jot because the company itself is now the draw so they can treat inexperienced talent like crap.
They bring talented guys up and never give them a real chance, guys who could bring something different to the plate, heck, sometimes they intentionally set them up to fail because when they inevitably do, they can just be replaced with someone else from developmental that management likes better.
Honestly, I think if guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and HHH started today, they would be brought up from developmental and given a halfhearted push for a few months on the C shows, sent back to developmental because they're nowhere near the finished product, or because they were given a dead end gimmick that couldn't get over, then quietly released because the guys in charge have found shinier new toys to play with.
Developmental should be a finishing school, for getting people with experience used to the WWE style, teaching them how to work to the cameras, not training guys from scratch, nor should it have a roster as large as the main shows.
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Post by gonzo16 on Mar 16, 2012 12:27:57 GMT -5
I hate how secret strategies and plots are revealed backstage.....with a damn cameraman filming right in front of them. It's corny and insulting. At least try to make it seem like the cameraman is sneaky and being discreet.
I have also hated ref bumps where they stay knocked out for like 5 minutes, and all of a sudden they come to when it's time to make the winning cover.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 13:24:12 GMT -5
The cookie-cutter weekly format WWE has going on right now. I'm not a fan of knowing that I don't really have to tune in until 9:20 on Mondays, since all I'll miss is a long-winded promo that gets interrupted multiple times and sets up the (usually tag team) main event.
I'm also not a fan of the lack of wrestling on the two main shows. I haven't been to a TV taping since the early/mid-'90s, and I can completely understand why the crowds just sit on their hands now. With at least half of the show consisting of guys in suits standing in the ring talking, it must feel like attending a lecture instead of a wrestling event.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 16, 2012 14:56:14 GMT -5
I agree with the fact that Smackdown's theme song sucks. As do most PPV themes. The Raw theme kind of sucks too, but I appreciate that it at least resembles something that should play at the beginning of a wrestling show. It's an improvement over the last Raw theme, that's for sure.
I hate pointless backstage segments. The Teddy/Aksana stuff is a prime example. It's not only pointless, but they use music and lighting for them...WHY!? On that note, I hate when they use special effects of any sort during backstage segments. A good example is during the Orton/Taker feud when Taker used his magic to make it look like Bob Orton was bleeding. It's very stupid.
But to keep this from being focused solely on WWE, I'll point out a few things about wrestling in general that I don't like.
It's stupid how ref bumps are handled. Since before I've been watching wrestling, ref's have occasionally gotten knocked out during matches. Yet after all these years, they haven't learned how to handle it right. What do you think would happen in a boxing or UFC match if the ref got knocked out? Would they stop the fight, get the ref to safety, bring out a new ref and continue the fight? Or would they just let his ass lay there until he finally regains consciousness 5 minutes later? I understand that it's supposed to add drama, but it totally kills the suspension of disbelief. Taker vs. Trips at WM 17 is a prime example.
I dislike about 90% the "trade pins/dodge each others kicks then stand up and pose while the crowd claps" spot. When done right, it's really awesome. I loved it when RVD and Jerry Lynn did it back in 1999. Nowadays though, it seems like the crowd is only clapping because they're supposed to. It looks kind of pitiful.
I hate when certain wrestlers use the same spot too often. Austin used to go for a piledriver on the floor during every one of his matches, and the person would always reverse it into a backdrop. Flair would also go to the top rope, and it would always end with him getting thrown off the top. Spots like that aren't that impressive in the first place, and it makes no sense for them to happen in every damn match.
I strongly dislike calling for the finisher. Punk does it with the GTS, Orton does it with the RKO, etc. It always ends with the move getting countered.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 16, 2012 15:02:25 GMT -5
To add on the ref bumps, I hated that damn near every big match from like 98-05 had to have one. I guess refs were just fragile little human being in those times.
Blatantly blading on camera has always bothered me. I'm not supposed to see it and yet some guys don't even bother hiding it. Talking out loud always bothers me. I'm not supposed to hear it.
This happened a lot in WCW during it's dying days, guys would bring tables out and they would never use them. So why did you even bother to bring them out?
Brawls that happen in the middle of the match while it's still going on. That usually means the match will be completely ignored.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Mar 16, 2012 15:49:08 GMT -5
To add on the ref bumps, I hated that damn near every big match from like 98-05 had to have one. I guess refs were just fragile little human being in those times. Blatantly blading on camera has always bothered me. I'm not supposed to see it and yet some guys don't even bother hiding it. Talking out loud always bothers me. I'm not supposed to hear it. This happened a lot in WCW during it's dying days, guys would bring tables out and they would never use them. So why did you even bother to bring them out? Brawls that happen in the middle of the match while it's still going on. That usually means the match will be completely ignored. I never noticed blading or calling spots. I see them in botchamania all the time so SOMEBODY notices them, but I don't. The thing about tables is ridiculous. The only time I can remember WWE introducing a table into a match and not using it was during the Extreme Elimination Chamber. Lashley used the table to break out of his pod and then it just laid there for the rest of the match. So lame.
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Post by barthelemykaras on Mar 16, 2012 16:40:36 GMT -5
The pushing of guys who are only midcard at best (Swagger, Miz, Bryan) as world champions. Along with the constant gushing over said guys.
MiTB cash-ins never being legit matches.
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Post by baronmordo on Mar 16, 2012 16:48:36 GMT -5
rrnew, it's not that hard to understand. There used to be guys in wrestling who had boxing and karate backgrounds, and they used punching combos and throws just like that. But they were still sold like wrestling moves, and weren't treated realistically either. You MMAtards don't seem to have a single speck of knowledge when it comes to how wrestling works.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Mar 16, 2012 17:47:47 GMT -5
DROP THE ATTITUDE NOW.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 16, 2012 17:53:42 GMT -5
I hate how overproduced WWE is today. It makes everything look a whole lot faker. There's also too much emphasis on lighting, videos and music. Basically all the stuff that should be secondary to the actual wrestling.
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Post by mrjl on Mar 16, 2012 18:01:09 GMT -5
On the subject of finishes, the following moves should be the end of the match period: Piledriver DDT Powerbomb Brainbuster Some moves should be universally acknowledged as instant death and only only ONLY should be kicked out of if the match is high stakes. I'll agree with piledriver and DDT, but there's a lot of weak brainbusters out there, and just to many powerbomb variations to say all of them should be an instant finish. Even in the early 90's Scott Steiner's double underhook kneeling power bomb was only a two count
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 18:14:05 GMT -5
Worse than that? "Invisible cameraman" backstage segments. JUST CUT A @#$%ING PROMO, GOOD LORD. So insanely insulting to fans. Came here to post this. I absolutely cannot stand backstage segments that do not acknowledge the camera. Hell, backstage segments in general are unnecessary, unless it is Mean Gene style where an announcer is interviewing someone. WWE has to decide whether they are a sitcom or a real time event.
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