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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Mar 18, 2012 11:59:06 GMT -5
Blatant revisionist history is a huge pet peeve of mine and it's all over the place in wrestling. It's insulting to audience intelligence to say that things happened a certain way when some of the audience has been around long enough to know that the revisionist version of it isn't even close to what actually happened.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 18, 2012 20:37:35 GMT -5
They always do the figure four leglock on the wrong leg. It's the straight leg that the move hits, not the bent one. A guy will work 20 minutes on one knee, then put the f4 and hit the other knee. Makes no sense. I was under the impression that it hurts both legs in different spots. The straight leg is hurt by pushing the bent leg across or just below the knee. While the bent leg is hurt by applying pressure to the shin. IMO from playing around when I was younger, the bent leg was always the one that hurt more.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Mar 18, 2012 20:53:53 GMT -5
They always do the figure four leglock on the wrong leg. It's the straight leg that the move hits, not the bent one. A guy will work 20 minutes on one knee, then put the f4 and hit the other knee. Makes no sense. I was under the impression that it hurts both legs in different spots. The straight leg is hurt by pushing the bent leg across or just below the knee. While the bent leg is hurt by applying pressure to the shin. IMO from playing around when I was younger, the bent leg was always the one that hurt more. That's strange because my friends and I used to mess around with stuff like the figure four or the sleeper or the cobra clutch or the scorpion death lick/sharpshooter too. I had the figure four put on me and it was the shin on my straight leg that hurt. We then came to the conclusion that to protect the guy in thedefensive position in the hold, you cross the bending leg over the thigh instead.
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Post by fourwinds on Mar 18, 2012 23:20:06 GMT -5
-The belts mean nothing anymore. Earning a championship belt used to be a big deal. "I'm a 5 time world champion!" ...Yeah this year alone.
- Tag teams are going extinct (WWE) these used to be some of the most well thought out and intense matches. All but dead now in the larger promotions.
- Lack of real heels. People used to HATE these guys. They had to worry about fans after a show when leaving the building. HHH despite my opinions on him was great in this role. He would hit people with sledgehammers, run people over with cars. Etc.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Mar 19, 2012 21:54:39 GMT -5
If there's an intergender match, there WILL be a Powerbomb reversed into a (usually incredibly sloppy) Hurricanrana. It's one of (if not THE) most overdone spot in recent memory.
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Post by Danimal on Mar 20, 2012 3:42:07 GMT -5
Internet huggy bears whose fans are out of control and ruin the wrestler by slobbering over every single thing they do like it's the greatest thing in the world. (CM Punk, Kevin Steen, Serina Deeb) Catchphrases. The Attitude Era completely ruined it for me. Worn out songs being used as themes for wrestlers. There are still people who use that awful Drowning Pool song. Dave Prazak. Not sure what a "huggy bear" is other than a pimpish Starsky & Hutch character but I get what you're saying. I don't have a problem with Punk but some hang from the guy's sack like he can do no wrong.
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Post by BHB on Mar 22, 2012 11:44:47 GMT -5
WWE's refusal to even marginally attempt to come off as a competitive sport. It drives me nuts when you see angles where a wrestler is deemed "not entertaining" as if that really should matter a damn in an organization that should be dictated by wins and losses. I hate this.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 22, 2012 11:50:16 GMT -5
"you can't wrestle/you f***ed up" chants, usually coming from slovenly bastards who've never been in a ring much less pulled off a successful move.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 22, 2012 11:51:17 GMT -5
WWE's refusal to even marginally attempt to come off as a competitive sport. It drives me nuts when you see angles where a wrestler is deemed "not entertaining" as if that really should matter a damn in an organization that should be dictated by wins and losses. I hate this. to be fair, the most popular wrestlers should be the ones they give the most TV time to. at the same time, said popular wrestlers should also be booked to be among the best.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 22, 2012 12:16:52 GMT -5
To add on to my ever growing list: twists that happen in the middle of the match that end up having no bearing on the outcome of the match. Like at Victory Road, Madison leaves Gail Kim in the middle of the match, evening the odds for the babyface. Yet, she still wins clean. It makes the babyface in that situation look like a complete dweeb and renders the the in-match twist completely pointless.
I'll add on to that point and say that it bothers me when they do those kinds of twists and don't even bother to follow up on it and hope the audience just forgets about that. Happened all the time during Russo's booking reign in WCW. Again, what was the point?
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Post by h on Mar 22, 2012 20:33:30 GMT -5
I hate when certain wrestlers use the same spot too often. Austin used to go for a piledriver on the floor during every one of his matches, and the person would always reverse it into a backdrop. Flair would also go to the top rope, and it would always end with him getting thrown off the top. Spots like that aren't that impressive in the first place, and it makes no sense for them to happen in every damn match. Good choice. Some of the spots I found the most annoying have been: 1) Razor Ramon signals for the Razor's Edge. For no good reason, however, he turns so that he is facing the ropes, which are only a foot and a half in front of him. The move couldn't possibly work. Of course, he gets backdropped over the ropes instead. 2) When any other wrestler gets Irish whipped into the corner, they run into the corner. Shawn Michaels is the only wrestler who flips over instead. 3) Sticking with Shawn Michaels, every match needs to involve someone throwing him over the top rope and then turning their back on him. Every time, he pulls himself back over. 4) Wrestlers who never use a headbutt in any other match always feel the need to use one when they're facing someone with Samoan ancestry. They might have done away with these since I stopped watching, but they always annoyed me in the mid-1990s.
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Post by Dean-o on Mar 22, 2012 21:45:16 GMT -5
When they stopped announcing matches in advance. Sure, they will set up the main event at the start ofthe show, but usually for the rest of the show, we see one guy come out, then we all wait to see who is opponent is. The audience doesn't know, the announcers act like they don't know, does the wrestler in the ring even know?
I know they do this to keep fans from flipping the channel, but just speaks for their lack of faith of the roster.
Also, not protecting champions. We see champions losing non-title matches ALL THE TIME yet most of the time the victorious wrestler acts like he couldn't care less that he beat a champion. I remember when Del Rio was champ, Big Show beat him clean on a random Raw. Umm...why?!?!
It's a stupid cheap method to build a feud yet all it does is devalue the belts and the titleholders. Most of the time we don't even see a feud out of it, as it's just ignored.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Mar 22, 2012 23:22:42 GMT -5
That's strange because my friends and I used to mess around with stuff like the figure four or the sleeper or the cobra clutch or the scorpion death lick/sharpshooter too. I don't wanna know what kind of submission hold that is!!!
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Mar 23, 2012 9:10:14 GMT -5
That's strange because my friends and I used to mess around with stuff like the figure four or the sleeper or the cobra clutch or the scorpion death lick/sharpshooter too. I don't wanna know what kind of submission hold that is!!! Nor do I. *stupid Andre-esque missing the letter "o"*
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 9:30:56 GMT -5
Long as we're going onto the topic of "older stuff we hated": -Hacksaw Duggan (or any wrestler who has a football background) using the three-point stance/shoulder tackle from the corner. Fine, that's their move. But, anytime they don't start from the corner, they get tripped up or you know they're going to mess up. WrestleMania IV, Duggan did the move from near the ropes. Coincidentally, that's when Andre grabbed his foot. WrestleMania 2, William Perry did it on Big John Studd in the battle royal. Fridge goes by the ropes to do it again. Gee, what a shock. He takes an elbow and gets hip-tossed over.
Announcers who tell us the wrestlers train and prepare for an opponent by watching videotape and film. Then they go out and do something dumb like headbutt the Junkyard Dog. (Harley Race gets a free pass. Harley uses the headbutt. When does Iron Sheik use a freakin' headbutt?) Even if they watch videos without commentary, are they actually paying attention?
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 23, 2012 10:41:06 GMT -5
When a wrestler turns heel all of a sudden he can't win a match without cheating or outside interference. On the flipside, when a heel who can't win without cheating or outside interference turns face & suddenly they can win without cheating.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Mar 23, 2012 12:58:44 GMT -5
This one always bothered me. The ref gets bumped, babyface nails the heel with his finishing move, and then goes for the cover. You hear the commentator yell "he's got him 1-2-3-4-5-6!" First of all, is the babyface that dumb to go for a pinfall with no ref? Secondly, if I'm being pinned and there's no ref to make the count, I'm not going to waste energy trying to kick out when I don't have to!
Talk about dense characters.
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Post by BHB on Mar 23, 2012 13:28:19 GMT -5
- Lack of real heels. People used to HATE these guys. They had to worry about fans after a show when leaving the building. HHH despite my opinions on him was great in this role. He would hit people with sledgehammers, run people over with cars. Etc. This is a big one. People can say how great someone like Dolph Ziggler is (he is awesome in the ring) but he'll never be a believable main eventer until people actually care about his character. Any minor heat he has pretty much comes entirely from Vickie. What does he do that's heelish? A headstand? I haven't liked HHH for years but he was an awesome heel, especially from 99-2001. We need more heels that are just plain bad, vile people, not just arrogant pretty boy jerks.
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Post by Error on Mar 23, 2012 13:40:28 GMT -5
- Lack of real heels. People used to HATE these guys. They had to worry about fans after a show when leaving the building. HHH despite my opinions on him was great in this role. He would hit people with sledgehammers, run people over with cars. Etc. This is a big one. People can say how great someone like Dolph Ziggler is (he is awesome in the ring) but he'll never be a believable main eventer until people actually care about his character. Any minor heat he has pretty much comes entirely from Vickie. What does he do that's heelish? A headstand? I haven't liked HHH for years but he was an awesome heel, especially from 99-2001. We need more heels that are just plain bad, vile people, not just arrogant pretty boy jerks. I agree with that to a degree but there are two big problems in that (at least in WWE). First, you need to have strong faces that people love and that barely exists in WWE right now. Best we have going right now is the Punk/Jericho stuff from the last two weeks with Jericho going after Punk's family for having substance abuse issues and Punk playing it up as getting to him. Second, damn near every time WWE tries to get someone hated, it back fires because of the first problem. Look at Orton in 09. He was kicking Vince in the head, DDTing and kissing Steph and just being a nasty bastard and people were choosing him over Triple H. Move on to Mark Henry in '11. Destroying people left and right and by being a badass character he started getting cheered. In the WWE World of mostly bland faces, anyone showing any sort of character seems to get cheered now.
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 23, 2012 13:49:53 GMT -5
This is a big one. People can say how great someone like Dolph Ziggler is (he is awesome in the ring) but he'll never be a believable main eventer until people actually care about his character. Any minor heat he has pretty much comes entirely from Vickie. What does he do that's heelish? A headstand? I haven't liked HHH for years but he was an awesome heel, especially from 99-2001. We need more heels that are just plain bad, vile people, not just arrogant pretty boy jerks. When someone has to wear a t-shirt that states what they are supposed to be (#heel) they're probably not that good. People can say he wears it to throw it in the fans' faces or whatever, but to me it just means he needs people to know what he's supposed to be. It sucks without real competition and territories that we get stuck with guys who would probably be stuck in indys forever (like Miz, he wouldn't have even made it to jobber status in the 1980s or 1990s, at least Horowitz did something with the back pat or Reno Riggins with his dice tights). It especially sucks for indy wrestlers. They should make a youtube and get on reality TV and they should be golden with WWE. Even if they have a plain look at least it's something that goes over in WWE or TNA.
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