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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 21, 2012 19:06:07 GMT -5
I consider it one of the best pieces of dramatic work the Divas division has had in years. Both women played their roles well. Lol no... This is just silly now. I'm not saying it was Shakespeare by any stretch of the imagination, but in a neglected division where the height of drama has been the meme-inducing "You were a horrible friend!" and Lay-Cool calling Mickie fat and Kelly smelly, can you really say there has been much better? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 19:11:54 GMT -5
Damn. This thread should be inducted into the Wrestlecrap hall of fame. Size matters arguments, "why should I like so and so?", accusations of bias, it's all here. When message boards go wrong... People acting condescending by being "too cool to argue, lol, I mean, really, look at you guys". You're right, the thread DOES have it all. Glad I could be the final piece. I'm down for an argument/discussion, but this thread just reads like a parody of angry wrestling fans. As do a lot of diva threads, particularly AJ ones. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 19:14:03 GMT -5
I really cant find any reason why we should like AJ after this.Why didnt she stand up for herself against Bryan instead of jumping an innocent Natalya? Why did AJ try to get back with him knowing full well hes a jerk? People will defend her and how cute she is and all but all i see is that shes a coward that wont defend herself,that she likes jerks and she doesnt have morales that much (helping Bryan screw over Sheamus before their WM match). It's the "manic pixie dream girl" effect. She's hot, but just intentionally quirky enough to be "attainable", hence, the internet fell in love, and she can do no wrong. She's a middling talent, but "She plays Metal Gear! OMG HAWTZ!!!" saves her from obscurity. Hmmmph. I don't know about that. If I trumpeted about exactly how big of comics fans Shad Gaspard and Melina are, I doubt this board would even notice. And Shelton Benjamin was a giant video games fanatic, but that didn't do him much good, did it? |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 21, 2012 19:14:48 GMT -5
People acting condescending by being "too cool to argue, lol, I mean, really, look at you guys". You're right, the thread DOES have it all. Glad I could be the final piece. I'm down for an argument/discussion, but this thread just reads like a parody of angry wrestling fans. As do a lot of diva threads, particularly AJ ones. Well, no argument there, I suppose. I admit I'm not above it, but some diva arguments do get ridiculous. That said, AJ threads don't get NEARLY as bad as Melina threads used to. |
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Post by Krimzon on Apr 21, 2012 19:17:09 GMT -5
I really cant find any reason why we should like AJ after this.Why didnt she stand up for herself against Bryan instead of jumping an innocent Natalya? Why did AJ try to get back with him knowing full well hes a jerk? People will defend her and how cute she is and all but all i see is that shes a coward that wont defend herself,that she likes jerks and she doesnt have morales that much (helping Bryan screw over Sheamus before their WM match). It's the "manic pixie dream girl" effect. She's hot, but just intentionally quirky enough to be "attainable", hence, the internet fell in love, and she can do no wrong. She's a middling talent, but "She plays Metal Gear! OMG HAWTZ!!!" saves her from obscurity. Or maybe people just like her personality and ability? |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 21, 2012 19:18:59 GMT -5
It's the "manic pixie dream girl" effect. She's hot, but just intentionally quirky enough to be "attainable", hence, the internet fell in love, and she can do no wrong. She's a middling talent, but "She plays Metal Gear! OMG HAWTZ!!!" saves her from obscurity. Hmmmph. I don't know about that. If I trumpeted about exactly how big of comics fans Shad Gaspard and Melina are, I doubt this board would even notice. And Shelton Benjamin was a giant video games fanatic, but that didn't do him much good, did it? True, but Shelton and AJ differ in one VERY major way, do they not? It's called "manic pixie dream GIRL" for a reason. Here's a pretty accurate summation of the phenomenon, using Zooey Deschanel as our "AJ analogue": www.cracked.com/article_19493_4-reasons-zooey-deschanel-can-stop-pretending-shes-dork.html |
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Post by vanboxmeer on Apr 21, 2012 19:22:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't consider it a 'divas' angle when there's no 2 divas feuding. It's clearly a Daniel Bryan angle based on the fact he's the real focus. He gets the PPV and TV matches, top house show billing, television time, advertising, merchandise, crowd reception, and ultimately is where the money is for the company in this storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 19:36:00 GMT -5
Hmmmph. I don't know about that. If I trumpeted about exactly how big of comics fans Shad Gaspard and Melina are, I doubt this board would even notice. And Shelton Benjamin was a giant video games fanatic, but that didn't do him much good, did it? True, but Shelton and AJ differ in one VERY major way, do they not? It's called "manic pixie dream GIRL" for a reason. Here's a pretty accurate summation of the phenomenon, using Zooey Deschanel as our "AJ analogue": www.cracked.com/article_19493_4-reasons-zooey-deschanel-can-stop-pretending-shes-dork.htmlI've never cared about Zooey Deschanel so that article doesn't really strike a chord with me, but I see what you're saying. Guys find a woman cute and accessible and matching them in some kind of subcultural way, and a lot of them will like that woman more, even if there's nothing to be gained from defending her. Of course, I'm the guy who defended Melina night and day (as you mentioned above) but even so, I had my reasons: (A) I have a compulsive sense of pity and preference to things that I think are being unfairly attacked, and each successive attack makes me like them and defend them more with no going back (In other news, this is exactly how the Black Vulture became my favorite animal in the world); (B) Ad hominem attacks on her were being made with patently untrue information, and my compulsiveness possesses me to correct that. If people started attacking AJ as a person, I'd go straight after them bceause I find that to be really offensive behavior. But I just get this vibe that some people are defensive towards AJ on everything. Read what Wolf Hurricane wrote above just a little earlier, and I think that's a pretty good rebuttal that expresses my thoughts exactly. Every excuse under the Moon is being made for this segment, and I still do not fully understand why. |
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Apr 21, 2012 19:36:48 GMT -5
If you don't believe what AJ did to nattie is realistic/believable in any way you have never been in a real fight or seen one for that matter. That same type of situation I have seen a dozen if not more times , size means squat in any fight even more so when one person is in one hell of a bad mood all that adrenaline pretty much numbs physical pain for a bit. And the fact they kept it real short between nattie and AJ made it that much more believable , as they say don't wake a sleeping lion..or giant either way. Um... there aren't any refs in a real fight either. I mean if you're talking about a fight fight, like a street fight or something, AJ would have gotten her ass handed to her, point blank. Being mad is useful for a while, but it doesn't win fights; in fact, it loses them more often than not. Technique wins fights. Again, that's hardly the route you want to go down if you're trying to defend this. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 19:39:49 GMT -5
If you don't believe what AJ did to nattie is realistic/believable in any way you have never been in a real fight or seen one for that matter. That same type of situation I have seen a dozen if not more times , size means squat in any fight even more so when one person is in one hell of a bad mood all that adrenaline pretty much numbs physical pain for a bit. Even when they have almost literally no muscle mass against who they're fighting? I've seen fights where little people aggravate big people. The little guy/girl gets in a few hits, sometimes draws blood, then the big person feels this and they, in turn, end up snapping and beating the everloving shit out of that person. But no, my experiences don't matter, thanks to your All-Encompassing Decree. My mistake! |
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Post by PKO on Apr 21, 2012 19:55:09 GMT -5
Every excuse under the Moon is being made for this segment, and I still do not fully understand why. I don't think at this point that anyones going to convince you. You've got your opinions on the segment, and most people disagree with you. People have tried to explain and haven't swayed you. I think that's how this thread is going to end. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 19:58:59 GMT -5
Every excuse under the Moon is being made for this segment, and I still do not fully understand why. I don't think at this point that anyones going to convince you. You've got your opinions on the segment, and most people disagree with you. People have tried to explain and haven't swayed you. I think that's how this thread is going to end. "Most" on a board that is pretty heavily in favor of AJ, by people who are making this about AJ. It's not about her. It's about a tiny woman who has zero muscle mass attacking a much larger, stronger person head-on and beating them up in a completely one-sided scrap. And the onus to do something better is on the booking team. The results are, naturally, going to be skewed. Ask this to a group of people who are on neither side. I'd be interested in seeing what they have to say about it, because I'm part of that same group and I didn't like it. |
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Post by PKO on Apr 21, 2012 20:01:50 GMT -5
I don't think at this point that anyones going to convince you. You've got your opinions on the segment, and most people disagree with you. People have tried to explain and haven't swayed you. I think that's how this thread is going to end. "Most" on a board that is pretty heavily in favor of AJ, by people who are making this about AJ. It's not about her. It's about a tiny woman who has zero muscle mass attacking a much larger, stronger person head-on and beating them up in a completely one-sided scrap. And the onus to do something better is on the booking team. The results are, naturally, going to be skewed. Ask this to a group of people who are on neither side. I'd be interested in seeing what they have to say about it, because I'm part of that same group and I didn't like it. If it was a different woman of AJ's size doing it to a different woman of Natalya's size I would have said exactly the same thing I have done here. I imagine several others would too. |
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Post by Krimzon on Apr 21, 2012 20:07:09 GMT -5
What's hard to understand about this? A highly emotional WRESTLER got the better of a slightly larger WRESTLER for 30 seconds, tops. Nattie was knocked loopy by a shot she didn't see coming. AJ followed it up with a shot to the back of Natalya's head that sent her into the corner. AJ then unleashed 3 quick flurries of punches with a kick or two. All of that lasted roughly 30 seconds with a few brief breaks inbetween.
How is this an issue?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 20:07:48 GMT -5
"Most" on a board that is pretty heavily in favor of AJ, by people who are making this about AJ. It's not about her. It's about a tiny woman who has zero muscle mass attacking a much larger, stronger person head-on and beating them up in a completely one-sided scrap. And the onus to do something better is on the booking team. The results are, naturally, going to be skewed. Ask this to a group of people who are on neither side. I'd be interested in seeing what they have to say about it, because I'm part of that same group and I didn't like it. If it was a different woman of AJ's size doing it to a different woman of Natalya's size I would have said exactly the same thing I have done here. I imagine several others would too. Judging by how fast this turned into a "AJ vs _____" thread, I would say that any possibility of non-AJ neutrality in this thread--from either side--is practically impossible. It has stained and influenced this thread, and therefore, cannot be removed from this thread's continuity and context. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 20:09:11 GMT -5
Three minute segment.... six page philosophical argument.
For me personally, I like AJ and I like Natalya. I don't like either of them nearly as much as the rest of the internet, but I enjoy them nevertheless. I don't see what the big deal was. She was in a rage-like trance and Natalya felt bad for her. It's not like they had AJ dominate her or anything.... Nattie just covered up in the corner and didn't fight back to AJ's manic punchslaps.
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Post by PKO on Apr 21, 2012 20:09:21 GMT -5
Well, Krimzon just summed the segment up absolutely perfectly.
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Post by Krimzon on Apr 21, 2012 20:10:09 GMT -5
If it was a different woman of AJ's size doing it to a different woman of Natalya's size I would have said exactly the same thing I have done here. I imagine several others would too. Judging by how fast this turned into a "AJ vs _____" thread, I would say that any possibility of non-AJ neutrality in this thread--from either side--is practically impossible. It has stained and influenced this thread, and therefore, cannot be removed from this thread's continuity and context. A thread about AJ turned into a discussion about AJ? I, for one, am SHOCKED. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 20:17:35 GMT -5
Judging by how fast this turned into a "AJ vs _____" thread, I would say that any possibility of non-AJ neutrality in this thread--from either side--is practically impossible. It has stained and influenced this thread, and therefore, cannot be removed from this thread's continuity and context. A thread about AJ turned into a discussion about AJ? I, for one, am SHOCKED. It's not about AJ. It's not about Nattie. They were the characters in the match, but again, it's about how this was booked. |
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Post by Dat Dude on Apr 21, 2012 20:23:52 GMT -5
I still think from a kayfabe standpoint that WWE protected Nattie (in the whole caught off guard, refusing to fight back thing). What I think they were trying to portray, was that if it were an other circumstance Nattie would have dominated AJ. Folks would be right to be skeptical of that theory due to the history of treatment of Natalya, but I just don't think that based on the length of the segment and the commentary that they were trying to convey that AJ was a superior wrestler/fighter than her (unlike what they did with Kelly).
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