Steveweiser
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Post by Steveweiser on Apr 30, 2012 5:09:27 GMT -5
So that happened at Extreme Rules... yes, WWE really had John Cena beat Brock Lesnar, albeit in one of the more believable and compelling PPV main events in years. After the match, Cena said that he's banged up and he'll be going away for a while, so don't expect to see him on RAW tonight.
As for Lesnar, will he have the same aura now he's lost his first match back? John Laurinaitis will try and rehab him somehow, but there's a major chink in Brock's armour... but how will he react tonight in Dayton?
CM Punk is still the WWE Champion after an amazing Chicago Street Fight with Chris Jericho that had it all, even Punk's sister slapping Jericho. Surely that's it for Jericho as Punk's challenger, but who knows...
We have a new Divas Champion... an even newer one than the new one crowned on RAW last week. At Extreme Rules, Layla made her big return, and defeated... well... a Bella, goodness knows which one, to win the title. However, the match was marred with everyone wanting Kharma, not helped by Eve Torres' promo before the match. It's meant to be the Bellas' farewell tonight, will Kharma return tonight to send them out of the door?
In other stuff, Orton saw off Kane, Brodus is still the Funkasaurus, The Miz is a big fat loser, and we're supposedly getting Triple H on the show tonight. Watch, everyone... the Brock stuff will be interesting.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 30, 2012 5:32:09 GMT -5
And Abraham Washington wants an answer from the Tag Team Champions, if anyone noticed.
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Post by kingbookermark on Apr 30, 2012 6:00:18 GMT -5
Lol harsh title when I thought extreme rules was a step in the right direction for the 'E
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Post by Steveweiser on Apr 30, 2012 6:08:51 GMT -5
Not really - part of the allure of Brock's return was that he'd destroy everyone before WrestleMania, and now he's been beaten first time out. Major chink in his promotional value.
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Post by memphis25 on Apr 30, 2012 6:13:12 GMT -5
Not really - part of the allure of Brock's return was that he'd destroy everyone before WrestleMania, and now he's been beaten first time out. Major chink in his promotional value. Better watch what you say since apparently tons of people here think that was good booking and having Brock lose didn't cost WWE a dime long term. |
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Post by kingbookermark on Apr 30, 2012 6:13:39 GMT -5
Seems like someone didn't see the match... or at least hates Cena so much that he is blind to how much of a beast Brock Lesnar was. Brock was making my friends who are no normal marks cringe at what was going on.
Not to mention several people in the Extreme Rules Thread.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 30, 2012 6:21:51 GMT -5
I like to point out Brock lost his first UFC fight with pretty much one move used on him. Didn't kill his box office appeal.
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Post by memphis25 on Apr 30, 2012 6:23:05 GMT -5
Wins and losses actually matter WWE has programed many fans into thinking that they don't but they really do when it comes to making money.
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Post by kingbookermark on Apr 30, 2012 6:35:56 GMT -5
Wins and losses actually matter WWE has programed many fans into thinking that they don't but they really do when it comes to making money. Umm what? Shawn for the better part of his final run jobbed to people in one on one matches... and still they made money. I think you're mistaken sir. That is all. You may have your opinion. I yield on trying to make you change it. We are all FAN's here. Think what you like. |
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Post by memphis25 on Apr 30, 2012 6:43:12 GMT -5
I like to point out Brock lost his first UFC fight with pretty much one move used on him. Didn't kill his box office appeal. Actually it did hurt it as his first show he was on did 600K with a weak Interim Heavyweight title match as the main event his second show did just 25K more with GSP on top defending his title. Brock winning is what got him over! That 625K went to a million plus until he lost again then dropped to 800K for his last UFC fight. When he looked bad vs Carwin it caused a 110K drop into the Velasquez fight and then he fell 250K to the Overeem fight despite major advertising. |
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Post by memphis25 on Apr 30, 2012 6:48:07 GMT -5
Umm what? Shawn for the better part of his final run jobbed to people in one on one matches... and still they made money. I think you're mistaken sir. That is all. You may have your opinion. I yield on trying to make you change it. We are all FAN's here. Think what you like. Flair and the Undertaker matches were his biggest matches and they all 3 were built up on who won or loss. |
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Post by Cronant on Apr 30, 2012 6:50:26 GMT -5
If one loss kills his value as much as people here think then he's not really a draw is he? Because every other top wrestler lost and kept their value.
Thinking he was going to never lose until Mania was a huge leap in logic. An unrealistic one at that. WWE wasn't going to give him that again after last time.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Apr 30, 2012 6:51:31 GMT -5
Bias in the thread title? what world do we live in where we can't even trust the Raw thread starters to remain neutral?
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Post by kingbookermark on Apr 30, 2012 6:52:40 GMT -5
Umm what? Shawn for the better part of his final run jobbed to people in one on one matches... and still they made money. I think you're mistaken sir. That is all. You may have your opinion. I yield on trying to make you change it. We are all FAN's here. Think what you like. Flair and the Undertaker matches were his biggest matches and they all 3 were built up on who won or loss. Not going to jump into another argument with you. I disagree with this too but I'm not in the mood to be baited anymore which is your M.O. in my opinion. So I will let you keep your opinions which I vehemently disagree with. |
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Post by memphis25 on Apr 30, 2012 7:01:49 GMT -5
If one loss kills his value as much as people here think then he's not really a draw is he? Because every other top wrestler lost and kept their value.. People say this a lot and its totally wrong. He will still draw but not as much as one as if they kept him protected. If they beat the Rock do you think mania would have been as successful? This is the era of 50=50 booking and buyrates are at an all time low, so its clear its people don't consider these guys as big of stars. Takers streak is one the biggest matches of the year if he lost people wouldn't care about his mania matches nowhere near as much about them. |
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Post by memphis25 on Apr 30, 2012 7:03:55 GMT -5
Not going to jump into another argument with you. I disagree with this too but I'm not in the mood to be baited anymore which is your M.O. in my opinion. So I will let you keep your opinions which I vehemently disagree with. You can disagree all you want but WWE poor numbers speak for themselves. |
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Post by Cronant on Apr 30, 2012 7:04:35 GMT -5
If one loss kills his value as much as people here think then he's not really a draw is he? Because every other top wrestler lost and kept their value.. People say this a lot and its totally wrong. He will still draw but not as much as one as if they kept him protected. If they beat the Rock do you think mania would have been as successful? He was super protected. And if he's working every month, he's going to lose. That simple. |
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Post by kingbookermark on Apr 30, 2012 7:10:43 GMT -5
If one loss kills his value as much as people here think then he's not really a draw is he? Because every other top wrestler lost and kept their value.. People say this a lot and its totally wrong. He will still draw but not as much as one as if they kept him protected. If they beat the Rock do you think mania would have been as successful? This is the era of 50=50 booking and buyrates are at an all time low, so its clear its people don't consider these guys as big of stars. Takers streak is one the biggest matches of the year if he lost people wouldn't care about his mania matches nowhere near as much about them. True about the Streak & the Rock. Fair points there but, a loss for Brock in a WWE ring in a fluke, I don't believe will have that effect on him simply because he gets to brag about taking out Cena even though he lost. Buyrates for Mania this year were up, because of Cena/Rock & a stellar card, higher than it has ever been. I am not behind you there. If the buys went up for Extreme Rules that is a success in their eyes, which we shall see. Brock however is a hot property still in my opinion... but time will tell. I am willing to wait and see. Now I am through... just trying to see if I can get a homie to see two sides to the coin. If not, continue as before I will just let it be like the song say. |
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Post by memphis25 on Apr 30, 2012 7:11:37 GMT -5
He was super protected. And if he's working every month, he's going to lose. That simple. He lost is doesn't matter if he took most of the match at the end of the night he was on his back and bleeding. He's only going to work a handful of matches he shouldn't lost until the big money match. And as poor for business as it was to lose before Mania at least have Cena lose this one and go away and then come back for revenge and have some heat. The top babyface beat the big bad heel bully and left him in a pool of his own blood. Thats how stories end not begin. |
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Post by Steveweiser on Apr 30, 2012 7:14:41 GMT -5
The big thing is that at least one major rematch is dead - why would people care about Cena coming for revenge when he already beat the guy? Remember the match with Orton and Cena, I think at Breaking Point, where Orton destroyed Cena all match long, and even tortured him, and then Cena got one move and then the STF, and Orton tapped. Reminded me so much of last night. OK, so Brock wasn't destroyed over a length of time, but the first bit of offence done on him, albeit with a chain, beat him. That's a bit embarrassing in my book.
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