Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Apr 30, 2012 7:16:08 GMT -5
I disagree. If anything, Cena/Brock could be bigger. Especially if Brock gets pissed and destroys things and Cena has to come do it again.
Its all perspective.
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Post by breakdownthewalls on Apr 30, 2012 7:18:25 GMT -5
Brock lost - but he beat Cena like nobody has ever.
And now Cena's taking time off.
So Brock, who just basically dominated the top guy in the WWE, is left alone on Raw. And he's gonna be PISSED about losing. Seems like there's going to be some serious consequences for anybody in Lesnar's way.
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Post by kingbookermark on Apr 30, 2012 7:23:01 GMT -5
The big thing is that at least one major rematch is dead - why would people care about Cena coming for revenge when he already beat the guy? Remember the match with Orton and Cena, I think at Breaking Point, where Orton destroyed Cena all match long, and even tortured him, and then Cena got one move and then the STF, and Orton tapped. Reminded me so much of last night. OK, so Brock wasn't destroyed over a length of time, but the first bit of offence done on him, albeit with a chain, beat him. That's a bit embarrassing in my book. You are welcome to that opinion sir. I do disagree that is all. |
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Post by memphis25 on Apr 30, 2012 7:23:53 GMT -5
True about the Streak & the Rock. Fair points there but, a loss for Brock in a WWE ring in a fluke, I don't believe will have that effect on him simply because he gets to brag about taking out Cena even though he lost. Buyrates for Mania this year were up, because of Cena/Rock & a stellar card, higher than it has ever been. I am not behind you there. If the buys went up for Extreme Rules that is a success in their eyes, which we shall see. Brock however is a hot property still in my opinion... but time will tell. I am willing to wait and see. Now I am through... just trying to see if I can get a homie to see two sides to the coin. If not, continue as before I will just let it be like the song say. Brock loss in the middle of the ring and was left bleeding. It wasn't like he rolled him up out of the blue with a flash pin. Mania was up and the Rock was this year main attraction and guess what he didn't go out and lose any matches. And guess what the co-main was based off of a guys winning streak and the 3rd biggest match was who was the best in the world. |
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Post by memphis25 on Apr 30, 2012 7:25:52 GMT -5
I disagree. If anything, Cena/Brock could be bigger. Especially if Brock gets pissed and destroys things and Cena has to come do it again. Its all perspective. He beat him once where is the drama to do it again. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 30, 2012 7:26:24 GMT -5
Aren't we supposed to be talking about Raw in this topic, not last night?
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Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Apr 30, 2012 7:27:44 GMT -5
I disagree. If anything, Cena/Brock could be bigger. Especially if Brock gets pissed and destroys things and Cena has to come do it again. Its all perspective. He beat him once where is the drama to do it again. When Lesnar destroys everyone for a while, who are they going to see take him down? The guy who last beat him who isn't around. Like I said, its perspective. There is no one way answer. You can build something great off any result. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 30, 2012 7:27:54 GMT -5
I will say that I love, even in a predetermined sport, Lesnar's STILL a choke artist.
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Post by kingbookermark on Apr 30, 2012 7:28:05 GMT -5
*shrug* Okay memphis25 man. I tried. When we see the buys for the next Brock PPV - Over The Limit, we will discuss again. How about that? Deal?
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Post by memphis25 on Apr 30, 2012 7:29:52 GMT -5
*shrug* Okay memphis25 man. I tried. When we see the buys for the next Brock PPV - Over The Limit, we will discuss again. How about that? Deal? Fine with me |
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Post by kingbookermark on Apr 30, 2012 7:33:13 GMT -5
Deal memphis25 man. Good sparring with you. It probably would be more fun in person. Threads are impersonal. Easy to get upset at when you feel like you are in the unpopular opinion... which I have been in before too. I need to sleep now however.
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Post by memphis25 on Apr 30, 2012 7:37:12 GMT -5
When Lesnar destroys everyone for a while, who are they going to see take him down? The guy who last beat him who isn't around. Like I said, its perspective. There is no one way answer. You can build something great off any result. The first loss is the most important especially for a guy coming back in bigger than the WWE. People want to see the "The Irresistible Force vs The Immovable Object" and those are the matches that are money. Brock is just another guy you can have him kill people but he will never get his full shine back. |
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Post by kingbookermark on Apr 30, 2012 7:42:53 GMT -5
Aren't we supposed to be talking about Raw in this topic, not last night? Our thread starter was upset by the extreme rules main event result & decided to use that in his opening remarks to make Raw not look like a show we should be excited about. I took offense because I disagree. I think we've all been cordial over something people disagree about on the forums since the ppv so it melted over here. I am psyched for Raw cause I loved the PPV & the ending to Brock/Cena. I want to see Johnny Ace's reaction/Trips reaction & especially Brock going wild over his loss but win since Cena is gone for now. Also A.W. recruiting has been fun. I want a new stable so bad. Where does Jericho go from here!? |
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Post by dav on Apr 30, 2012 8:04:24 GMT -5
I disagree. If anything, Cena/Brock could be bigger. Especially if Brock gets pissed and destroys things and Cena has to come do it again. Its all perspective. He beat him once where is the drama to do it again. Because it was a fluke win and nothing more. Add a stipulation to the next match along with Lesnar actually taking it seriously and you've got the drama back again. It's that easy. |
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Post by joebob27 on Apr 30, 2012 8:05:28 GMT -5
I disagree. If anything, Cena/Brock could be bigger. Especially if Brock gets pissed and destroys things and Cena has to come do it again. Its all perspective. He already did it. LOL. The booking is totally out of whack. Heel should win this match to build him up, face should win the blowoff. Now that we've established the face won the first match, and he HAS to win the blowoff, where do you go? If they didn't want Cena to lose they should have done a non-finish. |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 30, 2012 8:10:19 GMT -5
The big thing is that at least one major rematch is dead - why would people care about Cena coming for revenge when he already beat the guy? Remember the match with Orton and Cena, I think at Breaking Point, where Orton destroyed Cena all match long, and even tortured him, and then Cena got one move and then the STF, and Orton tapped. Reminded me so much of last night. OK, so Brock wasn't destroyed over a length of time, but the first bit of offence done on him, albeit with a chain, beat him. That's a bit embarrassing in my book. Cena might not want revenge but Brock might. Could be that they will show his 'new focus' after this loss and have him destroy a succession of people. Then when Cena comes back we have just as exciting a rematch but not for the reasons we all expected. Also if Brock is going to Wrestlemania, which is highly likely, it makes more sense to have him beat Cena in the build up to that match. If Lesnar had won last night and then lost just before his WM feud it would then THAT would have been bad booking. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 30, 2012 8:11:59 GMT -5
The big thing is that at least one major rematch is dead - why would people care about Cena coming for revenge when he already beat the guy? Remember the match with Orton and Cena, I think at Breaking Point, where Orton destroyed Cena all match long, and even tortured him, and then Cena got one move and then the STF, and Orton tapped. Reminded me so much of last night. OK, so Brock wasn't destroyed over a length of time, but the first bit of offence done on him, albeit with a chain, beat him. That's a bit embarrassing in my book. Cena might not want revenge but Brock might. Could be that they will show his 'new focus' after this loss and have him destroy a succession of people. Then when Cena comes back we have just as exciting a rematch but not for the reasons we all expected. Also if Brock is going to Wrestlemania, which is highly likely, it makes more sense to have him beat Cena in the build up to that match. If Lesnar had won last night and then lost just before his WM feud it would then THAT would have been bad booking. Except...if an unmotivated, mostly broken Cena can beat Brock after getting two moves in, why in god's name should we expect Brock to beat a healthy, well rested Cena? |
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Post by memphis25 on Apr 30, 2012 8:14:32 GMT -5
Because it was a fluke win and nothing more. Add a stipulation to the next match along with Lesnar actually taking it seriously and you've got the drama back again. It's that easy. Don't see it as a fluke it was an extreme rules match and Cena hit him with a chain and busted him open and then hit his move on the steps for a 1-2-3 dead in the center. If it was actually that easy wouldn't WWE be doing stellar business? |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 30, 2012 8:14:32 GMT -5
I disagree. If anything, Cena/Brock could be bigger. Especially if Brock gets pissed and destroys things and Cena has to come do it again. Its all perspective. He already did it. LOL. The booking is totally out of whack. Heel should win this match to build him up, face should win the blowoff. Now that we've established the face won the first match, and he HAS to win the blowoff, where do you go? If they didn't want Cena to lose they should have done a non-finish. Here's a theory; Cena is out. A newly focused Brock goes on a rampage for a few months. At some point Cena comes back to beat the rampaging Lesnar. They fight - Lesnar wins. Lesnar looks unstoppable going into Wrestlemania. Presumably against The Rock. John Cena challenges Undertaker at Wrestlemania desperate to get himself a massive win. That would work for me. |
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 30, 2012 8:15:24 GMT -5
The loss won't hurt Brock if they have Brock go on about how he never cared about the result of the match, and say his only goal was to take Cena out, which he did. If you show that he's a guy who doesn't desperately need a win to achieve what he wants, then winning the match was never the point and the loss matters less.
Cena winning makes any rematch lose it's luster. Oh they could still do it, but when the villain has gotten their comeuppance and lost even after beating the hell out of the hero, it's not going to be as intriguing to see the hero come back, rested and refocused, against the same rampaging monster. Seeing the same thing again doesn't often have the same intrigue as seeing it the first time.
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