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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jul 16, 2011 17:13:03 GMT -5
I think that is different times with this ''update things''
For example, we had in the old days of the arcades, the publishers updating their games constantly, the big reason because they knew that they could win more money from this way, and users didn't cared, you still had to pay your quarters that you will still use otherwise, but now in a updated version, which was really.
Now, fighting games had a big revival on western markets sans to SF iv, we had seen lots of games being updated constantly, the problem is that now we're paying for the price of those games instead of the arcade operators.
Now, Capcom has got all the flak because they are the only fighting game company who updates their games with a public that had lots of casuals fans to fighting games. (Blazblue has do the same, but their public is way more niche and hardcorewho appreciates the updates on their games)
Now, error has made tons of errors with both games, with SF IV, they had promised us for 2 times that ''this version of SF IV will be the last one'' first with SSF IV, and later with AE. Now, they had told us that maybe, a new update will be released soon.
And then, with MVC3, we had the problems that they stopped with all the promised DLC for the game, plus than the game feels really poor if you are not a tournament player (and hell, if you are a tournament player, you will maybe hate the horrible netcode that the game has)
So now, capcom is now dealing with the risk to burn out their fanbase, the only way that this could work, if they gave us everything for free in this sequel (outfits, characters, story mode, and other things that MK gave creating a good standard to please more casual fans)
But this capcom, expect to pay to open for the sound test option
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Post by Johnny Truant on Jul 16, 2011 17:28:30 GMT -5
Now, they had told us that maybe, a new update will be released soon. [citation needed] I haven't seen that anywhere.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jul 16, 2011 17:34:46 GMT -5
Now, they had told us that maybe, a new update will be released soon. [citation needed] I haven't seen that anywhere. Special emphasis in the ''maybe''
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Post by Krimzon on Jul 16, 2011 17:37:46 GMT -5
Nobody really complained about SSFIV because nobody felt hosed by SFIV. I've come across people with legit buyer's remorse regarding MvC3, myself included. It just felt hollow & half-assed from the start, unlike SFIV. Now they expect me to plop down another $40 to experience that empty feeling again? No. I'm not basically paying $100 for a single game. Unless they add game modes with substance, it's just going to be the same game with 12 extra characters to get bored with. And if they do add game modes, I'm going to be even more pissed off that I wasted $60 on the original. They should've given us all this shit from jump street! Instead, they release an incomplete game just to release a "better" version later on, all in the name of soaking gamers for every cent they're worth. I wouldn't be shocked if UMvC3 sold even worse because they pissed off gamers with the 1st version.
Capcom can go screw.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jul 16, 2011 17:46:13 GMT -5
Eh honestly, I can't see how SF IV feels more complete than MVC3 for a casual point of view. Both had trials, training, versus,titles, icons, etc, the only thing that SSF IV has are those minigames, which are so insignificant that I really doubt that somebody care for them, the only point where SSF IV blows MVC3, is with the online interface.
The rest, is all from the DLC, but those are not considered within the disc even though they are
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Jul 16, 2011 18:03:15 GMT -5
I'll admit I bought MvC3 on name alone. I LOVE the Vs. series. With this new update...I'm waiting. If they want me to cough up for this, they need to give me a REALLY good reason.
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Post by Krimzon on Jul 16, 2011 18:04:00 GMT -5
Granted SFIV didn't have many modes, but it still felt complete & finished. DLC added to an existing game. It honestly feels like something key is missing from MvC3. Its DLC felt like we were paying to finish a game the developers threw together.
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Post by Johnny Truant on Jul 16, 2011 18:16:03 GMT -5
[citation needed] I haven't seen that anywhere. Special emphasis in the ''maybe'' DAAAAAAMMIT
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Post by rogers67 on Jul 16, 2011 18:45:58 GMT -5
Dear Capcom,
Thank you, rogers
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jul 16, 2011 18:54:09 GMT -5
Glad I was waiting for this one to drop in price. Now I gets even more characters.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 16, 2011 21:40:00 GMT -5
Y'know, I'd probably be way more interested if it was just a Capcom-made Marvel fighting game. Most of Capcom's characters kinda suck when you get past Mega Man. They still could put some more characters from games like Darkstalkers and Rival Schools in. I cant believe Demitri hasnt made it into a MvC game by now. Yeah, Kyosuke, Batsu, Hinata would be nice to see. Maybe someone random like Edge. Demitri getting in would be awesome, or hell, perhaps someone who never makes it into these kinds of things like Talbain. I want to see a freaking werewolf with nunchaku in 3D!
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Post by Cyno on Jul 16, 2011 22:28:37 GMT -5
I didn't buy MvC3 though I did play it a bunch at friends' house. Now I don't feel so bad about not buying it. I'll probably buy this new one though. Though I can't blame them for not just releasing the 12 new characters as DLC. People keep complaining about that, but at $5 a pop, the DLC ends up being more expensive than the supposed price point of this update. Now the argument for this would be "But with DLC you get to pick and choose what characters you want." But would you really want anything short of a full cast? I know I sure as hell wouldn't.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 16, 2011 22:38:56 GMT -5
Getting Rival Schools characters is apparently hampered due to Capcom not owning the rights to the characters or something.
As for Demitri, I think the main reason he doesn't get in (besides being a male rather than a scantily clad female) is because his Midnight Bliss attack could require a lot more work for animators. At the very least, you have to design new forms for everyone just for that attack. I could imagine it'd just be easier to not have him on a game with a large roster.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 16, 2011 22:39:39 GMT -5
I didn't buy MvC3 though I did play it a bunch at friends' house. Now I don't feel so bad about not buying it. I'll probably buy this new one though. Though I can't blame them for not just releasing the 12 new characters as DLC. People keep complaining about that, but at $5 a pop, the DLC ends up being more expensive than the supposed price point of this update. Now the argument for this would be "But with DLC you get to pick and choose what characters you want." But would you really want anything short of a full cast? I know I sure as hell wouldn't. If said full cast included Iceman in his full non-chip damage taking while blocking bullshit glory, then yes, yes I would rather pick and choose which characters to have.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 16, 2011 22:41:34 GMT -5
Getting Rival Schools characters is apparently hampered due to Capcom not owning the rights to the characters or something. As for Demitri, I think the main reason he doesn't get in (besides being a male rather than a scantily clad female) is because his Midnight Bliss attack could require a lot more work for animators. At the very least, you have to design new forms for everyone just for that attack. I could imagine it'd just be easier to not have him on a game with a large roster. And thus why I think they should've just went with sprites again. Now I don't mean half ass it like MvC2, I definitely mean use updated sprites, but still use sprites. Much less work. Using 3D character models only gives them more work.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2011 22:54:37 GMT -5
Anyone else half-expecting them to change Dante into his redesigned look?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 16, 2011 22:56:18 GMT -5
Getting Rival Schools characters is apparently hampered due to Capcom not owning the rights to the characters or something. As for Demitri, I think the main reason he doesn't get in (besides being a male rather than a scantily clad female) is because his Midnight Bliss attack could require a lot more work for animators. At the very least, you have to design new forms for everyone just for that attack. I could imagine it'd just be easier to not have him on a game with a large roster. And thus why I think they should've just went with sprites again. Now I don't mean half ass it like MvC2, I definitely mean use updated sprites, but still use sprites. Much less work. Using 3D character models only gives them more work..... I don't know about that. Quality sprites can take a LOT of work...
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jul 16, 2011 22:56:58 GMT -5
I don't know which takes more time, but doing an sprite is NOT easy, at least ones that will look good today for todays standard, I mean, we had SNKP which went to hell to create 31 sprites.
This will bot be as easy as ''let's create 52 sprites just like that''
Plus, there's this weird northamerican mentality which believe that 2d = XBLA or SNES game, so from an economical point of view I don't know how worthy will be for capcom, making SF IV 3d was a wise decision from a business point of view
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Post by Malcolm on Jul 16, 2011 23:27:45 GMT -5
Getting Rival Schools characters is apparently hampered due to Capcom not owning the rights to the characters or something. As for Demitri, I think the main reason he doesn't get in (besides being a male rather than a scantily clad female) is because his Midnight Bliss attack could require a lot more work for animators. At the very least, you have to design new forms for everyone just for that attack. I could imagine it'd just be easier to not have him on a game with a large roster. Couldn't they just give him a new move or something to replace his Midnight Bliss?
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Post by Dub H on Jul 16, 2011 23:29:53 GMT -5
Getting Rival Schools characters is apparently hampered due to Capcom not owning the rights to the characters or something. As for Demitri, I think the main reason he doesn't get in (besides being a male rather than a scantily clad female) is because his Midnight Bliss attack could require a lot more work for animators. At the very least, you have to design new forms for everyone just for that attack. I could imagine it'd just be easier to not have him on a game with a large roster. Couldn't they just give him a new move or something to replace his Midnight Bliss? i rememebr just these days i discussed with myself,using these two arguments are you guys part of my mind?
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