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Post by Lancers on Apr 12, 2011 14:46:44 GMT -5
I'm thinking the initial tweet was more going after the WWE turning itself into a wrestling company that specializes in not wanting to being perceived as a wrestling company.
Namedropping guys from his generation as men who didn't need no stinkin' doctors' advice is the thing that makes me shake my head. This whole gladiator mentality some of these wrestlers have is part of the problem. They've programmed themselves into thinking that continuing to wrestle when you're working with fractured bones and damaged organs is commendable and should be applauded. But then you realize that most of these guys who played that game of roulette are now either dealing with significant health issues for the remainder of their lives or dead.
I understand that in any sport you deal with nagging injuries. But suffering a ligament sprain or plantar fascitis is one thing, jumping off the top rope and falling on your already broken neck is just flat out stupid.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 12, 2011 14:48:44 GMT -5
Hogan I think made a few mis steps in comments, I don't think he meant anything negative.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2011 15:23:37 GMT -5
I think the problem with Hogan's tweet was it was made into two seperate posts. So people, myself included, read only the first part ("if any of the guys like me,Flair,Hardy,Andre,AA,Blanchard,orndoff,Henning would have listened to doctors we would have quit15yrsago") and thought that Hogan was taking a shot at Edge using asinine reasoning.
The next part of the quote ("but I don't know Edges working environment because they are a media company not a wrestling company") seems to imply that Hogan thinks it was the WWE forcing Edge to retire rather than Edge deciding himself. Which explains his later tweets saying Edge is hard to hold down and things like that. So, my interpretation, Hogan is grouping Edge with all the guys who worked through pain (himself, Flair, Orndorff, etc), but feels the "media company" made the decision and not the wrestler. Or maybe I'm reading that wrong.
Basically, I don't think Hogan meant any malice behind it, but it was definitely bad timing and unnecessary. Or at the least very confusing to the reader if his intentions were misread.
No defending Hogan on this one though. As I said in a previous thread, Edge idolized the man and name dropped him twice. If I was in Edge's position, and I interpreted the Tweets the way most people did, I'd be hurt by it. Just say "good luck Edge" and move on. This thread doesn't take place in that scenario.
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Post by froggyfrog on Apr 12, 2011 15:29:31 GMT -5
Wow what a douchebag
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Post by Cavs for Mavs Mafia on Apr 12, 2011 15:30:09 GMT -5
I came in here thinking there would be a huge thread ripping on Hogan but I guess Hogan being an idiot barely qualifies as news anymore.
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 12, 2011 15:37:16 GMT -5
I don't see how it makes him an asshole, more like he's just got the old mindset of never stopping or anything, which a lot of guys do.
And also, I really don't think it's too outrageous to think something career ending would stop someone from eventually going back. Hell, Sid, anyone?
*waits to be skewed by everyone for "defending" this*
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Post by Square on Apr 12, 2011 15:49:08 GMT -5
Hogan has no place in wrestling anymore. His mindset is outdated and he is a dangerous influence to younger talent. Get his orange ass into a retirement home.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 12, 2011 15:52:06 GMT -5
I don't see how it makes him an asshole, more like he's just got the old mindset of never stopping or anything, which a lot of guys do. And also, I really don't think it's too outrageous to think something career ending would stop someone from eventually going back. Hell, Sid, anyone? *waits to be skewed by everyone for "defending" this* It is outrageous to use guys like Hennig (Hogan couldnt even spell his name correctly), Orndorff, Blanchard, Andre, or AA as examples. * AA retired because of a neck injury * Blanchard and Orndorff are not the same men and are both royally screwed * Hennig and Andre are both dead. One died because of the overdose of stuff that for Hennig allowed him to keep going. In the end, Hogan tried to make it all about himself like he always does instead of allowing a man to have their moment. That is Hogan's M.O. and that is we are justified in hating the man.
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Post by gnr123 on Apr 12, 2011 15:54:53 GMT -5
Hogan has no place in wrestling anymore. His mindset is outdated and he is a dangerous influence to younger talent. Get his orange ass into a retirement home. He's already in a retirement home, it's called TNA. What they need to do is get his roided ass of of my television. I swear, every time I watch a Hogan match or promo nowaday's, I watch it with a bitter distain for the guy.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 12, 2011 16:03:26 GMT -5
Here's something I posted in the WWE Edge thread, I think it's relevant here:
I think the generation we've been watching for the past decade or so are a group that isn't gonna hang on too long in the business. There's definitely passion there, but this is the first generation where most seem to have an exit strategy, or a backup plan. Pretty much everyone on the roster has a post secondart education now.
Wrestling isn't the only thing these guys know now, so I think in the future we'll see more guys like JBL, Edge and HBK (even tho Edge wanted to go a little while longer, I'm gonna count him) and less guys like Flair, Hogan, etc. who have to still work
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Apr 12, 2011 16:17:41 GMT -5
I think the problem with Hogan's tweet was it was made into two seperate posts. So people, myself included, read only the first part ("if any of the guys like me,Flair,Hardy,Andre,AA,Blanchard,orndoff,Henning would have listened to doctors we would have quit15yrsago") and thought that Hogan was taking a shot at Edge using asinine reasoning. The next part of the quote ("but I don't know Edges working environment because they are a media company not a wrestling company") seems to imply that Hogan thinks it was the WWE forcing Edge to retire rather than Edge deciding himself. Which explains his later tweets saying Edge is hard to hold down and things like that. So, my interpretation, Hogan is grouping Edge with all the guys who worked through pain (himself, Flair, Orndorff, etc), but feels the "media company" made the decision and not the wrestler. Or maybe I'm reading that wrong. Basically, I don't think Hogan meant any malice behind it, but it was definitely bad timing and unnecessary. Or at the least very confusing to the reader if his intentions were misread. No defending Hogan on this one though. As I said in a previous thread, Edge idolized the man and name dropped him twice. If I was in Edge's position, and I interpreted the Tweets the way most people did, I'd be hurt by it. Just say "good luck Edge" and move on. This thread doesn't take place in that scenario. This
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Post by Blindkarevik on Apr 12, 2011 16:32:41 GMT -5
When I first read it, I took it as Hogan saying, "If we had listened to our doctors, we wouldn't be in such bad shape right now."
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Post by Square on Apr 12, 2011 16:39:42 GMT -5
When I first read it, I took it as Hogan saying, "If we had listened to our doctors, we wouldn't be in such bad shape right now." "I would be able to walk not in agony if I listened brother, but then brother the New World Order would never have happened and Hollywood Hulk Hogan wouldn't have ruled the world, BROTHER!"
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 12, 2011 16:44:02 GMT -5
When I first read it, I took it as Hogan saying, "If we had listened to our doctors, we wouldn't be in such bad shape right now." "I would be able to walk not in agony if I listened brother, but then brother the New World Order would never have happened and Hollywood Hulk Hogan wouldn't have ruled the world, BROTHER!" Which may have been for the best since Hogan would not have been known for helping to kill WCW and wouldnt be seen as a rotten apple.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Apr 12, 2011 16:48:15 GMT -5
Great advice, if he was a real man he'd ignore doctors and become a delusional, bald near cripple with ugly kids.
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 12, 2011 16:48:45 GMT -5
I don't see how it makes him an asshole, more like he's just got the old mindset of never stopping or anything, which a lot of guys do. And also, I really don't think it's too outrageous to think something career ending would stop someone from eventually going back. Hell, Sid, anyone? *waits to be skewed by everyone for "defending" this* It is outrageous to use guys like Hennig (Hogan couldnt even spell his name correctly), Orndorff, Blanchard, Andre, or AA as examples. * AA retired because of a neck injury * Blanchard and Orndorff are not the same men and are both royally screwed * Hennig and Andre are both dead. One died because of the overdose of stuff that for Hennig allowed him to keep going. In the end, Hogan tried to make it all about himself like he always does instead of allowing a man to have their moment. That is Hogan's M.O. and that is we are justified in hating the man. I don't see how, as he's not saying he's better thn Edge cause of it. He's just saying how he knows that he could still desire to go in the ring, and doesn't figure it's the last anyone has heard from the guy.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 12, 2011 16:59:18 GMT -5
It is outrageous to use guys like Hennig (Hogan couldnt even spell his name correctly), Orndorff, Blanchard, Andre, or AA as examples. * AA retired because of a neck injury * Blanchard and Orndorff are not the same men and are both royally screwed * Hennig and Andre are both dead. One died because of the overdose of stuff that for Hennig allowed him to keep going. In the end, Hogan tried to make it all about himself like he always does instead of allowing a man to have their moment. That is Hogan's M.O. and that is we are justified in hating the man. I don't see how, as he's not saying he's better thn Edge cause of it. He's just saying how he knows that he could still desire to go in the ring, and doesn't figure it's the last anyone has heard from the guy. It is not a scenario where you should be making it about yourself. And yes, in a way he is saying he is tougher than Edge. "Wrestlers work hurt" The posts after the criticism were him trying to backtrack and salvage his image. It is very sad that you are willing to defend him despite clear proof he screwed up, but your stubborn ways do amuse me.
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 12, 2011 17:05:41 GMT -5
I don't see how, as he's not saying he's better thn Edge cause of it. He's just saying how he knows that he could still desire to go in the ring, and doesn't figure it's the last anyone has heard from the guy. It is not a scenario where you should be making it about yourself. And yes, in a way he is saying he is tougher than Edge. "Wrestlers work hurt" The posts after the criticism were him trying to backtrack and salvage his image. It is very sad that you are willing to defend him despite clear proof he screwed up, but your stubborn ways do amuse me. The man who admitted personally to hate hogan no matter what is saying I'm stubborn in my ways? Also, he did make it clear before his comments, so it wasn't just something he did after he got the attention for it. Hell, right after that "wrestlers work hurt" line, he says Edge is one of the boys who he bets would like to keep going. At no point did he put himself off as better
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Post by Error on Apr 12, 2011 17:11:08 GMT -5
The posts after the criticism were him trying to backtrack and salvage his image. It is very sad that you are willing to defend him despite clear proof he screwed up, but your stubborn ways do amuse me. Only time I am telling ya, do not take shots at anyone like this again.
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Apr 12, 2011 17:12:55 GMT -5
Here's something I posted in the WWE Edge thread, I think it's relevant here: I think the generation we've been watching for the past decade or so are a group that isn't gonna hang on too long in the business. There's definitely passion there, but this is the first generation where most seem to have an exit strategy, or a backup plan. Pretty much everyone on the roster has a post secondart education now. Wrestling isn't the only thing these guys know now, so I think in the future we'll see more guys like JBL, Edge and HBK (even tho Edge wanted to go a little while longer, I'm gonna count him) and less guys like Flair, Hogan, etc. who have to still work Agreed 100% and while as a fan it sucks to see our favorites go it's in their best interest. I'd rather know my favorite is able to live a normal life like me than having to keep wrestling at 60 because they blew their money or are confined to a wheel chair from not going home when they needed to. Hulk Hogan is honestly a dumbass. He really should've quit wrestling AT LEAST after his last full WWE run (2002ish) if not after WCW folded. He's someone who just can't let his past greatness go and lead a normal life. And he's gonna be in pain forever because of that.
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