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Post by darthpipes on Apr 12, 2011 21:38:03 GMT -5
Hogan is absolutely pathetic. Not to mention he used some horrible examples...
Jeff Hardy is a drug addict who gets into trouble with the law. Curt Hennig is dead and his career was on and off due to a serious back injury. Arn Anderson (along with Ted Dibiase and Rick Rude) retired when they suffered serious neck injuries. Ricky Steamboat retired for 15 years due to a back injury. He almost died when he took a bump for a storyline angle last year. Flair is virtually broke and Hogan is a broken down, injured mess. Edge just needs to take one look at him and know that retiring when he can is a very good thing.
Let's take another example from Hogan's past...Paul Orndorff. During his feud with Hogan, Orndorff seriously injured his right arm. He should have had surgery but he was making so much money, he chose to fight on. That left him with permanent damage and a weakened arm. He finally had to retire due to injuries.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Apr 12, 2011 21:50:19 GMT -5
another nail in the coffin Terry
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Post by golding on Apr 12, 2011 22:16:36 GMT -5
As the internet seems to dictate, people insist on making Hogan out to be some sort of bad guy any time he says something.
In this regard, he's right, but nevertheless shows a change in mentality between generations of wrestlers. I can only imagine how many times wrestlers are told by their doctors that they will die or become disabled if they continue, only for the wrestler to continue. I feel like he's giving great respect to Edge. He puts him among a who's-who list of wrestlers, and is basically pointing out how much we'd have missed out on as fans if other greats hung it up when they heard similar things from their doctors (and indeed, how much we'll miss out on with Edge leaving).
But the generation gap shows, and it may very well be for the better. For what we fans demand of wrestlers, it's more gratifying to see them healthy and doing well years after their last match, rather than hear that they became wheelchair-bound like (for example) Lex Lugar did. They also seem more financially responsible, a little less likely to live the fast life of Ric Flair, with all the consequences that come with it.
Hogan also alludes to a truth that is tough to evade in wrestling. It's a rarity for wrestlers to retire once. Kudos to Edge if he is the exception, but if we go by historical odds this may not be the last we hear from him -- doctors or not.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 12, 2011 22:32:56 GMT -5
Yeah, reading Hogan's comments; he wasn't really saying anything negative per se about Edge, he was putting over all wrestlers as tough guys, Edge included.
He just worded it really, really awkwardly.
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Post by Smokestack Lightnin' on Apr 12, 2011 22:35:50 GMT -5
Arn DID quit 15 years ago, Hulkster.
You have such great respect for your old tag partner....
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Apr 12, 2011 22:48:30 GMT -5
I'd hazard that Edge would care what Hogan thinks of him.
He was supposedly a huge Hulkamaniac.....or at least that's what they wanted us to think when he and Hogan teamed up to get the tag belts.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Apr 12, 2011 23:01:04 GMT -5
So Edge should be like Mr One Arm? And have a noticeable deformity because he did not listen to the doctors? No, Hulk, No
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 0:33:34 GMT -5
he worded it realllly weirdly
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Post by Shazam on Apr 13, 2011 2:08:38 GMT -5
To support some posts here, I really don't think Hogan is saying anything "bad" per se.
And this is coming from a very non-Hogan fan....
I believe he's saying "Once you want to wrestle, you can't stop. Injury aside, there will come a day again that Edge will be in a wrestling ring."
You look at Hogan, Funk, Flair, Lawler, hell, Austin was recently quoted in an interview that he could wrestle again. I think Hulkster's got a point. It's something you see a LOT of guys do until they literally can't on any level.
Just because it's a life threatening injury today doesn't mean it will be in a few years. Case & point: Shawn Micheals.
In the list of Hogan atrocities, this one ranks near the bottom. He's just saying "Can't wait for Edge's return."
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 13, 2011 6:55:47 GMT -5
To support some posts here, I really don't think Hogan is saying anything "bad" per se. And this is coming from a very non-Hogan fan.... I believe he's saying "Once you want to wrestle, you can't stop. Injury aside, there will come a day again that Edge will be in a wrestling ring." You look at Hogan, Funk, Flair, Lawler, hell, Austin was recently quoted in an interview that he could wrestle again. I think Hulkster's got a point. It's something you see a LOT of guys do until they literally can't on any level. Just because it's a life threatening injury today doesn't mean it will be in a few years. Case & point: Shawn Micheals. In the list of Hogan atrocities, this one ranks near the bottom. He's just saying "Can't wait for Edge's return." But they guys he mentioned have said on record how bad and tough the day by day pain is to deal with. HBK's injury was a severely injured back that he had to leave for many years in order to get better. Edge has a badly damaged neck that could cripple or kill him if he continue to wrestle. His neck is almost like Misawa and you know what happened to him after he decided to keep wrestling. It might be a chance medicine advanced to the point he could come back but why risk it? Edge saved his earnings and has been planning for the day he would retire. It's not like he doesn't have options or money set to the side.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 8:09:17 GMT -5
Yeah, reading Hogan's comments; he wasn't really saying anything negative per se about Edge, he was putting over all wrestlers as tough guys, Edge included. He just worded it really, really awkwardly. Agreed. The problem with the Tweets was how they can be mis-interpreted based on the format, and I was guilty of that as well. Twitter has a character limit per Tweet. Hogan went over that on his first one, and continued the same thought onto a second post, but it was really one continuous Tweet. The problem was Twitter (or Hogan himself) ended the first Tweet in about the worst possible spot. "if any of the guys like me,Flair,Hardy,Andre,AA,Blanchard,orndoff,Henning would have listened to doctors we would have quit15yrsago" That statement in isolation makes Hogan look really bad and makes it appear that Edge is a wimp for retiring early. But Hogan usually ends his Tweets with "HH", so clearly he continued from that point. ".....but I don't know Edges working environment because they are a media company not a wrestling company. HH" Then he followed that up with: "wrestlers work hurt! What about Foley! I bet EDGE still wants to keep wrestling,he's one of the boys big time!!! HH" Hogan clearly isn't a good writer, but it appeared to be an ill-timed shot at the WWE (for being a media company and not a wrestling company) and a weird way of saying Edge wants to keep going and likely will be back in the ring at some point because you can't keep wrestlers away from the ring (hence saying that him and Flair and others would have retired well before they did had they listened to doctors). If I were in Hogan's shoes I would have said nothing or just a simple "good luck Edge" type message and avoided this, but I don't think his Tweets were as bad as they looked at first glance. He is just an old school mentality, which a lot of athletes have, and just communicated his thoughts very awkwardly. I don't blame people for being upset since it looked like a shot at Edge at first even from my perspective but I think it was just poor writing on Hogan's part. Of course, people have their negative opinions on Hogan regardless, so stuff like this will just bring them out of hiding.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 13, 2011 8:49:25 GMT -5
Yeah, reading Hogan's comments; he wasn't really saying anything negative per se about Edge, he was putting over all wrestlers as tough guys, Edge included. He just worded it really, really awkwardly. Agreed. The problem with the Tweets was how they can be mis-interpreted based on the format, and I was guilty of that as well. Twitter has a character limit per Tweet. Hogan went over that on his first one, and continued the same thought onto a second post, but it was really one continuous Tweet. The problem was Twitter (or Hogan himself) ended the first Tweet in about the worst possible spot. "if any of the guys like me,Flair,Hardy,Andre,AA,Blanchard,orndoff,Henning would have listened to doctors we would have quit15yrsago" That statement in isolation makes Hogan look really bad and makes it appear that Edge is a wimp for retiring early. But Hogan usually ends his Tweets with "HH", so clearly he continued from that point. ".....but I don't know Edges working environment because they are a media company not a wrestling company. HH" Then he followed that up with: "wrestlers work hurt! What about Foley! I bet EDGE still wants to keep wrestling,he's one of the boys big time!!! HH" Hogan clearly isn't a good writer, but it appeared to be an ill-timed shot at the WWE (for being a media company and not a wrestling company) and a weird way of saying Edge wants to keep going and likely will be back in the ring at some point because you can't keep wrestlers away from the ring (hence saying that him and Flair and others would have retired well before they did had they listened to doctors). If I were in Hogan's shoes I would have said nothing or just a simple "good luck Edge" type message and avoided this, but I don't think his Tweets were as bad as they looked at first glance. He is just an old school mentality, which a lot of athletes have, and just communicated his thoughts very awkwardly. I don't blame people for being upset since it looked like a shot at Edge at first even from my perspective but I think it was just poor writing on Hogan's part. Of course, people have their negative opinions on Hogan regardless, so stuff like this will just bring them out of hiding. Big problem is...........he said the wrestlers work hurt in a different tweet than the rest of that phrase. If Hogan can't get his thoughts done in 140 characters............he should use twitlonger. Maybe he puntuates his end with a HH, but that is not enough if you are going to say something that might be misinterpreted. Figure out how to use twitter effectively or don't use it at all.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Apr 13, 2011 9:03:35 GMT -5
To support some posts here, I really don't think Hogan is saying anything "bad" per se. And this is coming from a very non-Hogan fan.... I believe he's saying "Once you want to wrestle, you can't stop. Injury aside, there will come a day again that Edge will be in a wrestling ring." You look at Hogan, Funk, Flair, Lawler, hell, Austin was recently quoted in an interview that he could wrestle again. I think Hulkster's got a point. It's something you see a LOT of guys do until they literally can't on any level. Just because it's a life threatening injury today doesn't mean it will be in a few years. Case & point: Shawn Micheals. In the list of Hogan atrocities, this one ranks near the bottom. He's just saying "Can't wait for Edge's return." I understand Hogan's point but that's why he comes off bad in my book. Knowing what he knows and has seen first hand he of all people should NOT being encouraging that do or die attitude, especially if he gives a damn about Edge or even the business. Does he want to go on another circuit of news shows talking about another tragedy? Edge should be the new paragon he points to in how a career ends not those guys who ended up broken men with shattered lives. Quit glorifying the tragedies for the love of all things.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Apr 13, 2011 9:45:20 GMT -5
Agreed. The problem with the Tweets was how they can be mis-interpreted based on the format, and I was guilty of that as well. Twitter has a character limit per Tweet. Hogan went over that on his first one, and continued the same thought onto a second post, but it was really one continuous Tweet. The problem was Twitter (or Hogan himself) ended the first Tweet in about the worst possible spot. "if any of the guys like me,Flair,Hardy,Andre,AA,Blanchard,orndoff,Henning would have listened to doctors we would have quit15yrsago" That statement in isolation makes Hogan look really bad and makes it appear that Edge is a wimp for retiring early. But Hogan usually ends his Tweets with "HH", so clearly he continued from that point. ".....but I don't know Edges working environment because they are a media company not a wrestling company. HH" Then he followed that up with: "wrestlers work hurt! What about Foley! I bet EDGE still wants to keep wrestling,he's one of the boys big time!!! HH" Hogan clearly isn't a good writer, but it appeared to be an ill-timed shot at the WWE (for being a media company and not a wrestling company) and a weird way of saying Edge wants to keep going and likely will be back in the ring at some point because you can't keep wrestlers away from the ring (hence saying that him and Flair and others would have retired well before they did had they listened to doctors). If I were in Hogan's shoes I would have said nothing or just a simple "good luck Edge" type message and avoided this, but I don't think his Tweets were as bad as they looked at first glance. He is just an old school mentality, which a lot of athletes have, and just communicated his thoughts very awkwardly. I don't blame people for being upset since it looked like a shot at Edge at first even from my perspective but I think it was just poor writing on Hogan's part. Of course, people have their negative opinions on Hogan regardless, so stuff like this will just bring them out of hiding. Big problem is...........he said the wrestlers work hurt in a different tweet than the rest of that phrase. If Hogan can't get his thoughts done in 140 characters............he should use twitlonger. Maybe he puntuates his end with a HH, but that is not enough if you are going to say something that might be misinterpreted. Figure out how to use twitter effectively or don't use it at all. But that's not justification for people to willfully misrepresent what Hogan meant in order to call him scum or whatever people have been doing. I just thought he was lamenting how hard the wrestling business is to walk away from, as well as getting in a pot shot at the WWE. Badly organising your thoughts in 140 characters isn't that bad an offence all things considered. That said, Hogan's position criticising WWE probably isn't that great considering TNA would probably happily let Edge wrestle for them tomorrow if they got him to sign a waiver (albeit, Desmond Wolfe would suggest that even they draw the line somewhere).
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Apr 13, 2011 9:49:40 GMT -5
Yeah, reading Hogan's comments; he wasn't really saying anything negative per se about Edge, he was putting over all wrestlers as tough guys, Edge included. He just worded it really, really awkwardly. really strange that he CONSTANTLY does this...saying something awful/controversial, then changing it/chickening out Hogan's a pathetic senile roid wreck, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 13, 2011 11:37:10 GMT -5
Nah, I don't know the man personally.
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Post by preferable on Apr 13, 2011 12:02:16 GMT -5
Yeah, reading Hogan's comments; he wasn't really saying anything negative per se about Edge, he was putting over all wrestlers as tough guys, Edge included. He just worded it really, really awkwardly. really strange that he CONSTANTLY does this...saying something awful/controversial, then changing it/chickening out Hogan's a pathetic senile roid wreck, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it Nah, I just think Hogan gets stick for not being a mark for the business. Some of the criticism he gets is amusing. As if it was shocking he didn't know the ending of the montreal screw job and got the name of the event wrong. He's probably stopped being an active 'fan' of the buisness, outside of what he does and what he can do to make himself money, for about fifteen or twenty years. It's funny that people find that so offensive.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 13, 2011 12:43:19 GMT -5
Big problem is...........he said the wrestlers work hurt in a different tweet than the rest of that phrase. If Hogan can't get his thoughts done in 140 characters............he should use twitlonger. Maybe he puntuates his end with a HH, but that is not enough if you are going to say something that might be misinterpreted. Figure out how to use twitter effectively or don't use it at all. But that's not justification for people to willfully misrepresent what Hogan meant in order to call him scum or whatever people have been doing. I just thought he was lamenting how hard the wrestling business is to walk away from, as well as getting in a pot shot at the WWE. Badly organising your thoughts in 140 characters isn't that bad an offence all things considered. That said, Hogan's position criticising WWE probably isn't that great considering TNA would probably happily let Edge wrestle for them tomorrow if they got him to sign a waiver (albeit, Desmond Wolfe would suggest that even they draw the line somewhere). Nobody to play for the misrepresentation than Hulk Hogan who used a man's retirement as a way to take a shot at WWE. My mom told me a while ago when I started using twitter that I have to be careful with what I say because I can't take those comments back. I'm sure Hogan got the same warning as well, differences are I actually listened to that warning and if I made a mistake, I owned up to it.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 13, 2011 12:46:38 GMT -5
really strange that he CONSTANTLY does this...saying something awful/controversial, then changing it/chickening out Hogan's a pathetic senile roid wreck, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it Nah, I just think Hogan gets stick for not being a mark for the business. Some of the criticism he gets is amusing. As if it was shocking he didn't know the ending of the montreal screw job and got the name of the event wrong. He's probably stopped being an active 'fan' of the buisness, outside of what he does and what he can do to make himself money, for about fifteen or twenty years. It's funny that people find that so offensive. Well, then come out and say that or at least do some research. You come off worse if you get it wrong than just saying I dont know what happened because you are trying to make yourself all knowing. Vince says all the time that he doesn't keep up with some of the stuff goes on outside of WWE.
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Post by Michael Coello on Apr 13, 2011 12:49:29 GMT -5
Jeez, from what you all want him to set up his thoughts with, why don't you just go to his house and talk to him yourself?
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