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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 19, 2012 13:21:27 GMT -5
Now that we are seeing trailers and footage from the final product, it seems some of the complaining about Tom Hardy being cast as Bane has calmed down, but a lot of speculation still remains. The main complaint people have is that he is "too small" for the character. But I honestly think Hardy was a terrific choice, and Nolan would not have cast him for the part if he did not think he could pull it off. The main thing a lot of people cite in defense of Hardy as Bane is the movie "Bronson," which honestly does help you get an idea of his talents as an actor, particularly for a part like Bane. But I was interested to learn recently that Nolan had not even seen that movie when he decided to cast Hardy for the part, and this actually further enforces my belief that Hardy is THE choice. To be fair, Hardy is more than a little bit of a character actor, but he has shown some ability to diversify when the situation calls for it. But the main thing for me is that he is a very physical actor he creates his characters primarily through body movement and physical motion. Some actors may use their voice or their facial expressions, but with Hardy its much more about body language than anything else. Since he is wearing a mask that obscures most of his face, that is going to be especially important. The main thing I can say for Bronson, but also Warrior, is that they proved he does have the body type for the part. Despite all the complaints, I still think he looks perfectly muscular and powerful as Bane, but also realistic-I can picture him and Bale's Batman going toe to toe and being equally matched, while if he was the size of a truck it would be pretty obvious that he would snap Batman in half. Eagerly awaiting this movie, I think it will officially solidify Hardy's star in the USA and will probably silence the unbelievers who think he is not right for the part. We shall see.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 19, 2012 13:25:41 GMT -5
It was silly to expect Nolan to make Bane as jacked up looking as he does in the comics. I'm fine with his look (though find the mask a bit lame).
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Post by Young Game on Jan 19, 2012 13:26:18 GMT -5
The mouth portion of Bane's mask looks like goatse.
This was pointed out to me recently and now...just...I wish I could unsee it. I can not.
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Post by Cela on Jan 19, 2012 14:52:16 GMT -5
He's too short. No, I have not scene Bronson, I saw the trailer and don't want to see Bronson, I'm sure he was big enough to play Bronson.
Also mouth Goatse.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 19, 2012 14:56:27 GMT -5
That's an official still from the movie, released in Entertainment Weekly. Not a spy shot or on-set photo, but an actual still-frame image from the working product. As you can see, Bane still looks ridiculously small. Most, myself included, were hoping Nolan would use trick photography and boot lifts to make Bane look taller than Batman. Well, he didn't. I can't for one second, based on this picture, buy Bane kicking Batman's ass. We've already seen Batman take on an army of Ninjas by himself and WIN. Why the hell would this short shit be a problem?
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Jan 19, 2012 14:57:00 GMT -5
You know, it doesn't matter what fan boys think. It ain't going to be like the comic. He looks fine, the public is what makes money for these films, not fan boys.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 19, 2012 15:02:12 GMT -5
Why are Batman and Bane brofisting?
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jan 19, 2012 15:05:18 GMT -5
I hate to be "That Guy," but I'll bring up the "Heath Ledger as the Joker" argument when someone says Hardy shouldn't play Bane, or the question the casting of an actor. I know that it's not the strongest argument, but it does show Nolan has his own plans for every character, and is a good enough director to know who will fit the part. The people saying Bane looks too small, are the same people who'd be complaining if he was big, saying how they're sure he'll be the brute we saw the last time he appeared on film. Besides, Tom Hardy is about 190 something pounds of solid muscle. That's pretty damn big.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 19, 2012 15:12:19 GMT -5
You know, it doesn't matter what fan boys think. It ain't going to be like the comic. He looks fine, the public is what makes money for these films, not fan boys. I cannot express, as a "fanboy" who has put tens of thousands of dollars into the Batman character over the course of my life, how much statements like this piss me off. So many "fanboys" don't expect the movies to be exactly like the comic, just to remain true to the characters. Making Bane small would be like if Peter Jackson had made Frodo 6 feet tall. The size is a defining trait of the character. Keep in mind too, that without us little pathetic "fanboys" dumping money into comic book characters for decades in comic shops, they would have disappeared and never been presented to the general public. "Fanboys" will keep these characters alive long past the comic book movie fad, and they'll continue to carry them until the fad returns in the future. People should never, EVER be looked at in a derogatory light for being a die-hard fan of something. God forbid people get invested in a universe and story, and would like to see it portrayed respectfully.
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Post by moneyman20 on Jan 19, 2012 15:12:37 GMT -5
You have to remember that bane has the same exact training as the bat. For that reason, I can believe him kicking batman's ass. I don't see the issue. Then again, I was never a big fan of the batman comics to begin with if you look at my display name
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 19, 2012 15:17:45 GMT -5
I hate to be "That Guy," but I'll bring up the "Heath Ledger as the Joker" argument when someone says Hardy shouldn't play Bane, or the question the casting of an actor. I know that it's not the strongest argument, but it does show Nolan has his own plans for every character, and is a good enough director to know who will fit the part. The people saying Bane looks too small, are the same people who'd be complaining if he was big, saying how they're sure he'll be the brute we saw the last time he appeared on film. Besides, Tom Hardy is about 190 something pounds of solid muscle. That's pretty damn big. True, I think Nolan has earned the right to not have his casting choices questioned until he screws one up, which he has yet to (though your mileage may vary).
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Post by dav on Jan 19, 2012 15:33:54 GMT -5
You know, it doesn't matter what fan boys think. It ain't going to be like the comic. He looks fine, the public is what makes money for these films, not fan boys. I cannot express, as a "fanboy" who has put tens of thousands of dollars into the Batman character over the course of my life, how much statements like this piss me off. So many "fanboys" don't expect the movies to be exactly like the comic, just to remain true to the characters. Making Bane small would be like if Peter Jackson had made Frodo 6 feet tall. The size is a defining trait of the character. No it's not. The defining traits of his characters are the venom, his intelligence, fighting ability and personality. Since his size varies from artist to artist, I'm really not fussed by this. It's only a minor thing.
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Post by Mr Snrub on Jan 19, 2012 15:38:20 GMT -5
Just reserve all judgements till we've seen the movie
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 19, 2012 15:42:51 GMT -5
That's an official still from the movie, released in Entertainment Weekly. Not a spy shot or on-set photo, but an actual still-frame image from the working product. As you can see, Bane still looks ridiculously small. Most, myself included, were hoping Nolan would use trick photography and boot lifts to make Bane look taller than Batman. Well, he didn't. I can't for one second, based on this picture, buy Bane kicking Batman's ass. We've already seen Batman take on an army of Ninjas by himself and WIN. Why the hell would this short s*** be a problem? We also saw Batman get mauled by a dog and struggle with The Joker, who was portrayed as a fairly scrawny guy, and even get set on fire by Scarecrow, who was even scrawnier. The point being, as another posted pointed out, Nolan knew what he was doing when he cast Ledger as The Joker, despite all doubts, and he probably knows what he is doing with Hardy as well. And even if you do not watch Bronson, even in other movies like Inception or Star Trek Nemesis you can see how Hardy portray's his character through physicality-everything I have seen so far shows him portraying Bane as a lumbering monster, the way he should be.
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Post by Cela on Jan 19, 2012 15:46:03 GMT -5
I hate to be "That Guy," but I'll bring up the "Heath Ledger as the Joker" argument when someone says Hardy shouldn't play Bane, or the question the casting of an actor. I know that it's not the strongest argument, but it does show Nolan has his own plans for every character, and is a good enough director to know who will fit the part. The people saying Bane looks too small, are the same people who'd be complaining if he was big, saying how they're sure he'll be the brute we saw the last time he appeared on film. Besides, Tom Hardy is about 190 something pounds of solid muscle. That's pretty damn big. So is Rey Mysterio. Point is, people changed their mind about Heath Ledger once they saw and heard him and saw that there was something there. This is just a badly masked short guy muffle guy who is somehow the smallest villain of the series.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 19, 2012 15:49:04 GMT -5
Just reserve all judgements till we've seen the movie I will do no such thing!
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Post by Juice on Jan 19, 2012 15:55:33 GMT -5
The three things that really jumped out at me from Nolans Bane. Were the size, the look, and the mask. Firstly I think the mask is horrible. It looks like crap plain and simple. It also doesn't appear to have functionality. It just looks like some weird rubber sex mask.
The size didn't bother me too much. Nolans super realistic world pretty much assured we weould get a realistically jacked dude.
Finally the main selling point is the guy looks like a terrorist. The clothes/colors just look like taliban/Al Qeuda to me and I LOVE IT. I refer to Nolans Bane as "Terrorist Bane" and until we saw him in costume I was positive I would hate him. Once the terrorist like pics appeared, with his militia of gun wielding followers I am intrigued. Even if he's small and wearing a sex mask. It's like people were mad at first when Ledgers joker had been painting his face. Like really? get over it.
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Jan 19, 2012 15:58:06 GMT -5
I cannot express, as a "fanboy" who has put tens of thousands of dollars into the Batman character over the course of my life, how much statements like this piss me off. So many "fanboys" don't expect the movies to be exactly like the comic, just to remain true to the characters. Making Bane small would be like if Peter Jackson had made Frodo 6 feet tall. The size is a defining trait of the character. No it's not. The defining traits of his characters are the venom, his intelligence, fighting ability and personality. Since his size varies from artist to artist, I'm really not fussed by this. It's only a minor thing. This, you may of put 10000 or more in to Batman, but you aren't who the brand "batman" is going after. There is more money in people that don't put money into the comic, then the core fans. I am sorry for saying the fan boy thing, was out of place for me.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 19, 2012 16:05:22 GMT -5
Bane, in general, has just been a dull villain to me. The only time I really liked him was in "The Batman", acting like the hitman for the mob and being a lone badass. Also, I found him funny in LEGO Batman, but I'm not sure that counts.
The Animated series version wasn't that good, made worse when he was front and center in the horrible "Mystery of the Batwoman" movie, and when he got pwned by Superman dressed up like Batman.
And while I liked Batman & Robin, Bane was just there as muscle, not even a goon on the level of Bob. It could have been a mutant plant guy for what he really mattered to the whole thing. Even in the special features, they spend all their time talking about the comic book version and not a second on the movie one.
You can say this is just for his adaptations, but even reading his stories as a loner like Knightfall and such, he's not that interesting. He feels better with an ensemble, like the run with Secret Six. Holding a property by himself, and all interest just drains.
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Post by Juice on Jan 19, 2012 16:24:50 GMT -5
Well as far as heright and size net to batman, I found this on google that seems to be a good representation. I mean people real;ly hate on on Batman and Robin, but this sure does appear to keep continuity with the look and presentation of Bane. But how could someone who looks like that even be taken seriously at all in the Nolanverse? This is a pic of a smaller man, roughly Tom hardys size in Bane costume. and it still looks silly. It's not the size, but the suit. It just looks silly. Looks gimp like and no serious criminal would wear spandex. These pics depict Bane as a realistic person. In both size and attire. He looks like a fit man who hit up a military surplus store and staged a coup. What shocks me most is the tattoo.
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