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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 19, 2012 18:52:02 GMT -5
Wait...wha? I was referring to the Whitewashing of Bane. I was just kidding, but it's weird that Bale, Osmond, Hardy, Temple are all English, Marion Cotillard is French. I just became amused by the fact that All of the films leads and many of the supporting cast of a batman film are all European. Not to be picky, but considering that we currently have a pair of British actors in line to be Superman and Abraham Lincoln, I think all ideas of nationality are kind of moot.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 19, 2012 19:38:47 GMT -5
I trust Chris Nolan.
The dude hasn't made one movie, not one that I haven't enjoyed-really loved.
'Till that occurs, he's built up my trust in any changes he makes.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 19, 2012 19:41:29 GMT -5
Wait...wha? I was referring to the Whitewashing of Bane. I was just kidding, but it's weird that Bale, Osmond, Hardy, Temple are all English, Marion Cotillard is French. I just became amused by the fact that All of the films leads and many of the supporting cast of a batman film are all European. This goes for Begins as well. Neeson, Caine, Oldman, Murphy and Wilkinson are all British/Irish.
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Post by AztecaDragon on Jan 19, 2012 20:12:12 GMT -5
Isn't Bane Spanish, aka white? I thought it was clear Bane was a person of color. Tom Hardy is...not. It's just I see this as role that could've made someone's career, especially considering how limited the roles are out there for PoC. It's disappointing (but not surprising) it went to a white guy. Now, I'm still going to see the movie and hope Nolan finally knows how to film a decent action scene but it stinks of the garden-variety Hollywood Whitewash.
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Post by Danimal on Jan 19, 2012 20:50:48 GMT -5
I hate to be "That Guy," but I'll bring up the "Heath Ledger as the Joker" argument when someone says Hardy shouldn't play Bane, or the question the casting of an actor. I know that it's not the strongest argument, but it does show Nolan has his own plans for every character, and is a good enough director to know who will fit the part. The people saying Bane looks too small, are the same people who'd be complaining if he was big, saying how they're sure he'll be the brute we saw the last time he appeared on film. Besides, Tom Hardy is about 190 something pounds of solid muscle. That's pretty damn big. So is Rey Mysterio. Point is, people changed their mind about Heath Ledger once they saw and heard him and saw that there was something there. This is just a badly masked short guy muffle guy who is somehow the smallest villain of the series. Guessing you haven't seen Warrior
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jan 19, 2012 20:56:37 GMT -5
Isn't Bane Spanish, aka white? I thought it was clear Bane was a person of color. Tom Hardy is...not. It's just I see this as role that could've made someone's career, especially considering how limited the roles are out there for PoC. It's disappointing (but not surprising) it went to a white guy. Now, I'm still going to see the movie and hope Nolan finally knows how to film a decent action scene but it stinks of the garden-variety Hollywood Whitewash. Bane did grow up in a South American prison but really his skin tone often depends on the artist drawing him.
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Post by AztecaDragon on Jan 19, 2012 21:07:51 GMT -5
Bane did grow up in a South American prison but really his skin tone often depends on the artist drawing him. I know. What I'm saying has little to do with his fluctuating skin tone, which really seems to afflict characters of color the most often in what I'm sure is just an unfortunate coincidence...
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Post by Jiren on Jan 19, 2012 21:18:45 GMT -5
I like Nolan, I like the Nolanverse (But I prefer Burtonverse) & I like Tom Hardy (And NEVER had a problem with his casting).
But that Bane looks horrid.
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Post by Cela on Jan 19, 2012 21:25:55 GMT -5
So is Rey Mysterio. Point is, people changed their mind about Heath Ledger once they saw and heard him and saw that there was something there. This is just a badly masked short guy muffle guy who is somehow the smallest villain of the series. Guessing you haven't seen Warrior Yes, I saw Warrior, and I hated it. And he was larger than his opponents.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jan 20, 2012 0:37:29 GMT -5
Well, I was planning on siding with the people who said that he looks okay, but really, when I saw those on set pics, he really doesn't look very big or intimidating. I mean he looks about the same size as Batman. I like the outift, the original looks too cartoonish and I think the new one has sort of a road warrior vibe to it, but Bane just looks like some normal sized guy that they dressed up in the suit. I always figured Bane's size was really a pretty defining characteristic about him. I mean I'm not going to poop on the movie so much just for that. I really think the movie will be pretty epic regardless, but it would make things more believable.
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Post by erisi236 on Jan 20, 2012 13:39:37 GMT -5
Maybe this is all just to screw with us. This Bane is just his powered down form, when he kicks on the Venom he'll morph into the Red Hulk version from The Batman.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 20, 2012 14:09:21 GMT -5
This will probably be ignored. But I imagine there's still going to be some camera trickery or maybe venom will be introduced with Bane. That set photo looks like the beginning of the Bane/Batman confrontation.
One of the reasons why I think Nolan will use camera trickery or venom is the first teaser trailer. You see Bane walking towards Batman with a purpose, given the angle, and how Batman is apprehensive in fighting I imagine that's going to be Batman under venom honestly.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 20, 2012 14:29:50 GMT -5
Something I think we also need to wait and see is how this version of Bane fights. Tom Hardy has said that Bane is a "wrecking ball" and that his fighting style is "brutal," so that could effect how effective his performance will be. I can see how his being shorter than Bale as Batman bugs a lot of people, but perhaps he makes up for the lack of overwhelming size with sheer viciousness-no fancy martial arts, just goes straight for the jugular. Something to consider.
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Post by Munkie91087 on Jan 20, 2012 14:37:54 GMT -5
Something I think we also need to wait and see is how this version of Bane fights. Tom Hardy has said that Bane is a "wrecking ball" and that his fighting style is "brutal," so that could effect how effective his performance will be. I can see how his being shorter than Bale as Batman bugs a lot of people, but perhaps he makes up for the lack of overwhelming size with sheer viciousness-no fancy martial arts, just goes straight for the jugular. Something to consider. NOPE! He isn't 7'5 and 500 pounds of muscle mass with a lucha mask. Therefor, he sucks and I won't even give the movie a chance!!! (I completely agree with you. That's kind of how I see it. While Batman is concerned with preserving the line and not crossing it, Bane has zero issue with just brutalizing someone, if given the opportunity.)
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Post by metylerca on Jan 20, 2012 14:44:46 GMT -5
I'd laugh if the Bane character is the Nolan equivalent of Paint Your Wagon.
"Thanks for watching the trilogy, losers!"
;D
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Post by Cela on Jan 20, 2012 18:42:42 GMT -5
Something I think we also need to wait and see is how this version of Bane fights. Tom Hardy has said that Bane is a "wrecking ball" and that his fighting style is "brutal," so that could effect how effective his performance will be. I can see how his being shorter than Bale as Batman bugs a lot of people, but perhaps he makes up for the lack of overwhelming size with sheer viciousness-no fancy martial arts, just goes straight for the jugular. Something to consider. NOPE! He isn't 7'5 and 500 pounds of muscle mass with a lucha mask. Therefor, he sucks and I won't even give the movie a chance!!! (I completely agree with you. That's kind of how I see it. While Batman is concerned with preserving the line and not crossing it, Bane has zero issue with just brutalizing someone, if given the opportunity.) I'd take 6'2" 240...
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 20, 2012 19:05:48 GMT -5
Somebody on this board once said it was Goatse.
And that's all I see.
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Post by dav on Jan 20, 2012 19:11:24 GMT -5
I'd laugh if the Bane character is the Nolan equivalent of Paint Your Wagon. "Thanks for watching the trilogy, losers!" ;D Oh thank God it's Christian Bale! He's always angry and violent!
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 20, 2012 20:29:14 GMT -5
I think the "We were all wrong about Heath Ledger so shut up and trust Nolan" falls apart when you consider that people were badmouthing Ledger's casting BEFORE seeing and hearing him as the Joker. Once the first pic and the first trailer came out, people immediately jumped on board.
You could look at a picture of Ledger's Joker and say "Yeah, that's obviously a sick, crazy f***er." Hardy simply does not look intimidating in any of the pictures/trailers I've seen. He doesn't need to be a Kelley Jones roid freak, but he does need to look clearly capable of kicking Batman's ass.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 21, 2012 0:14:44 GMT -5
Bane has never been a guy who can beat up Batman in a fair fight. His greatest strength is his tactical finesse and genius level intellect. The factB he's slightly (SLIGHTLY) smaller than Batman is irrelevant to why the character is so effective.
Again, HE DOES NOT NEED TO LOOK LIKE SOMEONE WHO CAN CRUSH BATMAN TO BE EFFECTIVE.
If They wanted some dumb muscle to match Batman, then they probably would have used Killer Croc. Bane is much better than Croc because he isn't simply some huge freak. Does it make him more imposing? Of course. But in the big picture this is an aspect of the character that isn't necessary in order to still be effective in the role.
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