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Post by joebob27 on Oct 7, 2011 22:28:12 GMT -5
Yeah, but undercard faces are involved in this too. So it's not necessarily union bad/corporate good.
There's actually sort of a shooty tone to this. Who in the company do you think makes the most money? (maybe other than Sheamus). The guys who are showing up to work the show...
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Oct 7, 2011 22:34:20 GMT -5
Yeah, but undercard faces are involved in this too. So it's not necessarily union bad/corporate good. There's actually sort of a shooty tone to this. Who in the company do you think makes the most money? (maybe other than Sheamus). The guys who are showing up to work the show... Yeah, but they've built it up that anyone that walked out is "just whining", and that the people that stayed are the "real good guys".
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Post by Cronant on Oct 7, 2011 22:36:55 GMT -5
Well they don't really have much of a case, except maybe Cody.
The "chaos" is either largely exaggerated, or caused by the heels themselves. They have Mark Henry on their side.
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Post by Death by Pickles! on Oct 7, 2011 22:38:50 GMT -5
Yeah, but undercard faces are involved in this too. So it's not necessarily union bad/corporate good. There's actually sort of a shooty tone to this. Who in the company do you think makes the most money? (maybe other than Sheamus). The guys who are showing up to work the show... Yeah, but they've built it up that anyone that walked out is "just whining", and that the people that stayed are the "real good guys". I think the fans should be allowed to decide for themselves who the real "good guys" are. Besides, judging by the cheers that Sin Cara, Zack Ryder, and Air Boom (four of the people who left) got, I think most of the fans' vitriol will be centered around the main heel group (Christian, Ziggler, Cody, etc.)
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 7, 2011 22:39:27 GMT -5
Well they don't really have much of a case, except maybe Cody. The "chaos" is either largely exaggerated, or caused by the heels themselves. They have Mark Henry on their side. And it makes perfect sense, in kayfabe. The problem is that the whole premise is being played off increasingly blatantly as a commentary on ongoing real world issues that are... not so simple, to put it mildly.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Oct 7, 2011 22:41:04 GMT -5
Yeah, but they've built it up that anyone that walked out is "just whining", and that the people that stayed are the "real good guys". I think the fans should be allowed to decide for themselves who the real "good guys" are. Besides, judging by the cheers that Sin Cara, Zack Ryder, and Air Boom (four of the people who left) got, I think most of the fans' vitriol will be centered around the main heel group (Christian, Ziggler, Cody, etc.) The SHOULD be allowed to decide, absolutely, but it's being shown in no uncertain terms that HHH is in the right, despite being an inflexible bully, and anyone who disagrees with him is, at best, a whiner.
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Post by Cronant on Oct 7, 2011 22:41:55 GMT -5
Well they don't really have much of a case, except maybe Cody. The "chaos" is either largely exaggerated, or caused by the heels themselves. They have Mark Henry on their side. And it makes perfect sense, in kayfabe. The problem is that the whole premise is being played off increasingly blatantly as a commentary on ongoing real world issues that are... not so simple, to put it mildly. Its WWE land though. So what if they take something and adjust it to their world and make it a bit more black and white since they have defined good guys and bad guys? I don't really care if they have exact real world commentaries. Besides, its not the main thing. The main thing is who's manipulating everyone. This is just a step in that direction.
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Post by joebob27 on Oct 7, 2011 22:48:24 GMT -5
Yeah, but undercard faces are involved in this too. So it's not necessarily union bad/corporate good. There's actually sort of a shooty tone to this. Who in the company do you think makes the most money? (maybe other than Sheamus). The guys who are showing up to work the show... Yeah, but they've built it up that anyone that walked out is "just whining", and that the people that stayed are the "real good guys". Well, they haven't really built up anything with this yet. It has a bit of potential. Having the midcard faces protest too ads a different dimension to it. Now, if Cena comes out and gives a speech about how great the company is and how great the fans are and how great everybody is, and suddenly all the faces come storming in and hug him.... well, that's kind of sucky. If Punk does it, that's punch yourself in the face territory.
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Post by Death by Pickles! on Oct 7, 2011 22:48:49 GMT -5
I think the fans should be allowed to decide for themselves who the real "good guys" are. Besides, judging by the cheers that Sin Cara, Zack Ryder, and Air Boom (four of the people who left) got, I think most of the fans' vitriol will be centered around the main heel group (Christian, Ziggler, Cody, etc.) The SHOULD be allowed to decide, absolutely, but it's being shown in no uncertain terms that HHH is in the right, despite being an inflexible bully, and anyone who disagrees with him is, at best, a whiner. That's true. It didn't help that, with the exception of Jerry Lawler and a ref, the main cases against HHH were all heels. The tricky thing with stories like this is, there isn't necessarily a clear "good guy". There can't be, because both sides have flaws. It does help that some of the faces like JoMo and Kofi are being so outspoken against HHH.
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Post by VKMTV on Oct 7, 2011 23:35:08 GMT -5
Solidarity BROTHERS!
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 8, 2011 0:13:58 GMT -5
"He won't quit even though we walked out on him! Lets go to the arena the show is gonna be at anyway! That will show him!" aka The Melina Theorem
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 8, 2011 0:50:31 GMT -5
I still don't like the political undertones of this. I have concerns too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 1:20:21 GMT -5
"He won't quit even though we walked out on him! Lets go to the arena the show is gonna be at anyway! That will show him!" aka The Melina Theorem They're all going to attack Kelly Kelly!
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Oct 8, 2011 1:29:05 GMT -5
Guys just a heads up, please avoid bringing any non storyline related politics into this.
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Post by alabastergrim on Oct 8, 2011 2:53:31 GMT -5
Let's just say I don't agree with McMahon's portrayal of current politics AT ALL. I'm willing to see how this plays out but there's a big chance that this Monday will be the last time I watch WWE. I REALLY hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Dean-o on Oct 8, 2011 3:04:03 GMT -5
I hope they do remember they have a PPV in 2 weeks to build with all this boycott nonsense.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 8, 2011 3:07:32 GMT -5
As someone who actively avoids the news (I find it depressing), I have no idea what everyone is talking about with political undertones. I'm just enjoying it as a wrestling angle. I mean look, Christian, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, and Jack Swagger are smack in the middle of the main angle in the company. That's awesome.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 8, 2011 3:23:08 GMT -5
As someone who actively avoids the news (I find it depressing), I have no idea what everyone is talking about with political undertones. I'm just enjoying it as a wrestling angle. I mean look, Christian, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, and Jack Swagger are smack in the middle of the main angle in the company. That's awesome. To be fair, I'm someone who follows both news and politics closely, and I don't see any political undertones. All I see is the WWE deciding that Triple H just isn't working out, and Triple H being stubborn. At worst, it's the beginning of another episode of McMahon Family Drama, and I don't even see that happening.
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Post by CM Parish on Oct 8, 2011 4:36:55 GMT -5
I too don't have a f***ing clue what "Political Undertones" you're referring to. I'm also from the UK though - is there more American Political shit going on at the moment that I don't know about?
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Oct 8, 2011 7:01:07 GMT -5
Each person arguably has their own reasons aside from just Cody (Who still has the most sound reason of them all. Getting thrown into title matches when in a suit, being brutalised by Orton who doesn't get punished while others are getting fined or fired for less)
Kofi and Bourne and others don't feel safe because they are getting targeted because of heels problems with HHH. King probably feels he got attacked because H got Henry in a bad mood. It's a six degrees of seperation thing. Usually when people get attacked, it's due to their own issues with the attacker. In this case, they aren't involved. They're just people being targeted to make a statement towards the big power in the WWE so if he's gone, they shouldn't have to be watching their backs as much.
The heels are tired of being made fools of every time they voice a disagreement. Henry is getting fined for attacking someone while Orton is attacking everyone and is getting away with it. Miz/Truth were fired for doing stuff H did all the time. Christian is forced into a bunch of matches he didn't want (despite H being HANDED titles in the past). Ziggler got injured and was given no compansation. They're seeing the hypocrisy that HHH is doing and they sure as hell don't like it.
Other heels are taking advantage of it for themselves. Hawkins and Reks are tired of being looked over and using this as a chance to work things out (It's notable that the Usos seemed to have confidence in H in the same segment.). Barrett figures that by taking charge he'll likely benefit from it also financially (somehow...).
Ryder voted confidence but can you really blame him if he votes no confidence now?
Regal is just concerned that his friend won't be able to handle the pressure of this and thinks its best he steps down for his own health.
Booker needed to go to the bathroom.
They all have their own justifications really and those that don't are either getting on what they think will be the winning side or taking advantage of the madness.
The loyal faces, most I doubt are even that loyal. Punk just thinks walking out and striking isn't the answer, more willing to take the fight to H (Plus he probably just likes to stir things up really opposed to wanting real change). Orton is kinda getting away with murder at this point but you know the point H tries to turn on him, he'll snap right back on to him. Sheamus only wants competition so doesn't give a damn about any of this (It's not like anyone is stupid enough to attack him anyway). Kelly and Eve will likely never be on the same page as Beth and Nattie.
The only unknowns right now are Mason Ryan, Big Show (Who to be fair was injured and missed most of this anyway) and John Cena (And I'll put good money on him giving us his opinion on this on Monday)
Though to be clear, the fact that they turned 90% of the roster heel (Including having Good Ol JR booed out of the building) before doing the logical thing of H being heel for playing favorites and being an unfair boss is insane. I can only smile that H actually got booed for pedigreeing Ryder which shows that even the markiest of H marks knew that attack was total bull.
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