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Post by Brian Suntan on Oct 10, 2011 12:52:10 GMT -5
To me, it's not about Miz and Truth, or Mark Henry, or even the WWE Championship fiasco. The problem is that this all happened under someone who was one of them only months before. By the time of the turmoil of the Attitude era, whether it be the Ministry abductions or Austin getting hit by a car, the Mr. McMahon they know had been the man in charge for almost 20 years. The WWE Championship fiasco happened in Hunter's second week. If it's true what they say about first impressions, I'd rather put my faith in the guy that took down WCW than the guy who can't keep a couple of nuts out of the building during a Pay-Per-View. When you look at it like that, can you blame the WWE roster if they literally have no confidence in him? Added to the fact that most straight up don't like him and will milk any opportunity to get him fired..... this is basically it. In sport if you have a manager or coach who's been there for years, when he leaves the next guy usually faces all kinds of problems (especially if, as often happens in football, the new guy is promoted from within). Relatively small issues that would be no problem under the old management are blown up into huge ones. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 10, 2011 15:24:34 GMT -5
Um, I think we just have to accept that the chaos we're seeing is actually supposed to be chaos.
According to the walk-out faces, that chaos is being sewn by some secret mastermind who is seeming more and more likely to either be Punk or HHH himself, depending on who they want to be the heel in this angle.
Also, it's seeming more and more likely that this rally is going to serve precisely zero purpose except as a shot against occupy Wall Street people, so get ready to hear lots of shots against "complainers" and "whiners."
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Oct 10, 2011 15:55:08 GMT -5
As someone who actively avoids the news (I find it depressing), I have no idea what everyone is talking about with political undertones. I'm just enjoying it as a wrestling angle. I mean look, Christian, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, and Jack Swagger are smack in the middle of the main angle in the company. That's awesome. What is happening is smarks being smarks. The casual fans don't think so far into it. The only way there are political undertones is if you put them there. |
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 10, 2011 16:14:10 GMT -5
As someone who actively avoids the news (I find it depressing), I have no idea what everyone is talking about with political undertones. I'm just enjoying it as a wrestling angle. I mean look, Christian, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, and Jack Swagger are smack in the middle of the main angle in the company. That's awesome. What is happening is smarks being smarks. The casual fans don't think so far into it. The only way there are political undertones is if you put them there. I'm aware that it could have some political undertones to it (not intentionally), but I'm enjoying the story, to be quite honest. |
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Post by FinalGwen on Oct 10, 2011 16:16:43 GMT -5
As someone who actively avoids the news (I find it depressing), I have no idea what everyone is talking about with political undertones. I'm just enjoying it as a wrestling angle. I mean look, Christian, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, and Jack Swagger are smack in the middle of the main angle in the company. That's awesome. What is happening is smarks being smarks. The casual fans don't think so far into it. The only way there are political undertones is if you put them there. Yes, Wade Barrett mentioning Arthur Scargill was just my smarky imagination. |
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Oct 10, 2011 16:17:49 GMT -5
As someone who actively avoids the news (I find it depressing), I have no idea what everyone is talking about with political undertones. I'm just enjoying it as a wrestling angle. I mean look, Christian, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, and Jack Swagger are smack in the middle of the main angle in the company. That's awesome. What is happening is smarks being smarks. The casual fans don't think so far into it. The only way there are political undertones is if you put them there. Thats dumb. You can apply that rule to anything. If you dont believe something has specific undertones, then to you it doesnt. If you do believe it does, then it does. Its not a case of "smarks being smarks", its just people reading deeper into the story. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 10, 2011 16:19:05 GMT -5
As someone who actively avoids the news (I find it depressing), I have no idea what everyone is talking about with political undertones. I'm just enjoying it as a wrestling angle. I mean look, Christian, Cody Rhodes, Dolph Ziggler, and Jack Swagger are smack in the middle of the main angle in the company. That's awesome. What is happening is smarks being smarks. The casual fans don't think so far into it. The only way there are political undertones is if you put them there. Uh, right. So, we should judge things by the standards of the people who don't think deeply about them. Great advice. |
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Oct 10, 2011 16:19:13 GMT -5
What is happening is smarks being smarks. The casual fans don't think so far into it. The only way there are political undertones is if you put them there. I'm aware that it could have some political undertones to it (not intentionally), but I'm enjoying the story, to be quite honest. I agree with you. But those that are having a problem with it do by their own choice, not by anything WWE is doing. |
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Oct 10, 2011 16:21:08 GMT -5
What is happening is smarks being smarks. The casual fans don't think so far into it. The only way there are political undertones is if you put them there. Thats dumb. You can apply that rule to anything. If you dont believe something has specific undertones, then to you it doesnt. If you do believe it does, then it does. Its not a case of "smarks being smarks", its just people reading deeper into the story. Isn't that what smarks do? Read deeper into the story? So isn't what smarks do called "Smarks being Smarks"? Casual fans are just enjoying the storyline and not worrying about the detail. |
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Oct 10, 2011 16:46:17 GMT -5
Thats dumb. You can apply that rule to anything. If you dont believe something has specific undertones, then to you it doesnt. If you do believe it does, then it does. Its not a case of "smarks being smarks", its just people reading deeper into the story. Isn't that what smarks do? Read deeper into the story? So isn't what smarks do called "Smarks being Smarks"? Casual fans are just enjoying the storyline and not worrying about the detail. Details like wrestlers mentioning #OccupyRaw weeks after #OccupyWallstreet happened? One doesn't have to look far. I don't even know where you draw the line personally for "smarks" vs casual fans, and since everyone has a definition for that sort of thing and you're labeling people and assuming what they do/don't do, that argument really doesn't make much sense. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 10, 2011 16:51:08 GMT -5
I have a feeling the #occupyraw thing was started by Ziggler or Christian or whichever of them first posted it on twitter and not the writers or Vince himself telling them to.
After all, don't people get on Vince's case for being behind the times on shit like this all the time?
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Post by Cronant on Oct 10, 2011 17:11:21 GMT -5
WWE.com drew parallels to the NBA lockout. Which is probably what WWE was primarily intending.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 17:15:44 GMT -5
I don't know what this Wall Street deal is - don't follow the news much - but either way, I hate this storyline. It's not even in Triple H being the top guy in it - rather him than Punk - but just in how they're making everybody in the damn company look like idiots, while they're having him dismiss legitimate grievances. Mostly from Cody Rhodes, but still.
Also, the, "Fired guys are attacking constantly," thing is just as goddamn annoying as it was with Cena. Yeah, I love Truth and Miz, but that gimmick is always just awful in my view.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Oct 10, 2011 17:24:09 GMT -5
WWE.com drew parallels to the NBA lockout. Which is probably what WWE was primarily intending. And even then that is incredibly stupid for the story they're trying to get across, as the players are universally being seen as in the right. This entire angle is being used to make Vince feel that his way of working with his employees is correct as he comes under fire. If they do this wrong, it can end up very, very badly for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 17:28:56 GMT -5
Don't know much about the lockout thing either, but from what I gleamed from a scan of the page on Wikipedia pro-athletes are paid way, way too much. Don't see how it relates.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 17:39:14 GMT -5
Don't know much about the lockout thing either, but from what I gleamed from a scan of the page on Wikipedia pro-athletes are paid way, way too much. Don't see how it relates. They get paid a lot because they generate a ridiculous amount of money. They're underpaid if anything. |
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Post by dh03grad on Oct 10, 2011 17:39:39 GMT -5
Have they tried to explain any sort of reason for Mark Henry to be walking out? He's the biggest offender in all this and seems to enjoy destroying people...but he's claiming unsafe working conditions? He IS the unsafe working conditions and he should be taking full credit for it, saying the real reason for the walkout is everyone's afraid to face him. 250k fine. |
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Post by mrjl on Oct 10, 2011 18:15:18 GMT -5
What is happening is smarks being smarks. The casual fans don't think so far into it. The only way there are political undertones is if you put them there. Uh, right. So, we should judge things by the standards of the people who don't think deeply about them. Great advice. you dig to deep and you can get all kinds of unintentional metaphors. Buffy the Vampire Slayer could become a show about the danger of wearing masks, hiding your true self, because only Xander stayed true to the person he was at the beginning of the show and his suffering was comparatively minor compared to Buffy and Willow who embraced the roles they were expected to play as the Slayer and a witch. |
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Post by jadison on Oct 10, 2011 18:22:23 GMT -5
To me, it's not about Miz and Truth, or Mark Henry, or even the WWE Championship fiasco. The problem is that this all happened under someone who was one of them only months before. By the time of the turmoil of the Attitude era, whether it be the Ministry abductions or Austin getting hit by a car, the Mr. McMahon they know had been the man in charge for almost 20 years. The WWE Championship fiasco happened in Hunter's second week. If it's true what they say about first impressions, I'd rather put my faith in the guy that took down WCW than the guy who can't keep a couple of nuts out of the building during a Pay-Per-View. When you look at it like that, can you blame the WWE roster if they literally have no confidence in him?  Its not because of what's going on. Its because of Triple H and his overall suckiness at everything. No one trusts him. |
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Post by mrjl on Oct 10, 2011 18:23:51 GMT -5
Don't know much about the lockout thing either, but from what I gleamed from a scan of the page on Wikipedia pro-athletes are paid way, way too much. Don't see how it relates. They get paid a lot because they generate a ridiculous amount of money. They're underpaid if anything. the NBA really doesn't compare to the NFL and baseball, several(according to the NBA most) teams are int he red and they seem to pay out salaries to 12 to 15 men comparable to the salaries of 53 and 25 men for NFL and MLB |
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