What could happen on Raw to make all ok?

[jadison]

The amount of negativity in the IWC (and its a real thing, not a derogatory term) today blows my mind, for lack of a better term. What I saw last night as a very solid group of talent putting on fun wrestling matches, coupled with some awesome story telling and an edge of your seat, unpredictable main event.

When I read critiques of the show, no one even mentions the action, just that the person that "shouldn't" have won, won. I feel like lots of wrestling fans simply cannot enjoy a show unless how they would book it comes to fruition, or if their favorite wrestlers win, no matter how good the action is. If Punk had beaten Triple H, and Del Rio had kept the title, or if Mark Henry wouldn't have won (because he's a "fat slob" they should push younger talent etc. etc.) would that make everything better?

What could they do on Raw tonight to make you guys happy?

[MrBRulzOK]

Nothing. You simply can't make everyone happy no matter what you do.

That said I just thought alot of the booking last night left alot to be desired. Good wrestling is fine and all, but it doesn't mean as much when the ending doesn't work.

Honestly all I want is logical booking, pushes that don't stop and start every week or even on Smackdown in some cases, wrestlers actually getting to show some personality aside from the main ones, announcers being announcers and actually putting over the talent, matches, and storylines, J.R. actually being allowed to be J.R., and most importantly patience. And really I'd be happy with just one or two of those.

[hossfan]

Mark Henry vs. Hugh Jackman's robot boxing buddy from "Real Steel".

[Turd Ferguson]

RAW is replaced with a show that somehow pops a n64 controller out into your lap, and an updated version of No Mercy with every wrestler ever is played for two hours.

[-Lithium-]

*Fade In*

HHH, Nash, Cena, ADR, Ace, Vince: Jay Kay.

*RAW Theme*

[joebob27]

I tried the flipside of this yesterday but it got thrown into the pit that is the post PPV thread.

People actually *liked* the booking of the show. WHY? Why was it good? How would you use these good results to branch out further and create a logical storyline that sells?

Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but for some reason when people say something is bad, the burden of proof is on them. But when someone says something is good, they don't have to back it up.

So in that vein, how was the booking of any of the last three matches good? Again, I expect silence.

[joebob27]

You see the thing is that they don't present themselves as a shoot product. So the action plays second fiddle to the story. Actionwise, you can get good action anywhere once you get past a certain level, as long as the schmozz factor is kept to a minimum (which is TNA's major malfunction).

The WWE prides itself on telling a story, or so they say.... so in that sense, the eye candy (the action) takes a backseat to the story. Without the story, it doesn't have alot of value.

[rnrk supports BLM]

Nash jackknifes Wolverine

[mrjl]

Sept 19, 2011 15:37:09 GMT -5 MrBRulzOK said:

Nothing. You simply can't make everyone happy no matter what you do.

That said I just thought alot of the booking last night left alot to be desired. Good wrestling is fine and all, but it doesn't mean as much when the ending doesn't work.

Honestly all I want is logical booking, pushes that don't stop and start every week or even on Smackdown in some cases, wrestlers actually getting to show some personality aside from the main ones, announcers being announcers and actually putting over the talent, matches, and storylines, J.R. actually being allowed to be J.R., and most importantly patience. And really I'd be happy with just one or two of those.

here's my problem. You don't think it's logical that people attack those who inslt them, who they feel are holding them down should fight each other?

[Big L]

Sept 19, 2011 15:37:09 GMT -5 MrBRulzOK said:

Nothing. You simply can't make everyone happy no matter what you do.

That said I just thought alot of the booking last night left alot to be desired. Good wrestling is fine and all, but it doesn't mean as much when the ending doesn't work.

Honestly all I want is logical booking, pushes that don't stop and start every week or even on Smackdown in some cases, wrestlers actually getting to show some personality aside from the main ones, announcers being announcers and actually putting over the talent, matches, and storylines, J.R. actually being allowed to be J.R., and most importantly patience. And really I'd be happy with just one or two of those.

Agreed! Even though I didn't see NOC but still

[FUNK_US/BRODUS]

If they pulled a TNA and spent almost the entire show explaining exactly what happened, Id actually be ok with it. Because I feel 2 hours may just be enough to explain every backstory in that clusterf*** of a main event.

[celticjobber]

Sept 19, 2011 15:23:22 GMT -5 @jadison said:

When I read critiques of the show, no one even mentions the action, just that the person that "shouldn't" have won, won. I feel like lots of wrestling fans simply cannot enjoy a show unless how they would book it comes to fruition, or if their favorite wrestlers win, no matter how good the action is. If Punk had beaten Triple H

I had no problem with Hunter pinning Punk (because with the stip that Trips had to resign as COO, he almost had to win). It's the convoluted Russo-esque way that they got to that point that I hated.

IMO, everything would've been better if Trips had turned heel and beaten Punk with an assist from Nash.

And I really don't give a damn about Cena winning the title from Del Rio. The title is hotshotted around so much anyway. And my guess is that Alberto will regain the title at HiAC or the Raw in Mexico.

[Kevin Hamilton]

Honestly, it's all ok now. Everything in 'rasslin is temporary, so eventually a titleholder, storyline, etc will change ( cue the status quo posts I guess, eh, I still say it's episodic enough that nothing ya dislike is permanent.)

Then again, to me it's a tv show that I usually enjoy, when there's an episode I don't, eh. I'm in my thirties though, so getting angry in any real way about a show where dudes and ladies pretend to fight just ain't something I can really muster to be honest.

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

The thing about the Night of Champions main event is that the interference was structured in a way that NONE of the interfering parties had a direct effect on the outcome of the match, so Awesome Truth, Super Ace, and Nash all looked completely stupid. Yet, there was so much interference that it looked like HHH just happened to be lucky enough to be able to hit his finisher first. Therefore, nothing was really settled in the feud between Punk and Hunter, and everyone involved looked like complete jokes.

The only thing the main event accomplished was being a $60 infomercial for Punk vs. HHH II inside Hell in a Cell, which is bulls***.

As for what could happen on RAW, maybe HHH could make an offer for six months free for the upcoming WWE network.

[angryfan]

I find myself somewhat agreeing with Slim, but I still have that "the hell is THIS?" feeling from time to time. RAW, and WWE in general, has gone from must see starting when I was 5 until a few years ago. THen, it became "I enjoy many of the performers, and can overlook most of the stupidity, or at least laugh at it". THen, it just changed. THe Punk storyline struck me as "different" enough to warrant pulling me back in, but with the reservation of "as long as it doesn't go the way I think, it will keep my interest". Thus far, sadly, everything since Vince was replaced by Trips hasn't had any of that "wow, this is different" feeling that pulled me back. It became what drove me away, that "everything follows this pattern, and you're not the audience anymore".

I still love wrestling, always have and always will, but the quick push of the reset button that they tend to go for now just isn't for me. I see them bringing in new "creative team" members, and part of me hopes that this will lead to an influx of new ideas, new plot twists or directions that haven't been done over and over again, but it just doesn't happen.

I love a lot of the talent, respect the hell of them, but the direction of "safe is best" that leads to nothing just isn't for me. As a guy who was a loyal customer for decades, and who literally bought every PPV they had for a six year period, it is a bit sad. Most companies wouldn't try to jettison loyal customers like WWE does, but on the positive side it saves me money.

[Hit Girl]

Jack Tunney returns.

Someone says "I thought you were dead???"

Tunney says "I was!!!"

[primetime110]

Have Mark Henry come out and destroy Cena and saying the WHT isn't enough for him. He wants the WWE title as well. And please less HHH - punk mic time. The wife jokes are played out.

[chazraps]

Triple H and Nash leave TV until at least Mania and Punk becomes the focal point as the company runs with him doing what he does best as a person people can cheer for.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Nothing. They start over from scrap.

[Kevin Hamilton]

Sept 19, 2011 17:04:20 GMT -5 angryfan said:

I find myself somewhat agreeing with Slim, but I still have that "the hell is THIS?" feeling from time to time. RAW, and WWE in general, has gone from must see starting when I was 5 until a few years ago. THen, it became "I enjoy many of the performers, and can overlook most of the stupidity, or at least laugh at it". THen, it just changed. THe Punk storyline struck me as "different" enough to warrant pulling me back in, but with the reservation of "as long as it doesn't go the way I think, it will keep my interest". Thus far, sadly, everything since Vince was replaced by Trips hasn't had any of that "wow, this is different" feeling that pulled me back. It became what drove me away, that "everything follows this pattern, and you're not the audience anymore".

I still love wrestling, always have and always will, but the quick push of the reset button that they tend to go for now just isn't for me. I see them bringing in new "creative team" members, and part of me hopes that this will lead to an influx of new ideas, new plot twists or directions that haven't been done over and over again, but it just doesn't happen.

I love a lot of the talent, respect the hell of them, but the direction of "safe is best" that leads to nothing just isn't for me. As a guy who was a loyal customer for decades, and who literally bought every PPV they had for a six year period, it is a bit sad. Most companies wouldn't try to jettison loyal customers like WWE does, but on the positive side it saves me money.

I can see that. I'll admit for a LOT of the time over the last few years, it's background noise while I do something else; but even then, I can't get upset about it.