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Post by Starshine on Dec 26, 2012 0:45:14 GMT -5
He's playing second fiddle because he's injured. Or what, do expect the show to revolve around CM Punk coming out on crutches and trying to get cheap heat from the fans? When CM Punk wasn't on television, everyone should've been asking "Where's CM Punk?" I blame Kevin Dunn. Also Punk needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Dec 26, 2012 3:28:36 GMT -5
400+ days as champion,The longest reign in the modern era, One of if not thee best guy on the mic and in ring, The guy who know takes command of the show whenever he shows up, sans the injury, stills plays second fiddle to the cena/AJ storyline. Something is horribly horribly wrong with that. He's playing second fiddle because he's injured. Or what, do expect the show to revolve around CM Punk coming out on crutches and trying to get cheap heat from the fans? I said sans injury because AJ/Cena: was going on before his injury
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Dec 26, 2012 3:30:11 GMT -5
I read the last ten pages, typical Punk thread then? I'll see myself out. Yep, he's a worthless no body who should leave wrestling forever because he wrestled on the indies once and therefore should not be allowed to have fame,success or fans.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 26, 2012 3:46:29 GMT -5
He's playing second fiddle because he's injured. Or what, do expect the show to revolve around CM Punk coming out on crutches and trying to get cheap heat from the fans? I said sans injury because AJ/Cena: was going on before his injury And how did AJ/Cena seem more important than Punk? After Raw 1000 he's gotten to main event most Raws and PPV's, he gets more mic time than anyone else on the roster, he has the longest WWE title reign in the modern era, and gets a huge match with Rock at the Royal Rumble. Really, I'm one of the biggest Punk fans, but some people just sound ridiculous when talking about what he should be entitled to. It's like some of his fans won't be happy unless they turn Raw into the CM Punk show.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 26, 2012 3:52:31 GMT -5
400+ days as champion,The longest reign in the modern era, One of if not thee best guy on the mic and in ring, The guy who know takes command of the show whenever he shows up, sans the injury, stills plays second fiddle to the cena/AJ storyline. Something is horribly horribly wrong with that. In the early part of Punk's reign, I agree that CM Punk was playing second fiddle. But once the Cena/AJ storyline started, Punk was back in the forefront. Cena & AJ never closed an episode of RAW during the "scandal" portion of the storyline. They were even was relegated to the preshow at one point, a spot normally given to guys like Team Airstrike, Zack Ryder or David Otunga. And Cena vs. Ziggler would've never main evented TLC had Punk not been injured.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 26, 2012 6:12:18 GMT -5
I said sans injury because AJ/Cena: was going on before his injury And how did AJ/Cena seem more important than Punk? After Raw 1000 he's gotten to main event most Raws and PPV's, he gets more mic time than anyone else on the roster, he has the longest WWE title reign in the modern era, and gets a huge match with Rock at the Royal Rumble. Really, I'm one of the biggest Punk fans, but some people just sound ridiculous when talking about what he should be entitled to. It's like some of his fans won't be happy unless they turn Raw into the CM Punk show. To me, it's starting to come off now not so much as "Push Punk" as it does "Depush Cena".
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Post by donbot on Dec 26, 2012 11:42:38 GMT -5
CM Punk's current reign is the 110th reign of the WWE championship. To put in perspective how long he has had the belt, the next longest reign with the belt was Hogans which was reign #10. It took 100 title changes to get a championship reign this long. Love how we keep coming up with new stats. Here's another one, if Punk holds the belt past May 15th 2013, it will be the longest WWE title reign held by a heel(his heel turn started on July 23, 2012).
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Post by bob on Dec 26, 2012 13:56:18 GMT -5
400+ days as champion,The longest reign in the modern era, One of if not thee best guy on the mic and in ring, The guy who know takes command of the show whenever he shows up, sans the injury, stills plays second fiddle to the cena/AJ storyline. Something is horribly horribly wrong with that. I completely agree with this on all points.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Dec 26, 2012 13:59:39 GMT -5
I said sans injury because AJ/Cena: was going on before his injury And how did AJ/Cena seem more important than Punk? After Raw 1000 he's gotten to main event most Raws and PPV's, he gets more mic time than anyone else on the roster, he has the longest WWE title reign in the modern era, and gets a huge match with Rock at the Royal Rumble. Really, I'm one of the biggest Punk fans, but some people just sound ridiculous when talking about what he should be entitled to. It's like some of his fans won't be happy unless they turn Raw into the CM Punk show. And then, when Punk is all over Raw like some people want, they'll complain that there's too much of him during the show.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 26, 2012 14:00:25 GMT -5
In the back of mind I keep having this nagging thought that whatever Punk's final count is, WWE will feel the need to have Cena beat it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2012 16:57:32 GMT -5
So here's an up to date look at all of CM Punk's WWE PPV Title Defenses
TLC: vs. Miz and Del Rio Royal Rumble: vs. Ziggler Elimination Chamber: vs. R-Truth/Kingston/Miz/Jericho/Ziggler Wrestlemania 28: vs. Jericho Extreme Rules vs. Jericho Over The Limit vs. Bryan No Way Out vs. Bryan and Kane Money In The Bank: Bryan Summerslam vs. Big Show and Cena Night of Champions: vs. Cena Hell in a Cell: vs. Ryback Survivor Series vs. Ryback and Cena TLC: N/A
Too bad we didn't get an Orton, Mysterio or Sheamus feud of out Punk's reign. Hell, even a Kingston feud would've been something fresh.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 27, 2012 17:07:39 GMT -5
Orton and Mysterio spent much of the year injured or suspended for wellness. And Sheamus was being built up as the face of Smackdown, so it wouldn't make sense for him to get into an extended feud with Punk. A feud with Kofi could have been good though.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 27, 2012 17:37:08 GMT -5
I find the psychological makeup of (extreme) Punk hate very interesting and telling. People often seem to hate the Punk character, if only for everything he represents: the big mouth, the not giving a shit attitude, the vast (and perceived undeserving) ego, the smarminess. Dude's basically wrestling's version of Judd Nelson in Breakfast Club. And certain people seem to detest that intelligent slacker motif (or anyone who relates to it) who hates on what everyone (often blindly) loves or doesn't question. I often wonder if it conjures up memories of their own nerdy teenage years, judging and hating a dude like Punk who clearly, while also a misfit, didn't give a shit, and even mocked the system they so desperately wanted to be a part of. I know for some, they just "don't like" things, or even get tired of them, or perhaps the hatred comes from being tired of being told how "great" something is. BUT, some of the responses to Punk expose an obvious mindset. Words are telling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 17:10:26 GMT -5
I'm starting to feel like this run is coming to an end and it's too bad. Anyone else who likes this, should saviour the moment.
I seriously feel like this is Punk's last World Title run of any kind in WWE.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Dec 29, 2012 0:51:15 GMT -5
I find the psychological makeup of (extreme) Punk hate very interesting and telling. People often seem to hate the Punk character, if only for everything he represents: the big mouth, the not giving a s*** attitude, the vast (and perceived undeserving) ego, the smarminess. Dude's basically wrestling's version of Judd Nelson in Breakfast Club. And certain people seem to detest that intelligent slacker motif (or anyone who relates to it) who hates on what everyone (often blindly) loves or doesn't question. I often wonder if it conjures up memories of their own nerdy teenage years, judging and hating a dude like Punk who clearly, while also a misfit, didn't give a s***, and even mocked the system they so desperately wanted to be a part of. I know for some, they just "don't like" things, or even get tired of them, or perhaps the hatred comes from being tired of being told how "great" something is. BUT, some of the responses to Punk expose an obvious mindset. Words are telling. I've been in and out of the Internet Wrestling Community more or less since high school. I've been a member of this board in particular two years next month. And this is the first time I've ever heard someone psychoanalyze someone's dislike of a professional wrestler. I mean, if you hate John Cena, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. If you hate Dolph Ziggler, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. If you hate Daniel Bryan, or the Miz, or Kofi Kingston, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But if you hate CM Punk, then it is indicative of something far more sinister. It couldn't possibly be that you find him stale, or dislike his booking, or dislike who he is as a person, or you just don't see the big deal, no, it couldn't possibly be HIM. The problem obviously must lie with YOU. It's because you hate Independent wrestlers. Or you're some milquetoast beta-male. Or you have some underlying psychological issues from your childhood. Some Freudian aberration. This is why the Punk Paradox exists. This is any thread remotely negative about CM Punk is considered "flame-baiting". This is why CM Punk is seen as the IWC's baby; because he's the single most protected person on the message boards. CM Punk isn't Judd Nelson in the Breakfast Club. He's the band you "don't get", the movie that's "too deep for you", the TV show that's "too complex for you", the comedian that's "too smart for you", all rolled into one. He's the embodiment of every elitist fanbase that says that if you don't like this certain thing, it couldn't possibly be that band or that comedian, it has to be you. I used to think Cult of Personality was just a theme song for Punk, but it turns out, it may be deeper than that.
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Post by Spider2024 on Jan 1, 2013 2:55:04 GMT -5
CM Punk is the first WWE superstar since 1987 to hold a world title for an entire actual year. First since Hulk Hogan did it for the entirety of 1985, '86 and '87.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Jan 1, 2013 4:12:07 GMT -5
Um, finally took the time to read through most of this thread. Kind of shocked at it. I mean, for part of the run, yes he was definitely still playing second fiddle, and despite being champ he wasn't the top star. But since turning heel (and I'll be honest, I hated the way he was turned) he has definitely became much more of a focal point. A lot of feuds/characters are entirely based around Punk. I mean Brad Maddox/The Shield's biggest questions are Is Punk working with them? But honestly, in my eyes (as a Punk fan) I have a simple view: I enjoy CM Punk as a wrestler. I don't 100% enjoy his booking, and if I did I know there would be others who wouldn't. Either way, the man has held the title for well over a year, unheard of in today's era. Whether they screw up or not, the WWE is definitely putting a lot of faith in Punk and they definitely value him. I enjoy when I see him on my tv, and after expecting him to lose the title much earlier for a Rock/Cena Rumble angle, I'm more than happy with his run. When its done, its done. In time, it'll be more clear the effects of each part, what worked, what didn't, whether it was too long, and what the WWE did with Punk post-reign. Obviously some people want to debate that now, and that's fine. But for now personally, I'm going to sit here and enjoy the ride. If you're not a Punk fan, there is still a ton of other wrestlers and other feuds going on to enjoy. And eventually, he won't be champ. If you're a Punk fan, the dude has the longest reign in the WWE era and shattered all sorts of records. Times are good.
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Post by Corporate H on Jan 1, 2013 4:30:45 GMT -5
It's funny to look at this thread and imagine what people here would say five years ago..the IWC is so hard to please, it's no wonder the WWE mostly ignores us.
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Post by Optimax on Jan 1, 2013 5:09:35 GMT -5
It's funny to look at this thread and imagine what people here would say five years ago..the IWC is so hard to please, it's no wonder the WWE mostly ignores us. and for the small period we got what "we" (I don't really like generalising this much) wanted; punk face WWE champ, Bryan face WHC, Ryder US Champ, Cody IC Champ, Beth Diva's Champ and Air Boom Tag Champs the ratings dropped (markedly). So it's hard to argue with their why listen to the marks when they don't know what they want view.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 1, 2013 6:19:46 GMT -5
It's funny to look at this thread and imagine what people here would say five years ago..the IWC is so hard to please, it's no wonder the WWE mostly ignores us. and for the small period we got what "we" (I don't really like generalising this much) wanted; punk face WWE champ, Bryan face WHC, Ryder US Champ, Cody IC Champ, Beth Diva's Champ and Air Boom Tag Champs the ratings dropped (markedly). So it's hard to argue with their why listen to the marks when they don't know what they want view. I don't envy WWE one bit here. I've never seen such a massive disconnect between what live crowds, TV audiences and internet-based fans want as there appears to be right now.
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