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Post by RKTaker on Apr 8, 2012 20:36:40 GMT -5
Games in April mean just as much in the standings as games in September. This isn't college football. games don't matter in the standings in september did you see last year in september
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Post by BillyMax on Apr 8, 2012 20:41:50 GMT -5
Games in April mean just as much in the standings as games in September. This isn't college football. games don't matter in the standings in september did you see last year in september My point is if the Yankess finish one game behind Tampa it will be because of these past 3 games they lost.
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Post by BRV on Apr 8, 2012 20:57:22 GMT -5
Irrelevant. My point still stands: April really means jack s*** in the grand scheme of things. Before Boston's September collapse, they were in a really good place despite starting off horribly. I'm not disputing your point that a season can or cannot be decided in the month of April. There are plenty of teams who have gotten off to atrocious starts and managed to advance to the playoffs. Conversely, there are a handful of teams that came out of the gates on fire and missed the postseason altogether. What I was getting at with my "Titanic" comment was that when you said, "If that bad September doesn't happen, then they're in the playoffs," it was as if we're supposed to glean over the fact that the Red Sox folded like a cheap piece of lawn furniture in the month of September, as if championships are handed out for the teams with the best four-month stretch in baseball. They were in a great place (in the standings) on September 1, but a lot of the wounds that occurred over the next 27 games were entirely self-inflicted. It was not a fluke or dumb luck or serendipity. They had too many lazy, slothful, out-of-shape players who believed that because they had a red-hot four months, they were entitled to waltz into the postseason, and by the time anyone gave them a kick in the ass to wake them up, it was too late or they were just apathetic to respond to any wake-up call. What I was saying with my "Titanic" comment was responding by saying something like, "If it weren't for Super Bowl XLII, the New England Patriots would've gone undefeated."
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Post by The Line on Apr 8, 2012 21:01:38 GMT -5
And without running into that iceberg, the Titanic would've safely docked in New York. Irrelevant. My point still stands: April really means jack s*** in the grand scheme of things. Before Boston's September collapse, they were in a really good place despite starting off horribly. that's going a little too far, in my book The opening series or two for a team doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, typically, because your opening day roster is generally not indicative of the team you'll be fielding all year, both in terms of quality and personnel. Obviously, mid-season transactions can shake a team up, but I'm talking more at the start of the season. A good chunk of pitchers still won't be fully "stretched out" until their 2nd or 3rd start, so the first week is going to see much heavier bullpen use than the rest of the season. As was the case in today's Red Sox game, there's still questions about batting order and bullpen positioning and whatnot (not that that doesn't continue throughout the season, but opening week is full of it). However, by the late-middle early-end of April, the team, if they have a shot, should start be looking like it, or at least only be a few pieces away. To write off a whole month of baseball as unimportant with the hopes of catching fire sometime in May-September is dangerous. Obviously, history has proven that teams can stumble out of the gate and do well, but it's still dangerous. If anything, April is a great time to pick up some early wins against teams with that exact mindset. What isn't important is to only look at one or two series, especially the opening ones, and attempting to base any long-term projections off of them. It's an incredibly small sample size against a minority of the league(and perhaps even against a team you won't play too often during the rest of the season) and again, is played by a good chunk of guys who will bench warmers, minor leaguers, and/or in new towns come soon. But to just say "eh, f*** April, we'll get them some other month!" is, I feel, only setting yourself up for long-term failure.
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Post by Tyfo on Apr 8, 2012 21:02:25 GMT -5
Dan Shulman, don't you EVER bring up the name Darren Oliver when your in our park.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 8, 2012 21:13:21 GMT -5
Irrelevant. My point still stands: April really means jack s*** in the grand scheme of things. Before Boston's September collapse, they were in a really good place despite starting off horribly. that's going a little too far, in my book The opening series or two for a team doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, typically, because your opening day roster is generally not indicative of the team you'll be fielding all year, both in terms of quality and personnel. Obviously, mid-season transactions can shake a team up, but I'm talking more at the start of the season. A good chunk of pitchers still won't be fully "stretched out" until their 2nd or 3rd start, so the first week is going to see much heavier bullpen use than the rest of the season. As was the case in today's Red Sox game, there's still questions about batting order and bullpen positioning and whatnot (not that that doesn't continue throughout the season, but opening week is full of it). However, by the late-middle early-end of April, the team, if they have a shot, should start be looking like it, or at least only be a few pieces away. To write off a whole month of baseball as unimportant with the hopes of catching fire sometime in May-September is dangerous. Obviously, history has proven that teams can stumble out of the gate and do well, but it's still dangerous. If anything, April is a great time to pick up some early wins against teams with that exact mindset. What isn't important is to only look at one or two series, especially the opening ones, and attempting to base any long-term projections off of them. It's an incredibly small sample size against a minority of the league(and perhaps even against a team you won't play too often during the rest of the season) and again, is played by a good chunk of guys who will bench warmers, minor leaguers, and/or in new towns come soon. But to just say "eh, f*** April, we'll get them some other month!" is, I feel, only setting yourself up for long-term failure. I dunno. I've just seen way too many Yankees seasons after 2002 where the Yankees got off to a hellaciously bad start in April only to find a groove and get into the playoffs by September. Of course. not every team is going to be able to catch fire and keep it up like that, but baseball is such a long season with a ton of games that getting off to a bad start isn't as punishing as it is in other leagues.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Apr 8, 2012 21:14:28 GMT -5
that's going a little too far, in my book The opening series or two for a team doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, typically, because your opening day roster is generally not indicative of the team you'll be fielding all year, both in terms of quality and personnel. Obviously, mid-season transactions can shake a team up, but I'm talking more at the start of the season. A good chunk of pitchers still won't be fully "stretched out" until their 2nd or 3rd start, so the first week is going to see much heavier bullpen use than the rest of the season. As was the case in today's Red Sox game, there's still questions about batting order and bullpen positioning and whatnot (not that that doesn't continue throughout the season, but opening week is full of it). However, by the late-middle early-end of April, the team, if they have a shot, should start be looking like it, or at least only be a few pieces away. To write off a whole month of baseball as unimportant with the hopes of catching fire sometime in May-September is dangerous. Obviously, history has proven that teams can stumble out of the gate and do well, but it's still dangerous. If anything, April is a great time to pick up some early wins against teams with that exact mindset. What isn't important is to only look at one or two series, especially the opening ones, and attempting to base any long-term projections off of them. It's an incredibly small sample size against a minority of the league(and perhaps even against a team you won't play too often during the rest of the season) and again, is played by a good chunk of guys who will bench warmers, minor leaguers, and/or in new towns come soon. But to just say "eh, f*** April, we'll get them some other month!" is, I feel, only setting yourself up for long-term failure. I dunno. I've just seen way too many Yankees seasons after 2002 where the Yankees got off to a hellaciously bad start in April only to find a groove and get into the playoffs by September. Of course. not every team is going to be able to catch fire and keep it up like that, but baseball is such a long season with a ton of games that getting off to a bad start isn't as punishing as it is in other leagues. In fact the last time the Yankees started 0-3 was 1998...I would say that year turned out ok for them
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Apr 8, 2012 21:15:27 GMT -5
From this angle, Marlins Park looks like 2 clams humping each other.
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Post by The Line on Apr 8, 2012 21:45:55 GMT -5
that's going a little too far, in my book The opening series or two for a team doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, typically, because your opening day roster is generally not indicative of the team you'll be fielding all year, both in terms of quality and personnel. Obviously, mid-season transactions can shake a team up, but I'm talking more at the start of the season. A good chunk of pitchers still won't be fully "stretched out" until their 2nd or 3rd start, so the first week is going to see much heavier bullpen use than the rest of the season. As was the case in today's Red Sox game, there's still questions about batting order and bullpen positioning and whatnot (not that that doesn't continue throughout the season, but opening week is full of it). However, by the late-middle early-end of April, the team, if they have a shot, should start be looking like it, or at least only be a few pieces away. To write off a whole month of baseball as unimportant with the hopes of catching fire sometime in May-September is dangerous. Obviously, history has proven that teams can stumble out of the gate and do well, but it's still dangerous. If anything, April is a great time to pick up some early wins against teams with that exact mindset. What isn't important is to only look at one or two series, especially the opening ones, and attempting to base any long-term projections off of them. It's an incredibly small sample size against a minority of the league(and perhaps even against a team you won't play too often during the rest of the season) and again, is played by a good chunk of guys who will bench warmers, minor leaguers, and/or in new towns come soon. But to just say "eh, f*** April, we'll get them some other month!" is, I feel, only setting yourself up for long-term failure. I dunno. I've just seen way too many Yankees seasons after 2002 where the Yankees got off to a hellaciously bad start in April only to find a groove and get into the playoffs by September. Of course. not every team is going to be able to catch fire and keep it up like that, but baseball is such a long season with a ton of games that getting off to a bad start isn't as punishing as it is in other leagues. True, but my main argument is to more if it's ok or not to write off an entire month 3 games into it. Of course on September 28th when you're 16 games ahead in 1st place and you were 10-14 in April, you can make the argument that April obviously wasn't your month. But to go into a month with the attitude that it's results are essentially worthless before the 2nd series even starts is a great way to find yourselves 10 games back come May Day
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Apr 8, 2012 22:04:45 GMT -5
From this angle, Marlins Park looks like 2 clams humping each other. Or a space-age toilet.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Apr 8, 2012 22:40:03 GMT -5
Question for BRV:
Let's say Boston still makes the playoffs last September, but limps in (i.e. if they win 1 more game and the Rays lose 1 more game) and lose to Texas.
How would the Red Sox have cleaned house, if at all, had they made it to October and are brushed by the Rangers in 3/4 games?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2012 22:46:06 GMT -5
From this angle, Marlins Park looks like 2 clams humping each other. Back: Marlins Front: Florida taxpayers
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 8, 2012 22:54:44 GMT -5
From this angle, Marlins Park looks like 2 clams humping each other. Thanks. Now my mind may be permanently conditioned to nickname the park "The Clamhump".
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 9, 2012 0:04:21 GMT -5
MONDAY Marlins (Anibal Sanchez) at Phillies (Cole Hamels), 1:00 PM/10:00 AM, MLBN Angels (C.J. Wilson) at Twins (Nick Blackburn), 4:00/1:00 PM, MLBN Brewers (Shaun Marcum) at Cubs (Chris Volstad), 7:00/4:00 PM, ESPN
TUESDAY Pirates (Kevin Correia) at Dodgers (Clayton Kershaw), 4:00/1:00 PM,MLBN Cardinals (Kyle Lohse) at Reds (Mike Leake), 7:00/4:00 PM, MLBN Royals (Danny Duffy) at Athletics (Graham Godfrey), 10:00/7:00 PM, MLBN
WEDNESDAY Red Sox (Jon Lester) at Blue Jays (Ricky Romero), 12:30 PM/9:30 AM, MLBN Marlins (Josh Johnson) at Phillies (Roy Halladay), 7:00/4:00 PM, ESPN2
THURSDAY Reds (Mat Latos) at Nationals (Gio Gonzalez), 1:00 PM/10:00 AM, MLBN Marlins (Mark Buehrle) at Phillies (Joe Blanton), 7:00/4:00 PM, MLBN
FRIDAY Cubs (Jeff Smaradzija) at Cardinals (Adam Wainwright), 3:00 PM/Noon, MLBN Brewers (Randy Wolf) at Braves (Jair Jurrjens), 7:30/4:30 PM, MLBN
SATURDAY Angels (C.J. Wilson) at Yankees (Phil Hughes), 4:00/1:00 PM, FOX Cubs (Chris Volstad) at Cardinals (Lance Lynn), 4:00/1:00 PM, FOX Rangers (Yu Darvish) at Twins (Nick Blackburn), 4:00/1:00 PM, FOX Diamondbacks (Josh Collmenter) at Rockies (Jhoulys Chacin), 8:00/5:00 PM, MLBN
SUNDAY Rays (Matt Moore) at Red Sox (Felix Doubront), 1:30 PM/10:30 AM, TBS Angels (TBD) at Yankees (Ivan Nova), 8:00/5:00 PM, ESPN
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 9, 2012 0:07:41 GMT -5
I'm liking how Carlos Beltran has played for us thus far. I just hope we can get a few people on base before he hits those home runs.
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Post by mysterydriver on Apr 9, 2012 0:19:01 GMT -5
I enjoy that the Pirates have won their last two games because The Phillies seem to value "saves" more than "wins." Keep your closer on the bench as long as you want, guys.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Apr 9, 2012 0:20:41 GMT -5
The way Jeff Samardzija pitched for the Cubs today, that Friday Cards/Cubs game against Wainwright could be a great matchup.
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Post by RKTaker on Apr 9, 2012 7:21:00 GMT -5
mets have their first night game tonight against the nats not looking foward to pelfrey pitching however
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Apr 9, 2012 11:34:15 GMT -5
I enjoy that the Pirates have won their last two games because The Phillies seem to value "saves" more than "wins." Keep your closer on the bench as long as you want, guys. I'm just happy the series over at that park is over nice and early. Phils have historically SUCKED in Pittsburgh for a while now, so to me I'm just glad it is done now as opposed to the middle/end of the season.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Apr 9, 2012 13:11:37 GMT -5
To the Braves fans (if there are any) on the board: How do you feel after the first three games of the season? Obviously there's not a ton to be optimistic about. If this season is as bad as it looks like it was going to be, I wonder how much longer Fredi Gonzalez will be allowed to stick around.
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