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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Sept 8, 2012 14:26:44 GMT -5
Yeah good episode though as usual it's offset by Amy being annoying.
"I'm easily the equal of two men."
PISS! OFF!
Thankfully she was relegated to the background for the most part.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Sept 8, 2012 14:35:20 GMT -5
Enjoyed the whole episdoe, liked the banter and the plot was good. I'm looking forward to next weeks as I like westerns
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Post by WarChief on Sept 8, 2012 14:51:00 GMT -5
I'm kind of over Amy now. I'm not looking forward to her and Rory bickering for the next three weeks, because you know it's coming.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Sept 8, 2012 15:04:08 GMT -5
didnt see most of the episode thanks to random interuptions, but did catch the nod to 2001: space odyssey when the robots were turned off/killed (singing daisy as they power down.)
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Sept 8, 2012 15:18:32 GMT -5
very fun episode, great co stars, nice pacing ..... {Spoiler}and soloman getting everything he deserves the blaggard!!!
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Post by Bobeddy on Sept 8, 2012 15:23:46 GMT -5
didnt see most of the episode thanks to random interuptions, but did catch the nod to 2001: space odyssey when the robots were turned off/killed (singing daisy as they power down.) And Rory's dad calling The Doctor Arthur C. Clarke.
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Post by B'Cup x on Sept 8, 2012 16:20:35 GMT -5
Didnt really like the episode, it had the same issue as Asylum in that it introduce many cool concepts without expanding on them at all as well as several other issues. The innuendo got tedious and the 'balls' joke was something I would expect from an Adam Sandler movie. The Woman are equals message was soo heavy handed that it distracted from the story and the romance between the two new companions was so obvious that me and my girlfriend called it right at the start. I think that may actually be the main issue I had, everything was just too obvious. I didnt have much faith in the episode after hearing the snakes on a plane title and the Mitchell and Webb Robots were as bad as the Bill Bailey cameo from the christmas special. This is also the first time that Amy has actually annoyed me in that she knew how to do EVERYTHING and was totally infallible that it felt she was being written as a parody!
as stated the episode had some great ideas, and I loved the scene with Rorys dad eating his pack lunch, but the execuetion was just a bit naff x
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 8, 2012 17:28:08 GMT -5
Well that was enjoyable episode and Solomon was a great villain but I haven't chipped in to the general Amy/writer talk so now seems as good a time as any.
It's a shame they missed an opportunity with Amy, most of her family and past being wiped out by the cracks in time would have messed anybody up and should have explained her character's more negative traits. In particular she'd have to push people away and be self-confident as her life made no sense, plus without her parents being around the Doctor played the biggest part in shaping her personality.
Anyway once the cracks were sealed and things returned to normal there could have been some interesting character growth from somebody with two sets of memories from two similar but very different lives but it was never touched upon.
Makes you wonder just how that childhood worked, hell without her her parent's ever existing should she have been alive at all (that may have been explained)?
I think that also sums up series since Stephen Moffat took over, as enjoyable as things can be at the time there's a nagging feeling that it doesn't quite make sense when all put together. For instance I have no idea how the Doctor making people think he's dead is going to make sense with future regenerations, but as that's a long-term arc I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
Of course I'm not sure it's possible to write a series like Dr Who over a long period without running into continuity and logic issues.
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Post by Burst on Sept 8, 2012 17:47:14 GMT -5
Without having seen the episode yet but just going off of people's reactions yet again, I really have to wonder if they're intentionally playing up Amy's negative traits, especially considering the Moff's rep for trolling the fanbase. I wonder where it could be going, though...
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Sept 8, 2012 21:05:20 GMT -5
This episode showed me why I love Matt Smith, he was on FIRE this episode. Yeah the plot was predictable, but hell it was enjoyable all the same. Solomon was great, as was Rory's dad. The highlight for me was The Doctor kissing Rory, not sure why but it was just plain hilarious.
Western next week...could be great or bad.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 8, 2012 21:10:10 GMT -5
"I will not have companions flirting."
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 8, 2012 21:23:58 GMT -5
Much better episode than last week's, imo. This was the kind of episode Matt Smith's Doctor shines in, for me. I had a blast seeing comedy 11th Doctor in this episode.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 9, 2012 0:47:26 GMT -5
. The highlight for me was The Doctor kissing Rory, not sure why but it was just plain hilarious. Personally, I liked Rory's reaction to it better than the act itself .
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 9, 2012 5:14:47 GMT -5
Without having seen the episode yet but just going off of people's reactions yet again, I really have to wonder if they're intentionally playing up Amy's negative traits, especially considering the Moff's rep for trolling the fanbase. I wonder where it could be going, though... I think she'll do something The Doctor finds reprehensible and he'll realise that he's responsible for shaping who she is and all the bad things in her life from the time cracks, not getting to raise their kid normally and not being able to have any more children. He'll abandon her to the more positive influence of Rory for the remainder of her life, we'll see her waiting in a Jurassic Bark style montage and the Doctor will return either when she's on her death bed or at one of the Pond's funerals.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Sept 9, 2012 13:32:38 GMT -5
Without having seen the episode yet but just going off of people's reactions yet again, I really have to wonder if they're intentionally playing up Amy's negative traits, especially considering the Moff's rep for trolling the fanbase. I wonder where it could be going, though... I think she'll do something The Doctor finds reprehensible and he'll realise that he's responsible for shaping who she is and all the bad things in her life from the time cracks, not getting to raise their kid normally and not being able to have any more children. He'll abandon her to the more positive influence of Rory for the remainder of her life, we'll see her waiting in a Jurassic Bark style montage and the Doctor will return either when she's on her death bed or at one of the Pond's funerals. I dunno. I remember RTD saying that the Doctor and Rose's arrogance in series 2 was deliberatly there to set up a big fall but that never really happened. Besides, her depature supposedly has something to do with the Weeping Angels.
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Post by Burst on Sept 9, 2012 18:30:24 GMT -5
I think she'll do something The Doctor finds reprehensible and he'll realise that he's responsible for shaping who she is and all the bad things in her life from the time cracks, not getting to raise their kid normally and not being able to have any more children. He'll abandon her to the more positive influence of Rory for the remainder of her life, we'll see her waiting in a Jurassic Bark style montage and the Doctor will return either when she's on her death bed or at one of the Pond's funerals. I dunno. I remember RTD saying that the Doctor and Rose's arrogance in series 2 was deliberatly there to set up a big fall but that never really happened. Besides, her depature supposedly has something to do with the Weeping Angels. That was also RTD. I put a lot more stock in Moffat to actually follow through with something like this.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Sept 9, 2012 19:50:42 GMT -5
Much better episode than last week's, imo. This was the kind of episode Matt Smith's Doctor shines in, for me. I had a blast seeing comedy 11th Doctor in this episode. Agreed. Matt Smith doesn't work for me as a serious Doctor. But as a comedy caper Doctor he is fantastic. This episode was great but the shining star was the hunter for me. I enjoyed the first episode but this one was a lot better.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 9, 2012 21:50:03 GMT -5
Yeah, that's been my complaint with Matt Smith. He just doesn't have the face of a serious character for me, I can't take him seriously when he's trying to be dramatic. Wide eyed and whimsical, absolutely, but as far as being dramatic he's definitely the worst of the Doctors since the show came back.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Sept 10, 2012 9:22:29 GMT -5
Yeah, that's been my complaint with Matt Smith. He just doesn't have the face of a serious character for me, I can't take him seriously when he's trying to be dramatic. Wide eyed and whimsical, absolutely, but as far as being dramatic he's definitely the worst of the Doctors since the show came back. I can take your complaint with his acting, which is fair enough. But I, for one, am a fan of his portrayal. I like how it calls-back to the likes of Troughton and T. Baker with its predominant bubbliness that serves to mask the fact he's most often the cleverest man in the room, and by being so, he gets to lower the guard of those who stand against him. I also fancy it as a cool counterpoint to the heavy, tortured nature of Doctors 9 and 10, even though I'm a big fan of their interpretations too. Case in point, the 11th Doctor's summation of the Time War: 'It was a bad day'
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Post by Legion on Sept 10, 2012 9:45:09 GMT -5
Yeah, that's been my complaint with Matt Smith. He just doesn't have the face of a serious character for me, I can't take him seriously when he's trying to be dramatic. Wide eyed and whimsical, absolutely, but as far as being dramatic he's definitely the worst of the Doctors since the show came back. I can take your complaint with his acting, which is fair enough. But I, for one, am a fan of his portrayal. I like how it calls-back to the likes of Troughton and T. Baker with its predominant bubbliness that serves to mask the fact he's most often the cleverest man in the room, and by being so, he gets to lower the guard of those who stand against him. I also fancy it as a cool counterpoint to the heavy, tortured nature of Doctors 9 and 10, even though I'm a big fan of their interpretations too. Case in point, the 11th Doctor's summation of the Time War: 'It was a bad day' Which would be fine if all his stories were bubbly and fun, or as light as his portrayal, or the majority of the stories back in the day that always had a hint of the light and camp around them. A lot of the darker stories we get these days are a lot less camp and played much more as horror stories, with serious drama and actual sadness. He cant really pull that side of things off, but because it seems to be the sort of story Moffat really likes to write, he keeps getting put in those type of stories.....and then because his serious face doesnt work, and because Amy is such a bitch, it seems to fall to Rory, and to some extent, to River Song (who may not be a particularly liked character from all sectors, but I dont think anyone could argue Alex Kingston isnt a great actress) to actually carry that emotion anywhere and drive home the point of the stories. Moff's era is far from a failure, and Smith has definitely grown on me as a Doctor, but his portrayal doesn't actually work that well in Moffat's episodes; his style working much better in the lighter and more adventure driven stories of the staff/guest writers.
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